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When I was young, we had two cats. My parents eventually got one declawed in the front paws, not the back. The other was not decawed.

The reason for the declawing of the one (my cat, Whiskars) was he was injuring people, seemingly accidentally. When he would get in your lap, he'd knead it with his paws and would always use his claws to do so, slashing up the person he was on. Likewise when being held, when jumping off you, etc. He was a super gentle, mellow cat and very seldom ever clawed on purpose or with any kind of aggression. But everyone in the house was bleeding and scratched up daily from him.

So it was get rid of him, or declaw him. My parents went for the latter.

I didn't know what went into the procedure at the time, I thought the surgery was more precise than what I've read in this thread (through the first 200 posts). I'm not sure I'd make the same decision now. But it wasn't a situation I'd seen described. We didn't make the call based on property damage (a scratching post solved that problem) and it wasn't something we did to every paw or even cat. Just the ones that were causing physical damage to the family.

The options were to have the cat put down, give him away to a shelter where the receiving family might make the call to put him down - if he did find a family - or declaw. In the end my parents (mom in particular) thought declawing was the more humane choice.

This is very reasonable to me because my family have been in situations like this.

I think an important thought has been left out discussions like these in which is the cat causing injury to the respective owner or other people because of the claws and the respect of the life of the cat.

One of the cats my parents had was incredibly nice and friendly most of the time to most people. But, for some reason we won't ever find out, he hated my father and was unfriendly to me. He loved my brother and my mother and for the most part, a lot of guests. An important thing to mention was that my little sister was very young and we weren't entirely sure the response he would have to her, either. He would cuddle up, purr and knead everyone else with no claws and often presented them with the utmost affection and never once do I recall him ever hurting them. However for my father, the cat would often follow him around and scratch at him for no apparent reason. The cat would often attack him on a daily basis and often drew blood which of course was stressful for him. For me, he would hop on me and start kneading my lap but instead of using the pads of his paw as he would with the others (sans my father), he would stick out his claws and dig them into me often causing some pretty harsh pain. When I had a visible response to the pain such as sudden movement or vocally expressing pain, he would look at me and dig further. Yet, he would rub up against me and did show signs of affection.

We had to try and teach him to not claw or dig at us, but he wouldn't accept it. So we had a bit an issue that had to be addressed because the situation could not continue. We had a beautiful cat that was loved by all despite the issues but one who would not attack or show signs of aggression to my brother and mother under any circumstances. We had a beautiful cat that was loved by all despite issues but one who would viciously claw and attack my father (who still treated the cat with love) and often stab me when he is trying to show affection. On top of that, my little sister was young and we didn't want her getting hurt. I should mention that he was a very happy and active indoor cat who loved playing around.

The decision we faced was....

  1. Declaw him so he can't attack my father and I with his claws and prevent any potential injuries with my sister and we don't have to put him down and take away his life or have to give him away to someone else given we all, but especially my mother and brother, loved the cat regardless.
  2. Put him down to completely get rid of the issues with the claws despite him loving life and everyone still loving him and we lose a member of the family.
  3. Give him away to another family and run the risk that he could attack them and they could put him down anyway and we lose a member of the family.
To us, the choice was the first one. We loved him despite the problems. We had to make a tough decision to take away his claws (we had concerns) but we respected that he had his life and was enjoying it. He was a member of the family and we weren't about to put him down over it and we weren't going to give him away. We took him and had the operation. He healed pretty quickly and never showed any signs of discomfort. He was still active and playful. He would still try and paw at my Dad but he couldn't do any damage and we had the comfort knowing my sister wasn't at risk.

The cat has since passed away and years have passed and I am no longer with them of course, but I still have cats and the decisions are made the same way every time... weigh the situation between any potential benefits and negatives with the life and well-being of the cat in mind. We don't simply declaw for the sake of it and never have and never will. The situation has to dictate what the course of action is. For the cats that we have had that were declawed (not all cats) had never ever showed signs of discomfort or decreased energy or drive. They've all been indoor cats and are very, very playful. All the declawing procedures that were carried out were done incredibly professionally and safely and all have had quick recovery times.

