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"Dear Fat People" - controversial 'fat-shaming' YouTube video

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spazchicken said:
Remember the thread about female comedians not being particularly funny, here recently?

This is one of those instances/comedians OP must have been talking about.
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I actually chuckled a couple of times, and when I saw the predictable responses to her jokes in this thread, I couldn't help but think back to that thread about female comedians.
 
Fularu said:
So it's society's fault they want lots of food on their plates?

How so?
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It's like you recognize that different cultures and places in the world have different habits that can be generalized for that region, but then your brain just stops there.

Americans didn't collectively decide to all get fatter. This phenomenon literally never happened. If Americans want a lot more food compared to other countries, it must mean something is up in America.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's like you recognize that different cultures and places in the world have different habits that can be generalized for that region, but then your brain just stops there.
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I'm asking you "why" people want lots of food in the US when eating. You're not answering. Which part of society is pressuring people into eating a ton of stuff way beyond their needs to the point of getting fatter and fatter.

Because if it isn't entitlement (I'm paying for that food, you better give me TONS of it), then I don't know what it is.

Edit : And no, sugar can't shoulder all the blame here.
 
Fularu said:
I used to put it on "entitlement". When an american goes to a restaurant, he values how much food is on his plate for how much he paid (portion size issue). How many times when working in the service industry did I hear them complain about the "tiny portions" french restaurants serve them? Living here in North america is an eye opener. I can't even finish a plate. It's just too full. So tell me, what exactly makes it society's fault that people in North America are insanely fatter (and are increasingly so at an alarming rate) than say, the french people? Sugar everywhere? It's easy to avoid, cook your own food. And no, it's way way way cheaper to cook your meals than to buy precooked food or eating out at the junk joint on the other side of the street.
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America has always had this bigger is better mentality fed to everyone growing up ranging from cars to food. How much did you make growing up also? My mom probably got less than 10k a year, and without foodstamps 3 square meals a day would have been hard to do. And lots of it still would be pre-cooked meals like TV dinners.
 
This woman is amazing. She's got the ham-fisted try-hard comedy style of Jenna Marbles, but she's somehow even less funny. I didn't even think that was possible.
 
Nanashrew said:
America has always had this bigger is better mentality fed to everyone growing up ranging from cars to food. How much did you make growing up also? My mom probably got less than 10k a year, and without foodstamps 3 square meals a day would have been hard to do. And lots of it still would be pre-cooked meals like TV dinners.
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We were a family of 6 (my parents and my 3 brothers) and we lived for 8 years on my father's revenue of 500$ a month in a single bedroom flat. Food stamps? Social security help? food baskets? Rent help? You name it, we used it to make both ends meet. Yet none of us became fat.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's easy to tell people that when you're comfortable in your own position. Not everyone has that luxury, and it's not entirely their fault. We work harder than ever for less than ever. Your solution about personal responsibility is fine, but it's not doable for everyone for reasons outside of our control. So then what? Do you continue to shame people individually for a collective, nationwide problem, or do you do the extra personal research and thinking to consider why this problem is as big as it is? Because it's not as simple as narcissistically thinking everyone's just lazier than yourself.
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Man, my mom has that thought process. She believes being overweight that she's a helpless victim and figures there's no way to overcome it. A 5 foot tall 340lbs woman - she jokes about being plus sized and takes pride, but she is a walking cocktail of medical conditions. It's heart breaking to hear her complain that her body just hurts.

Years ago I was overweight and decided to finally to make a serious attempt at losing weight. Sure, I had gone to the gym before but it was almost a joke. I was working full time, 9-5 and going to class full time at night, all in an area 40 mins from home. I still managed to find the time, but more importantly a system that worked for me and through exercise I managed to lose 80lbs in 6 months. It was life changing, and I've maintained it since. It's not even like I'm on some crazy diet either - it was just adding exercising, hell just today I had pizza for lunch and beers with cheesy tater tots for dinner.

