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[adelante]

IT's the same as gamers buying CoD year after year, supporting the lack of innovation and re-release of the same game with minor updates and poor ports to PC...

You support bad practise and bad practise continues.

Nothing ridiculous about not wanting that to happen.

No, it's ridiculous to think that XOne is able to pull off the same amount of zombies, effects at 1080p. Nevermind the devs, given that this is their first game for a new platform. What they've achieved so far is an acceptable balance given the specs AND lack of experience.

Remind me again, how powerful did you think the XOne was?

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Well sure. Higher resolutions are always preferred. But xbox one games are still a huge step above last gen. And I find the ways that people try to deny that incredibly funny.

Seriously, going by what some people have said, Microsoft should have just released a system that plays 360 games in 1080p.

The Xbox One does not exist in a vacuum. You know, there is a nextgen console which is capable of everything you have described in your previous post - but in 1080p. Why can't the more expensive Xbox One do the same?

 

[adelante]

The Xbox One does not exist in a vacuum. You know, there is a nextgen console which is capable of everything you have described in your previous post - but in 1080p. Why can't the more expensive Xbox One do the same?

Funny how brought up XOne not existing in a vacuum and it's price, and conveniently forget what's under the hood of that thing.

 

[daman824]

The Xbox One does not exist in a vacuum. You know, there is a nextgen console which is capable of everything you have described in your previous post - but in 1080p. Why can't the more expensive Xbox One do the same?

Sure and that's great. But when the xbox one plays games that push everything involving graphics leaps and bounds ahead of its predecessor, but runs some of those games at 720p, it's still a huge leap in overall graphical ability.

The best looking game on the xb1 is Ryse running at 900p. And that's a launch game. To argue that someone isn't getting a large graphical leap when they switch from a ps3/360 to the xb1 is a joke.

 

[BigDug13]

Funny how brought up XOne not existing in a vacuum and it's price, and conveniently forget what's under the hood of that thing.

What's under the hood besides underpowered hardware in comparison to their chief competitor? If we're just talking about "under the hood" hardware.

The truth of the matter is that the XBO is plenty next gen and should satisfy gamers at its price...if it didn't have the competition. Honestly Sony peed in Microsoft's Wheaties on this one. Now the XBO is seen as "not good enough" when it certainly would have been if the PS4 wasn't so strong from a spec standpoint. And being priced at $400 leaves gamers scratching their head at the XBO.

 

[adelante]

What's under the hood besides underpowered hardware in comparison to their chief competitor? If we're just talking about "under the hood" hardware.

That's exactly it. Underpowered hardware for the expectations that he previously brought up (resolution standards, not price)

He's asking why can't a 500bux console can't churn out games at 1080p (lets forget that there ARE XOne games that run at that res, shall we?), when he's ignoring the fact that no matter what the console is priced at, the XOne IS a weaker piece of tech.

It's like asking, "why can't a console that's relatively weaker than its competitor churn out the same graphical fidelity huh??" His issue isn't with resolution standards or price alone, it's with the value proposition the XOne is offering to him. And this isn't the thread for it imho.

 

[scitek]

Exactly! If people can't see the improvements maybe they should stick to Candy Crush! Lol

Holy shit, your post history is already astounding.

 

[zoukka]

Fullhd tv still not warranted for some games lulz. Maybe in another decade or two.

 

[BigDug13]

That's exactly it. Underpowered hardware for the expectations that he previously brought up (resolution standards, not price)

He's asking why can't a 500bux console can't churn out games at 1080p (lets forget that there ARE XOne games that run at that res, shall we?), when he's ignoring the fact that no matter what the console is priced at, the XOne IS a weaker piece of tech.

It's like asking, "why can't a console that's relatively weaker than its competitor churn out the same graphical fidelity huh??" His issue isn't with resolution standards or price alone, it's with the value proposition the XOne is offering to him. And this isn't the thread for it imho.

But the question isn't really "why can't this weaker hardware do 1080p?"

The real question that's been plaguing the minds of every Xbox fan is "WTF was Microsoft thinking ruining the tech superiority pedigree of the Xbox name by designing this weaksauce console and letting lowly Sony stomp them into the ground on graphics performance?"

 

[adelante]

But the question isn't really "why can't this weaker hardware do 1080p?"

The real question that's been plaguing the minds of every Xbox fan is "WTF was Microsoft thinking ruining the tech superiority pedigree of the Xbox name by designing this weaksauce console and letting lowly Sony stomp them into the ground on graphics performance?"

Heh I totally agree. And I know if we give Gemüsepizza more attention, he'll eventually GET to that point (res > price > specs > wtf MS). We already have threads for those I believe.

It sucks, but I've accepted the fact that MS screwed up. Given such circumstances, I'm happy with the tradeoff that's being made for games like DR3, which I do find technically impressive compared to games from previous generations.

 

[ZeroAlpha]

But the question isn't really "why can't this weaker hardware do 1080p?"

The real question that's been plaguing the minds of every Xbox fan is "WTF was Microsoft thinking ruining the tech superiority pedigree of the Xbox name by designing this weaksauce console and letting lowly Sony stomp them into the ground on graphics performance?"