I understand the position that people have regarding being strictly against declawing and I respect that. But there are situations that may arise where declawing may be the best course of action for both the human owner and the cat itself.
 
It's really straightforward to trim a cat's claws - declawing seems like a lazy and cruel option.

This. My cat was already declawed in the front when I got her but her back claws are razor sharp if I don't trim them. She hated it at first but now she's used to it and there's no problems doing it.
 
I didn't even know this practice existed. Wow.

Sounds to me like declawing has more benefits to it's owners than to the cat.

I've lived with a cat in the past. I'm pretty sure jumping on sofa and gripping onto things it jumps on would not be possible once declawed.

It seems like a non issue if you train the cat properly.
 
I have an indoor cat. We bought it a scratching post and as such have no need to "de-claw" her. Sure as a kitten she sometimes got a bit rough while playing, but she grew out of it.
 
Declawing a cat is up there with cropping a dog's ears or tail because you're an asshole that will butcher a pet to make it how you want it.

Sterilization serves an incredibly important purpose. Pet owners that don't spay or neuter animals that aren't there specifically to breed are irresponsible. And those that declaw because they like their furniture or crop ears and tails because they're (whatever) are assholes.

Do an hour's research before you adopt a pet, people.
 
The same could be said for someone who purchases or holds another living being that should be free to live their lives freely.

Animal liberation is the fever dream of lunatics. Domesticated animals are meant to be pets. Keeping one in good health is far different from the topics being discussed.
 
Just remember there's an alternative if you're not a fan of the nuclear option:
http://www.softpaws.com/

Sure it's a bit of work, but I previously owned ferrets. This is a walk in the park from a responsibility perspective compared to when I had those little carpet sharks. They came up with the most imaginative ways to try and kill themselves due to their curiosity.
 
I had a declawed cat growing up, and one of the saddest memories I have of her was when she'd attempt to sharpen her claws on cardboard boxes or on her climbing tree. She usually did this when she was feeling playful, but obviously didn't understand all that work was futile. It made me so sad as a kid.

Suffice it to say, I would never entertain the thought of declawing a cat now. Claws are so fundamental to what makes a cat a cat. It's unfathomable to me that people remove them. Be diligent about training and trimming, and your problems should be minimal.
 
Ok I wasn't going to waste all the shithead posters' time by making this response but I will, if nothing else but just to link back to whenever someone makes a dumb post about OH HEY NO I AM A FRIEND OF FELINES AND IT IS NOT FAIR TO CUT OFF THEIR KNUCKLES AND FINGERS AND TORTURE THEM, THEY DID NOT ASK FOR THIS YOU CAN TRAIN THEM AND YOU ARE JUST BEING SELFISH AND LAZY.

Ok well how about all of you shut you're god damn kitten-paw-hugging traps and listen to one ACROSS THE BOARD positive experience.

No I'm not talking about bad experiences where my cats have suffered.

No I'm not talking about good experiences where I just feel guilty regardless of how well my cats have done and boo hoo. I'm literally talking about...

1 cat

1 declawing

1 perfect recovery

Oh wait

x 6!!!!

Yeah, no fucking complications for ANY CAT I HAVE EVER OWNED.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?????

But NeoGAF says it's cruel, right? Yep, they sure do. I mean you are CUTTING OFF THEIR KNUCKLES.

HERE IS AN INFANT GETTING IT'S COCK SKIN CUT OFF.

Don't even waste your time bringing up the cruelty involved in the "hypothetical pain" involved with declawing. You want to tell everyone how much it hurts? Show statistics of cats having painful recoveries vs. perfect recoveries. You won't find it.

As much as I support declawing, I will NEVER be as much of a self-entitled prick to tell you which to do yourself. So do the research and make your own decision. But for all the people who tell you one way is right and one way is wrong...

FUCK. YOU.
 