I believe the best way to overcome being overweight is determination. Boogie2988, who I had never seen a video of prior, said it best in his response video. Fat shaming doesn't work because ultimately the elements necessary for a person to make such a drastic lifestyle changes is rooted with the self love. You need to respect and love for yourself to be able to care enough to take care of yourself. Destroying someone's self-esteem will never enable them to take charge of their lives. But at the same time, we should support them and being obese is unhealthy. I dunno, but I think telling an obese person that they're a victim falls on the same spectrum as telling them that they should be ashamed of themselves, in the sense that it's not a motivator.
 
ZombieSupaStar said:
I gained the weight due to depression. Even when I lost the weight I still have a chip on my shoulder (lol not literal!), and now make a point to push the buttons certain types of people.

Give me 10 minutes of talking over coffee with her, I guarantee I would get slapped so HARD. It would be delicious(again not literal!).
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It does sound like you have a chip on your shoulder, unfortunately.
 
Fularu said:
I'm asking you "why" people want lots of food in the US when eating. You're not answering. Which part of society is pressuring people into eating a ton of stuff way beyond their needs to the point of getting fatter and fatter.

Because if it isn't entitlement (I'm paying for that food, you better give me TONS of it), then I don't know what it is.

Edit : And no, sugar can't shoulder all the blame here.
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I've answered it plenty of times.

Unhealthy foods are subsidized to cost less. Unhealthy foods are also addictive. They're purposely full of chemicals meant to trigger responses and cravings. That's why people can't stop. Once you start on that path, you can't go back. Other people in this thread have posted their personal experiences with this. Our brains can't go back. Carbs generally just fuel a hunger for more carbs.

Poverty and city design plays a role. Food deserts are getting worse. Our wages haven't gone up in sync with inflation or even the pay of our own bosses. Americans are living in suburban designs that require transportation by personal car to grocery stores and restaurants that are further away from our homes than ever before.
 
Fularu said:
We were a family of 6 (my parents and my 3 brothers) and we lived for 8 years on my father's revenue of 500$ a month in a single bedroom flat. Food stamps? Social security help? food baskets? Rent help? You name it, we used it to make both ends meet. Yet none of us became fat.
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You're pretty lucky
 
Fularu said:
Capitalism is everywhere in Europe (France, The Netherlands, Germany, eastern Europe) and yet it didn't lead to 60%+ of their population beeing fat/overwirght (or is it 75% now, I seem to recall a thread mentionning it).
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The cities are built pre-car, which means people walk. It really adds up. Also, the food they serve isn't garbage and they don't share the American penchant for excess
 
DOWN said:
My question: I am wondering whether you guys think there is room for any kind of intense wake-up calls or intervention from a public figure like she claims she is doing? Is the 'body positivity' movement not just a help to those hurting, but also a hinderance to changing habits?]
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To each their own. For a friend of mine it took exposure to a reality that was critical to her happiness.

I mean she REALLY wanted a baby, and she loved kids. So when the doctor told her that her baby will be at risk due to her weight that finally gave her the motivation to shape up. She wanted a healthy her to produce a healthy baby, and about 2 years later she was fit.
 
ssolitare said:
To each their own, people must be exposed to everything that's important to them.

A friend of mine REALLY wanted a baby, and she loved kids. So when the doctor told her that her baby will be at risk due to her weight that finally gave her the motivation shape up. She wanted a healthy her to produce a healthy baby. About 2 years later and she was a leaner, fitter machine.
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This is it. People need to have goals, and the goals can't be "get thinner so I stop insulting you."
 
I kind of resent that I followed the link to that without knowing what it was and thus gave a view to something I otherwise never would have seen.
 
ShooterMcGavin said:
This...is actually quite possible. Stop blaming society for every single problem you encounter.
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This is such a lazy argument, and the problem is the people saying it think they're making the least lazy argument.

Americans are different than Canadians are different than Russians are different than etc etc. New Yorkers are different than people in Los Angeles. The environments we are in have measurable effects on our behaviors. The choices we think we all have are shaped under the influence of what's within our realm of control. I mean, just go into that "I traveled and it changed me" thread. Almost everyone is like "I'm too poor to travel." That choice is already made for them. What makes you think this same choice isn't already made for people regarding which grocery stores they can go to and what inexpensive foods they can buy in them?
 
