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[SmokyDave]

^Yeah, I know . I had something a bit harsher typed up and then thought better of it. Left a kind of stupid post though.

 

[KAOz]

Shit. It seems to be going down in Russia now.

Tragic that all this happens. =/ Hopefully they get ahold of the terrorist-fucks.

 

[crazy monkey]

Shit is getting tight.

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[RumblingRosco]

I hope Russia blows the shit out of whatever organization did this. Has the organization been identified yet? Chechnya, or some group within it rather, was the last theory I heard.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

I hope Russia blows the shit out of whatever organization did this. Has the organization been identified yet? Chechnya, or some group within it rather, was the last theory I heard.

Knowing Russian intelligence, they're probably working hard on locating and assassinating the terrorists.

Putin just said that the terrorists "will be destroyed" and he's the wrong man to mess with.

 

[Dresden]

Yeah, those guys are so fucked. Guantanamo is nothing compared to what Putin is going to pull on them.

 

[crazy monkey]

I hope Russia blows the shit out of whatever organization did this. Has the organization been identified yet? Chechnya, or some group within it rather, was the last theory I heard.

they already have done it many times before you just don't hear it in news.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

they already have done it many times before you just don't hear it in news.

Yup. FSB is one of the most capable intelligence agencies in the world and Russian military intelligence is top of the class as well.

 

[Discotheque]

Medvedev said:

We will find and destroy them all

Umm....yeah. Guantanamo is nothing compared to what these people will get from Putin and company. I'm just cringing thinking about it.

 

[industrian]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8597792.stm

Chechen rebel claims Metro blasts

Chechen rebel leader Doku Umarov has said his group was behind Monday's double suicide bombings on the Moscow Metro, which left 39 people dead.

In a video message posted on a Chechen rebel website, he said he had personally ordered the attacks.

He said they were carried out to avenge the killings of "poor Chechens" by Russian security forces in February and warned Russia to prepare for more.

The message came as Russia buried the first victims of Monday's attacks.

Russian investigators have said they believe two female suicide bombers were linked to militants in the North Caucasus.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has called on the security forces to "scrape from the sewers" those responsible.

In a separate development, at least 12 people, including a top local police official, were killed by two suicide bombings in Russia's North Caucasus republic of Dagestan.

A car bomb was detonated at about 0830 (0430 GMT) outside the offices of the local interior ministry and the FSB security agency in the town of Kizlyar.

Another bomber then blew himself up 20 minutes later as a crowd gathered.

So far no-one has claimed responsibility for the Dagestan blasts.

Chilling message

It was not possible to confirm independently that the man in the video - posted on a rebel website - was Doku Umarov.

He said the Moscow attacks were an act of revenge for the killings of poor Chechen and Ingush civilians by the Russian security forces near the town of Arshty on 11 February.

He said the civilians were "massacred by Russian occupiers" as they were gathering wild garlic to feed their families.

The rebel, who styles himself as the Emir of the Caucasus Emirate, said attacks on Russian soil would continue.

"The war will come to your street... and you will feel it on your own skins," he warned Russian citizens in the video, which he said was recorded on Monday - just hours after the Metro attacks.

Earlier on Wednesday, Doku Umarov's spokesman had told Reuters that his militant group "did not carry out the attack in Moscow, and we don't know who did it".

Well, if anyone wanted to visit sunny Grozny you've missed your chance.

 

[Walshicus]

Medvedev said:



Umm....yeah. Guantanamo is nothing compared to what these people will get from Putin and company. I'm just cringing thinking about it.

And yet it never really works. Two wars in Chechnya, fighting in Dagestan, bombs in Moscow.

Anyhow, another excuse for that fucker Putin to clamp down on civil liberties.

 

[Discotheque]

Ah that's a shame. Sounds like things are going to escalate very soon.

 

[saelz8]

Medvedev said:



Umm....yeah. Guantanamo is nothing compared to what these people will get from Putin and company. I'm just cringing thinking about it.

Yeah.

Russian death squads ‘pulverise’ Chechens

THE hunt for a nest of female suicide bombers in Chechnya led an elite group of Russian special forces commandos to a small village deep in the countryside. There they surrounded a modest house just before dawn to be sure of catching their quarry unawares.

When the order came to storm the single-storey property, dozens of heavily armed men in masks and camouflage uniforms - unmarked to conceal their identity - had no difficulty in overwhelming the three women inside. Their captives were driven to a military base.

The soldiers were responding to a tip-off that the eldest of the three, who was in her forties, had been indoctrinating women to sacrifice themselves in Chechnya’s ferocious war between Islamic militants and the Russians. The others captured with her were her latest recruits. One was barely 15.

“At first the older one denied everything,” said a senior special forces officer last week. “Then we roughed her up and gave her electric shocks. She provided us with good information. Once we were done with her we shot her in the head.