Ok I wasn't going to waste all the shithead poster's time by making this response but I will, if nothing else but just to link back to whenever someone makes a dumb post about OH HEY NO I AM A FRIEND OF FELINES AND IT IS NOT FAIR TO CUT OFF THEIR KNUCKLES AND FINGERS AND TORTURE THEM, THEY DID NOT ASK FOR THIS YOU CAN TRAIN THEM AND YOU ARE JUST BEING SELFISH AND LAZY.

Ok well how about all of you shut you're god damn kitten-paw-hugging traps and listen to one ACROSS THE BOARD positive experience.

No I'm not talking about bad experiences where my cats have suffered.

No I'm not talking about good experiences where I just feel guilty regardless of how well my cats have done and boo hoo. I'm literally talking about...

1 cat

1 declawing

1 perfect recovery

Oh wait

x 6!!!!

Yeah, no fucking complications for ANY CAT I HAVE EVER OWNED.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?????

But NeoGAF says it's cruel, right? Yep, they sure do. I mean you are CUTTING OFF THEIR KNUCKLES.

HERE IS AN INFANT GETTING IT'S COCK SKIN CUT OFF.

Don't even waste your time bringing up the cruelty involved in the "hypothetical pain" involved with declawing. You want to tell everyone how much it hurts? Show statistics of cats having painful recoveries vs. perfect recoveries. You won't find it.

As much as I support declawing, I will NEVER be as much of a self-entitled prick to tell you which to do yourself. So do the research and make your own decision. But for all the people who tell you one way is right and one way is wrong...

FUCK. YOU.
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Yikes, I thought *I* was invested in this...

Edit: Here's a video of female circumcision to support the anti-declawing standpoint:

Fake-edit: Just kidding, because I'm not crazy.
 
Declawing is illegal here in the UK. I was horrified to find out that it is not only permitted but commonly practiced in the US.

It's barbaric. If you declaw your cat you are scum and should not own a cat.
 
I was in vet tech school a very long time ago and had to declaw a cat myself. I did it exactly as they did in the video posted earlier. It is more like ripping your nail out from the root than anything.
 
Ok I wasn't going to waste all the shithead posters' time by making this response but I will, if nothing else but just to link back to whenever someone makes a dumb post about OH HEY NO I AM A FRIEND OF FELINES AND IT IS NOT FAIR TO CUT OFF THEIR KNUCKLES AND FINGERS AND TORTURE THEM, THEY DID NOT ASK FOR THIS YOU CAN TRAIN THEM AND YOU ARE JUST BEING SELFISH AND LAZY.

Ok well how about all of you shut you're god damn kitten-paw-hugging traps and listen to one ACROSS THE BOARD positive experience.

No I'm not talking about bad experiences where my cats have suffered.

No I'm not talking about good experiences where I just feel guilty regardless of how well my cats have done and boo hoo. I'm literally talking about...

1 cat

1 declawing

1 perfect recovery

Oh wait

x 6!!!!

Yeah, no fucking complications for ANY CAT I HAVE EVER OWNED.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?????

But NeoGAF says it's cruel, right? Yep, they sure do. I mean you are CUTTING OFF THEIR KNUCKLES.

HERE IS AN INFANT GETTING IT'S COCK SKIN CUT OFF.

Don't even waste your time bringing up the cruelty involved in the "hypothetical pain" involved with declawing. You want to tell everyone how much it hurts? Show statistics of cats having painful recoveries vs. perfect recoveries. You won't find it.

As much as I support declawing, I will NEVER be as much of a self-entitled prick to tell you which to do yourself. So do the research and make your own decision. But for all the people who tell you one way is right and one way is wrong...

FUCK. YOU.
Declawing your cat is like circumcising your kid, if your kid had four dicks and used the foreskins every day for balance and climbing. (Let's give that image some time to sink in, lol.) It's cruel and unnecessary considering the range of alternatives. I don't think a person should own a cat if they're unwilling to invest sufficient time and effort to care for it without resorting to an extreme and permanent procedure for convenience.
 