Fat racism?

My head just got filled with images of fat people having segregated toilets and being hit by fire hoses.
 
Can't make fun of: things you can't change. Sexuality, skin color, ethnicity.

Can make fun of: things you can change, like not stuffing your piehole full of pies.

Not really a fan of fat people, in my experience they tend to smell and breath loudly.
 
I spent the majority of my life as morbidly obese, it's only in the last year that I've done something about it. I'm now "merely" overweight, but close to being a normal BMI (and I probably would be if it weren't for this fucking loose skin). When I look back I honestly wish family and friends had stepped in and "shamed" me, instead of enabling me. I really feel like some tough love could have made me snap out of my unhealthy and destructive lifestyle.
 
NewGame said:
Fat racism?

My head just got filled with images of fat people having segregated toilets and being hit by fire hoses.
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As long as they wear yellow.

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Kaervas said:
Can't make fun of: things you can't change. Sexuality, skin color, ethnicity.

Can make fun of: things you can change, like not stuffing your piehole full of pies.

Not really a fan of fat people, in my experience they tend to smell and breath loudly.
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Here we go.
 
Fularu said:
We were a family of 6 (my parents and my 3 brothers) and we lived for 8 years on my father's revenue of 500$ a month in a single bedroom flat. Food stamps? Social security help? food baskets? Rent help? You name it, we used it to make both ends meet. Yet none of us became fat.
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I became chubby. Single mother and two boys constantly having to move around because of an abusive father chasing us around. Stress, hunger, switching school a lot oh and lots of therapy and medical stuff because my mother had diabetes and she wasn't fat either. Doing everything we possibly could to make ends meet, she got multiple jobs to keep up with rent, pay for food, gas for the car and utilities. She would always come home tired and stressful. Barely made it month to month and at times just eating one to two square meals a day despite how much we tried to save with the money and foodstamps. Winter times were often the most brutal with just beans and corn bread.

Pretty much lived that way my entire childhood and teenage life. Still partially live it today!

You may have not gotten fat but I got chubby. I was anything but lazy either having ADHD bouncing off the walls.
 
I mean I get comedians say controversial shit but when you're not the slightest bit funny you come off looking like a complete tool, like this lady has masterfully demonstrated.
 
Depression, Body image, self esteem issues play a major role in obesity a when people shame other people it does not make it better. It makes it a lot worse.

I'm not for fat acceptance but I am for accepting yourself because in the end you're the only one that really has to live with yourself. In your head and in your body. I suffer from major depression disorder and other issues and until I learned to accept myself I wasn't able to change. I avoided mirrors, pictures and even store windows. My family fat shamed me, my friends fat shamed me all through most of my life and only when I got out of that environment that I was able to do something for myself. I've lost about 90 lbs so far and I'm not looking to go back.

Fat people know that they're fat, even ones that tell you they aren't but they do know. They internalize is and keep it to themselves. A lot of them will try to lose weight and become victims of the fad industry where it's not a plausible long term solution and they end up quitting, Weight loss starts in the kitchen and I wish there was more education focused around that. Like quick healthy meals for busy parents. Learning how to incorporate healthier food choices into your diet without sacrificing the things you like.
 
ShooterMcGavin said:
This...is actually quite possible. Stop blaming society for every single problem you encounter.
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Yup, 60% of the American population just decided they didn't give a fuck anymore and became fat overnight. Nothing to do with systemic/cultural/economics issues or anything like that. It's all willpower and if Americans had any they'll be in shape just like the rest of the world. Sometimes the answer to complex social issues is just people simply getting off their asses and working as hard as I do.
 
I was fat, worked hard, now I'm not. Personal lifestyle choices and diet. A littler shamming sometimes is better than acceptance and pride of being unhealthy.

I will never go back to that again. Ever.

You literally look and feel better about yourself.
 
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