“We disposed of her body in a field. We placed an artillery shell between her legs and one over her chest, added several 200-gram TNT blocks and blew her to smithereens. The trick is to make sure absolutely nothing is left. No body, no proof, no problem.” The technique was known as pulverisation.

The young recruits were taken away by another unit for further interrogation before they, too, were executed.

The men, decorated veterans of more than 40 tours of duty in Chechnya, said not only suspected rebels but also people close to them were systematically tracked, abducted, tortured and killed. Intelligence was often extracted by breaking their limbs with a hammer, administering electric shocks and forcing men to perform sexual acts on each other. The bodies were either buried in unmarked pits or pulverised.

Far from being the work of a few ruthless mavericks, such methods were widely used among special forces, the men said. They were backed by their superiors on the understanding that operations were to be carried out covertly and that any officers who were caught risked prosecution: the Russian government publicly condemns torture and extrajudicial killings and denies that its army committed war crimes in Chechnya.

In practice, said Andrei and Vladimir, the second officer, the Kremlin turned a blind eye. “Anyone in power who took the slightest interest in the war knows this was going on,” Andrei said. “Our only aim was to wipe out the terrorists.”

The two officers expressed pride in their contribution to the special forces’ “success” in containing the terrorist threat. But they spoke on condition they would not be named.

Andrei, who was badly wounded in the war, said he took part in the killing of at least 10 alleged female suicide bombers. In a separate incident he had a wounded female sniper tied up and ordered a tank to drive over her.

He also participated in one of the most brutal revenge sprees by Russian forces. Following the 2002 killings of two agents from the FSB security service and two soldiers from Russia’s equivalent of the SAS, the troops hunted down 200 Chechens said to be linked to the attacks.

In another operation, Andrei’s unit stumbled across dozens of wounded fighters in a cellar being used as a field hospital. Some were being tended by female relatives. “The fighters who were well enough to be interrogated were taken away. We executed the others, together with some of the women,” he recalled. “That’s the only way to deal with terrorists.”

Following an inconclusive war in Chechnya from 1994-6, Vladimir Putin, the Russian leader, launched a second war in 1999 and set the tone by vowing “to wipe out militants wherever they are, even in the outhouse”. More than 100,000 Chechens are thought to have died by the time the Kremlin declared earlier this month that it was over. Grozny, the capital, was all but flattened. Putin’s toughness earned him great popularity at home.

Acts of blood-curdling brutality were committed by both sides as the rebels tried to turn Chechnya into an Islamic state, often decapitating Russian prisoners. One Russian victim was filmed being mutilated with a chainsaw.

As the war raged, Chechen terrorists launched suicide attacks against civilians in the Moscow metro and at a rock festival. In 2002 a gang including 18 female suicide bombers seized more than 800 hostages in a Moscow theatre, 129 of whom died when the Russians pumped poisonous gas into the building on day three of the siege.

In their most savage act, the rebels took hundreds of school-children and their relatives hostage in Beslan. The three-day siege in 2004 ended with the deaths of 334 hostages, more than half of them children.

It was in this highly charged climate that the death squads were operating. Andrei recalled that his men had detained a suspect who had several videos of militants torturing Russian hostages. One showed him laughing as his comrades raped a 12-year-old girl and then shot off three of her fingers.

“We all went berserk after watching this,” said Andrei, who had begun to beat the suspect. “He fell to the ground. I ordered him to get up but he couldn’t because of his handcuffs. I ordered the cuffs off but something was wrong with the lock. I became angrier and ordered one of my sergeants to get them off no matter what.

“So he took an axe and chopped his arms off. The prisoner screamed in agony. Clearly it would have been impossible to interrogate him further so I shot him in the head.”

Andrei said he thought of his opponents not as human beings but as cockroaches to be squashed. He was unapologetic about acts of cruelty but said he did not condone excessive boasting among his men.

“I had a problem with one of my guys, who liked to collect ears which had been chopped off prisoners. He’d made a necklace and was very serious about taking this home. I did not like that kind of behaviour.”

The brutality continued after Moscow began to cede more control to Chechen special forces made up of former rebels who switched sides. Militias commanded by Ramzan Kadyrov, Chechnya’s pro-Kremlin president, are also accused of abducting, torturing and executing suspects.

Vladimir said he had established a death squad that hunted down, tortured and executed more than 16 alleged militants in 2005. The squad’s commander would log a bogus mission in a faraway location in his unit’s official register to provide an alibi. “We’d break in, take the suspect and vanish. We’d duct-tape and handcuff them. If there was resistance we’d gun down the suspect. If, in the firefight, someone else got killed then we’d plant a gun on the dead person.”

Vladimir and his men referred to their prey as “zaichik” - a term of endearment used by lovers that means “little hare”.

“Only a very small circle of my men took part in this work. Some of those we abducted were tougher than others but eventually everyone talks when you give them the right treatment.

