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That's it shit all over the poorest people and give tax breaks to all his rich pals! Champagne allowance anyone?
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David Cameron bans unders 21s from Housing Benefits and Jobseeker's Allowance
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Nicktendo86
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Pretty sure most do anyway.
Not sure what they are really trying to achieve with this. Will have to wait and see what the proposals are, I think it may be a case of having to 'work' for your benefits which in practice wouldn't be a million miles away from Labour's jobs guarantee I suppose. I dunno.
I don't kmow what the Tories are doing really. Miliband is by some margin the worst leader of a party I've seen and is often personally polled lower than a limbo dancer but the Tories are swinging and missing.
I can see why people want to vote for another party, the mainstream ones are so fucking dire.
Succinct Verbosity
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He'll be losing more than that if he carries on like this.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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You've massively oversimplified the issue. Conveniently, this massive oversimplification is the line the current Government is pushing hard, and one which lots of older Daily Mail readers readily accept as an unquestionable fact.
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One of those E's in that acronym implies higher education. If you're under 21 you maybe just finished a bachelor's degree but the bulk of those people will only have had high school level education at those ages.
Like how? A lot of their policies just seem to keep pissing that group off, the tuition fee increase being the most obvious. Ah death, such an inconvenience for them.
Earning min wage is much more than JSA. It is a million miles away.
EMA I can't say I'm sorry to see the back of. It was massively abused in my experience.
Isn't the problem working for benefits, companies were basically getting free hours of work which could have been a real job?
Not only that but it was really unfair. I knew people better off than me that recieved it, yet since my Dad earnt over a certain amount they just presumed I got a bunch of money from him but all his hard earned money went on bills.
The Cowboy
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Myself, i was getting £71.70 a week on JSA, due to no 1 bedroom houses being available I'm in a 2 bedroom house, as such i had to pay £13.60 a week due to under occupancy fees (bedroom tax), and i had to pay £3.20 a week for Council tax (as now we all have to pay it, even those on benefits).
So once just the basics where paid (the things that you have no choice in paying - bedroom tax, council tax), i was getting £54.90 a week on JSA.
Nicktendo86
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Yup, me and all of my mates who got it took our £30 every Thursday and went direct to the pub with it. Was nothing more than an Labour bribe for youngsters.
One of my friends at school, his Dad would've been on near 6 figures if not on it, yet he still managed to get it as his parents had separated.
Another one that springs to mind is a girl in my year who's family had, at that time, a successful business and she also got it.
There were more besides that but there was too many loopholes that people could skirt through to get the money from it.
That too. It was just spent on what teens like to spend it on. Booze.
Gordon Shumway
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LOL..This, I command!!!
funkystudent
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seems like a good way to push even more voters to UKIP.
It's easy to pick on the young, they make up a smaller percentage of the voters (and an even smaller percentage of Tory voters). They wouldn't dare attack their rich friends/ corporations, and no party would mess with pensioners it would be committing political suicide.
Now this doesn't affect me and it's easy for us to assume that many of those claiming JSA under 21 years of age are leeches, but this will affect many innocent and legitimate claimants and considering how little of a burden this is on the state when compared to the amount of money lost on tax evasion its impossible to justify this.
Have they not finished kicking everyone in social housing out of London yet.
in the last general election 18-24 year olds voted 31% labour, 30% tory, 30% lib dem. basically even.
it's political cowardice. instead of trying to build a wide coalition around a moderate platform based on the growing economy and making an argument that he can do better for young people than other parties, he's running scared of ukip and his backbenchers straight into nasty, divisive garbage.
The Cowboy
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Yes, I can see that happening. I mean the Conservatives are right wing, but if we want to fuck over the poor we need to go righter. Let's all vote UKIP so the younger generation really stand no chance in life.
Conservatives are destroying it, you mean.
Nicktendo86
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By the way, the benefit cap cut from £26k to £23k is meant to pay for three million apprenticeships. Not sure how many families claim that much (I don't think many at all?) but makes sense to spend the money on apprenticeships, will have to read the full proposals...
EdibleExplosives
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#BetterTogether
Blame fear and ignorance. We're good at these things.
industrian
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I love it when they attack people on benefits and mark them as parasites and detriments to society.