Declawing your cat is like circumcising your kid, if your kid had fours dicks and used the foreskins every day for balance and climbing. (Let's give that image some time to sink in, lol.) It's cruel and unnecessary considering the range of alternatives.
my son is actually an anime tentacle monster so all of those apply
 
Declawing is illegal here in the UK. I was horrified to find out that it is not only permitted but commonly practiced in the US.

It's barbaric. If you declaw your cat you are scum and should not own a cat.

It's kind of common, but I think the majority of pet cats in the US are not declawed. Stray-rescue clawed here, and I have the scratches to prove it. Wouldn't trade 'em for the world.
 
Declawing is illegal here in the UK. I was horrified to find out that it is not only permitted but commonly practiced in the US.

It's barbaric. If you declaw your cat you are scum and should not own a cat.

It's illegal in Australia, New Zealand, and most of Europe as well.
 
I would want my cat capable of pulling this off:
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and not his:
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(I don't know if either is declawed, point being they use them a lot for stability/grip/climbing etc.)
 
Declawing is illegal here in the UK. I was horrified to find out that it is not only permitted but commonly practiced in the US.

It's barbaric. If you declaw your cat you are scum and should not own a cat.

It is? Oh thank god for that. And to hear most of europe too is refreshing.

This thread had me thinking way more people did it than I thought, it's not something that would have ever even crossed our minds to do!
 
It's illegal in Australia, New Zealand, and most of Europe as well.

I was always under the impression that it was heavily frowned upon everywhere but apparently a vet recommended it to the OP? In Canada it's certainly frowned upon, I assumed it was the same.

I think a small percentage of cat owners should actually be cat owners. Unfortunately there are so many cats in need of homes because some people care even less than people that declaw and just let them out the door.
 
I don't do it.

EDIT: Saw the horrible video on the first page, is that what you guys mean by declawing?! I got sick to my stomach when he TOOK THE ENTIRE CLAW OFF and stopped the video.

That's not "cutting the cats claw" to me - it's more like when a person cuts it's nails, you just cut the tip, not the entire fucking finger.
 
I have 2 indoors cats. I simply don't see a reason to declaw them, they only scratch the scratching poles in my appartment plus they're careful when playing with me. (ok sometimes I do get a few marks on hands, but that's not a problem).
 
The same could be said for someone who purchases or holds another living being that should be free to live their lives freely.

But if someone doesn't purchase an animal from some holding place, then they will go to the next place and/or just be stuck at the crappy holding place(Petco or worse yet an animal shelter).

A rather silly argument to present.
 
I don't see the point in declawing a cat, unless it's some sort of life or death situation. I mean, can someone explain why you should declaw a cat?
 
Weird to see listed it as vet approved. I've always been under the impression it's a fairly maligned practice.

As the owner of a cat who had been declawed by the previous owner, fuck off with that bullshit. So cruel and unfair.
 
Ok I wasn't going to waste all the shithead posters' time by making this response but I will, if nothing else but just to link back to whenever someone makes a dumb post about OH HEY NO I AM A FRIEND OF FELINES AND IT IS NOT FAIR TO CUT OFF THEIR KNUCKLES AND FINGERS AND TORTURE THEM, THEY DID NOT ASK FOR THIS YOU CAN TRAIN THEM AND YOU ARE JUST BEING SELFISH AND LAZY.

Ok well how about all of you shut you're god damn kitten-paw-hugging traps and listen to one ACROSS THE BOARD positive experience.

No I'm not talking about bad experiences where my cats have suffered.

No I'm not talking about good experiences where I just feel guilty regardless of how well my cats have done and boo hoo. I'm literally talking about...

1 cat

1 declawing

1 perfect recovery

Oh wait

x 6!!!!

Yeah, no fucking complications for ANY CAT I HAVE EVER OWNED.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?????

But NeoGAF says it's cruel, right? Yep, they sure do. I mean you are CUTTING OFF THEIR KNUCKLES.

HERE IS AN INFANT GETTING IT'S COCK SKIN CUT OFF.

Don't even waste your time bringing up the cruelty involved in the "hypothetical pain" involved with declawing. You want to tell everyone how much it hurts? Show statistics of cats having painful recoveries vs. perfect recoveries. You won't find it.