“We used several methods. We’d beat them to a pulp with our bare hands and with sticks. One very effective method is ‘the grand piano’ - when one by one we’d smash the captive’s fingers with a hammer. It’s dirty and difficult work. You would not be human if you enjoyed it but it was the only way to get this filth to talk.”

A hammer would also be used to smash a captive’s kneecaps and militants would be forced to perform sexual acts. The scenes would occasionally be filmed and circulated among enemy combatants in psychological warfare.

“You have to be a certain kind of person to do this job - very strong,” Vladimir said. “Those who carried it out always volunteered. It would not be right to order one of your men to torture someone. It can be morally and psychologically very tough.”

Andrei added: “What mattered most was to carry out this work professionally, not to leave evidence which could be traced back to us. Our bosses knew about such methods but there was a clear understanding that we should cover our tracks. We knew we'd be hung out to dry if we got caught.

“We are not murderers. We are officers engaged in a war against brutal terrorists who will stop at nothing, not even at killing children. They are animals and the only way to deal with them is to destroy them. There is no room for legal niceties in a war like this. Only those who were there can truly understand. I have no regrets. My conscience is clear.”

 

[crazy monkey]

Yup. FSB is one of the most capable intelligence agencies in the world and Russian military intelligence is top of the class as well.

I meant the atrocities committed by them not praising them.

 

[Pancakes]

^Holy shit!

 

[industrian]

Yeah.

Russian death squads ‘pulverise’ Chechens

"Russia doesn't negotiate with terrorists. It destroys them."

 

[Gallbaro]

"Russia doesn't negotiate with terrorists. It destroys them."

Not anything new at all. I have done work with the FSB and even know an oligarch.

Russian counter terrorism tactics are quite well known, they kill your family first.

 

[Ephemeris]

...damn

 

[SUPREME1]

What's the beef between Chechnya and Russia? Occupation by the Russians in the eyes of the Chechens? Or does Russia see Chechnya as part of it's sphere of influence and doesn't want it independent;Chechens breaking away?


How does the Islam aspect play into this? I recall the Chechen leadership being Muslim. Is this part of the issue?

 

[crazy monkey]

What's the beef between Chechnya and Russia? Occupation by the Russians in the eyes of the Chechens? Or does Russia see Chechnya as part of it's sphere of influence and doesn't want it independent;Chechens breaking away?


How does the Islam aspect play into this? I recall the Chechen leadership being Muslim. Is this part of the issue?

yes to some point.

 

[Pancakes]

Oops nvm.

 

[Deku]

Chechnya was a Republic of the USSR who tried to break away in the 1990s

There's a key difference however is that the Chechnya independence movement was largely organized along the lines of secular self-determination.

This new movement want nothing less than an Islamic Emirate in the North Caucuses area. I think it's going to be a much bloodier conflict.

 

[industrian]

What's the beef between Chechnya and Russia? Occupation by the Russians in the eyes of the Chechens? Or does Russia see Chechnya as part of it's sphere of influence and doesn't want it independent;Chechens breaking away?


How does the Islam aspect play into this? I recall the Chechen leadership being Muslim. Is this part of the issue?

Chechnya has been part of Russia since the 18th century. Every time the Russians went through shit (wars, revolutions, etc) the Chechens tried to break away. Stalin dealt with the issue by sending all the ethnic Chechens to Siberia and Kazakhstan because of fears they'd ally themselves with the Germans during WW2, but Khrushchev reversed that decision when he took power.

 

[Invisible Man]

Sorry for bumping this, but has the list of victims been released to the public yet?

I have a friend from Moscow who uses the metro to get to and from uni, and I'm really worried since I sent her an email as soon as I heard the news and haven't gotten a reply back yet.

I've tried searching the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations site and couldn't find anything because my Russian is still beginner-ish.

Any help is appreciated!

 

[Dead Man]

Sorry for bumping this, but has the list of victims been released to the public yet?

I have a friend from Moscow who uses the metro to get to and from uni, and I'm really worried since I sent her an email as soon as I heard the news and haven't gotten a reply back yet.

I've tried searching the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations site and couldn't find anything because my Russian is still beginner-ish.

Any help is appreciated!

http://www.lifenews.ru/news/18759
This page is in Russian (I don't speak it at all) but the link to it said it has the list of surnames of those injured. Hope your friend is okay.

Edit: From the Pravda English forums - http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?281523-Names-of-the-victims-of-the-metro-bombings

 

[Invisible Man]

Thanks for the help!

Thankfully I don't see her name on the list. However, the part about unidentified bodies still has me worried, not to mention it does not list the injured either.

 

[mysticwhip]

Russia is fucking hardcore.

 

[Hootie]

Yeah.

Russian death squads ‘pulverise’ Chechens

Holy fucking shit. :lol

I'm not laughing because it's funny, it's just mindblowingly crazy.