Even if those people are gaming the system, what do you expect? The upper echelons of our society is built on gaming the system. Our corporations, celebrities and rich people game the tax system, our MPs game the expenses system, but when lower-class couples follow suit, say "fuck working", pop out 5-6 kids and make a career out of receiving benefits that is the beacon the government lights to indicate that we live in a failed society.
Fuck neoliberalism.
Even if those people are gaming the system, what do you expect? The upper echelons of our society is built on gaming the system. Our corporations, celebrities and rich people game the tax system, our MPs game the expenses system, but when lower-class couples follow suit, say "fuck working", pop out 5-6 kids and make a career out of receiving benefits that is the beacon the government lights to indicate that we live in a failed society.
Fuck neoliberalism.
Masquerader
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Also, blame David Cameron. And Nick Clegg for ruining his party beyond repair. And Ed Miliband for being annoyingly cautious. And Nigel Farage for existing.
I really don't want to vote Labour after what a disaster they were last time, but the scumbag Tories are pushing me as hard as they possibly can to make me do so. Miliband is such a loathsome prick and my original plan was to spoil my ballot, but voting to actively sabotage the Tories even in some minor way is becoming increasingly appealing.
EDIT: And for the record I'm 28, so even if this goes through it won't affect me.
EDIT: And for the record I'm 28, so even if this goes through it won't affect me.
Labour are Tory lite. Already promised to be tougher on benefits than Tories and committed to osbornes economic policy (although Osborne did that pre 08, how much people forget).
The people claiming those sorts of benefits are not causing national debt.
The large corporations dodging hundreds of millions in tax are the problem. Please stop allowing the government and the media blaming the people with nothing causing the problem.
The people getting that sort of money in benefits make it easy for The Mail & co to pretend everyone does.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Oh joy.
Yep. Labour are pretty much right wing, Tories even more so, then UKIP so far right they can't see left anymore.
Yep. Labour are pretty much right wing, Tories even more so, then UKIP so far right they can't see left anymore.
Nicktendo86
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Where did I say that?
I'm saying if these proposals are in the context of expanding apprenticeships rather than dolling out cash, then I think they make sense. You are absolutely right in saying that tax avoidance etc needs to be stamped out but keeping people trapped in benefits rather than offering something more useful is also a problem.
Let's see what the propals actually are rather than looking at the headline and defaulting to the usual Tories = evil conclusion.
Yeah I'd actually want to read something more than a tweet on it and just going by that.
industrian
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Labour were irreversibly corrupted during the Blair/Brown regime.
But that doesn't stop legions of Weegies and inner-city denizens thinking that they're still their grandfather's party of the working classes.
I imagine that 30% of votes for Labour next year will be anti-Tory votes. The Lib Dems are going to be massacred.
But that doesn't stop legions of Weegies and inner-city denizens thinking that they're still their grandfather's party of the working classes.
I imagine that 30% of votes for Labour next year will be anti-Tory votes. The Lib Dems are going to be massacred.
reptilescorpio
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This can't be real can it?
So they are like American Democrats?
industrian
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All three of our main parties are like the Democrats.
UKIP are looking like the Republicans.
And the SNP are the only mainstream centre-left party remaining.
Yes, although democrats are a bit further right than labour if applied to our country.
We cannot let Barlow go down. Send up that fucker with the stupid cheeks Jimmy Carr, he can take it. Some light ribbing on 8 out of 10 cunts and we're clear.
Weegies voted yes
Miles Quaritch
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They've been busy on Uni campuses from what I've gathered. It obviously hasn't worked well with them being confident to stick it to the 18-21 demo.
That high life.
On a more serious note,I had no idea JSA had to pay council tax now. That's a pretty shitty thing to have introduced. Although they have to pay for the council tax freeze from somewhere.
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well the housing benefit cut may stop some of the up and coming 16 year old mums lol
EdibleExplosives
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What a lovely state that our country is in.
industrian
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s_mirage
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Housing and child benefit should be limited but I'm unclear how this particular type of policy would work. It seems to assume that everyone comes from a fairly well off family which will support them staying at home. What happens in cases where people have to leave home at 18 and don't immediately have a job?
That being said, I'll wait to hear what the actual proposals are before rushing to judgement.
That being said, I'll wait to hear what the actual proposals are before rushing to judgement.
industrian
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The English need to get on their bikes and make a new mainstream left/centre-left party.
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