Too true. I think that's why some people are taking it so hard honestly, to go from being designed as the best hardware for a console to lets make a mid range system that focuses on other options is a strange strange choice.

 

[Salex_]

Holy shit, your post history is already astounding.

LOL! I just took a look and it seems like he's not hiding his marketing. He's even trying to spread bullshit saying "PS4 isn't even pulling 1080p on many games". Holy shit, just take a look at this

Battlefield confirmed to have same textures, lighting, etc. Plus, PS4 isn't even pulling 1080p on many games. Let's just wait for console release and a cycle or two of games to come out before we raise pitchforks. I'm choosing Xbox One because of NFL integration, UFC, HDMI pass thru, exclusive video content and games, voice control, 300k servers, 100% free dedicated servers for devs, free Project Spark, Fitness, Killer Instinct starter pack, and Rivals Preseason.
I see value in Microsofts vision and trust them to come thru will amazing stuff. Sony is a company on the ropes. It's stock is rated "junk" status, meaning investment firms are not even allowed to gamble on it with certain accounts. Sony does not have the capital to even try to compete with Microsofts strategic partnerships lol, real talk. PS4 launches with 11 apps lol. 11! That's trash. Look at Xbox Ones partnerships with UFC, NFL, Machinima, the smart glass integration, triple OS snap app-ing ecosystem. Throw in 1080p Skype for good measure.
Bottom Line. Sony lacks the capital to beat Microsoft in many key areas including: infrastructure, software, strategic alliances, continued investment, and driver/toolset advancement. Period

 

[iBuzz7S]

Just saw the gameplay...WT F! the graphic SUCKED

Dead Rising was never a game to push console hardware to its limits. Nor was Call of Duty and Battlefield, but apparently they are according to the LOL threads on this forum.

 

[Zakalwe]

It's actually not...........like at all.

Yes it is.

Lack of a certain quality is the key here.

No, it's ridiculous to think that XOne is able to pull off the same amount of zombies, effects at 1080p. Nevermind the devs, given that this is their first game for a new platform. What they've achieved so far is an acceptable balance given the specs AND lack of experience.

Remind me again, how powerful did you think the XOne was?

Then they shouldn't have reached too far too soon.

Gameplay is important, but so is perfomance. Their balance is off.

 

[Sinthor]

Sure and that's great. But when the xbox one plays games that push everything involving graphics leaps and bounds ahead of its predecessor, but runs some of those games at 720p, it's still a huge leap in overall graphical ability.

The best looking game on the xb1 is Ryse running at 900p. And that's a launch game. To argue that someone isn't getting a large graphical leap when they switch from a ps3/360 to the xb1 is a joke.

Well, you're absolutely right here. I haven't seen anyone argue that XB1 games aren't a large leap over the current generation. Hell, COD on the 360 and PS3 wasn't even 720p internal resolution. It was upscaled TO 720p. With the much greater number of effects that can be added as well, even a game that was 720p and not upscaled AT ALL would be a large, noticeable improvement.

Bottom line, I get the comparisons as much as the next guy and yep, the PS4 definitely has the edge in graphics, etc. this time around. But it shouldn't be a big surprise. MS SAID they didn't target high end graphics way back around February. People just didn't listen and that's leading to all the reactions now.

MS is targeting the new XB1 to try and be the next Wii and be the "household machine" with the TV integration, etc. Along with that, it will play great games and have a large visual edge over the previous MS product, the 360. We'll just have to see if their strategy pays off longterm. Short term, people who prefer the XB1 and pick one up will have fun and enjoy a lot of graphically stunning games. I don't think anyone rational is arguing against that. It's all just coming down to the comparisons. People will get it out of their systems for the most part over the next week or so and settle down. Then they'll play what they want and have fun doing it!

 

[Brannon]

LOL! I just took a look and it seems like he's not hiding his marketing. He's even trying to spread bullshit saying "PS4 isn't even pulling 1080p on many games". Holy shit, just take a look at this

Well then. Guess he wants to go with all cylinders burning!

 

[kkraken]

Those entitled gamers, right??? /s

It is MY money, of course I have an opinion of how the stuff I spend money on should look like.[/QUOTE]

I'll never understand this logic. You don't go into a bakery and demand a pizza waving your $10 in the air. At the end of the day Dead Rising 3 is a 360 game that was delayed so they could make it for xbox one. They decided to use the systems resources to push the number of zombies on screen and make the world seamless. Would it have been awesome to see it in 1080p? Hell yeah, but I'll take 1000's of zombies and crazy carnage upscaled if that's what it takes to make the developers vision a reality.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Who are "we"? YOU have your reasons; I just don't agree with your reasoning at all.

Can you at least understand his reasoning?

 

[adelante]

Yes it is.

Lack of a certain quality is the key here.



Then they shouldn't have reached too far too soon.

Gameplay is important, but so is perfomance. Their balance is off.

Yup performance is important. Which is why they struck a balance between a locked 30fps....AND a significant amount of zombies onscreen (forget even doing so in an open world with zero loading in between areas).

I don't get why you think at 1080p they'd be able to render that much, let alone maintain the framerate. They got their balance right, given what's technically possible on the XOne. Hitting 1080p would be the very definition of reaching too far too soon. Keep your expectations in check.