As much as I support declawing, I will NEVER be as much of a self-entitled prick to tell you which to do yourself. So do the research and make your own decision. But for all the people who tell you one way is right and one way is wrong...

FUCK. YOU.

It's banned/illegal in most (all?) european countries and many others around the world for no other reason but to annoy you! Cruel world...
 
Weird to see listed it as vet approved. I've always been under the impression it's a fairly maligned practice.

As the owner of a cat who had been declawed by the previous owner, fuck off with that bullshit. So cruel and unfair.

Makes vets money though.
 
cat declawing thread meltdown?

ok. add it to the list of GAF topics, tipping, circumcision, etc.


on the other hand, I think we should let people in favor or against, actually fight it out physically, in public.
 
I remember when I first got my current cat, he's a rescue and I had to sign a waiver saying I wouldn't get him declawed after taking him home. Obviously there's no binding legal contract with that, but I think they just wanted you to read through and understand exactly how declawing works.

He scratches his post and some small furniture, but I couldn't care less. It's replaceable. Unlike his little ginsu fingers.
 
cat declawing thread meltdown?

ok. add it to the list of GAF topics, tipping, circumcision, etc.


on the other hand, I think we should let people in favor or against, actually fight it out physically, in public.

But cut the fingers to the 2nd Knuckle on the supporters first. Only fair.
 
I don't see the point in declawing a cat, unless it's some sort of life or death situation. I mean, can someone explain why you should declaw a cat?

Believe or not, cats have attacked people using their claws. My older brother was attacked by a cat and has scars all over his body to this day, and before anyone ask, no, it was not warranted. He was trying to get something and the cat was in the same area. The cat didn't like my brother in his territory, so he attacked him.

Cats are also not ideal pets for small children. Cats are easily agitated and having children around who will constantly try to play and pick up is not a good mix.
 
Just seems lazy as an owner to go the declawing option. If the cat is an outdoor cat, then it's even worse.

I mean, my indoor cats are jerkfaces a lot.. but my furniture, window curtains. and limbs are still perfectly intact (ok, that last one is a lie lol). They'll still randomly barf on shit once in awhile though!

Just train them to stay off stuff, get scratching posts, trim their nails, or use softpaws. At least try first.

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Edit:

And I wouldn't say that spaying/neutering is exactly the same as removing claws.

Spaying/neutering is good for benefits to their health, treating behavioral issues (such as going into heat, fighting, or marking all yo stuff with their pee) and of course, population control.
 
Believe or not, cats have attacked people using their claws. My older brother was attacked by a cat and has scars all over his body to this day.

Cats are also not ideal pets for small children. Cats are easily agitated and having children around who will constantly try to play and pick up is not a good mix.

Are you claiming that your brother has scars covering a majority of his body from a single encounter with a domestic cat? Given "scars all over his body."

Cats are animals. There are ways to approach them the same way as other domesticated animals.

And cats can be great with children. It just takes training, much like training them to be in a house.

Or you can hack off their fingers.
 
Believe or not, cats have attacked people using their claws. My older brother was attacked by a cat and has scars all over his body to this day.

Cats are also not ideal pets for small children. Cats are easily agitated and having children around who will constantly try to play and pick up is not a good mix.
That's like saying that because a dog attacked my mom once, it's okay to get a dog defanged. I know being attacked by an animal can be traumatic, but it isn't really isn't something you can prepare for. Not to mention, cats attack with a lot more than their claws. Cat bites are the worst thing you can get, as it tends to infect easily.

If you have or are planning on having children, you probably shouldn't get a pet until they are old enough. If you already have a pet that you feel won't be good with kids, keep them separate.
 
Makes vets money though.

To be fair, my vet told me that she does it because she would rather do that than have the owners willingly abandon their pet. She was legitimately happy when I told her that I wasn't going to declaw my cat.

I don't doubt that what you're saying is true though. I'm sure there are vets out there who push for declawing because it makes them money.
 
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