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Declawing is a lazy solution. Buy cardboard scratching posts and cat trees where the cat actually wants to scratch. Easy, cheap and you don't have to surgically remove any of your cat's appendages.

Ripping off your pet's genitals is a lazy solution, yet it is advocated by all mainstream organizations.

Afraid your pet may be too aggressive? Don't want them spraying/marking or doing anything else you don't like but you're too much of a bum to train them? Just remove the genitals to "mellow" them out!
Don't worry, their personality doesn't change! (Ignore what we just said about their personality changing.) Plus they have a lower risk of cancer, because they can't get cancer in the parts that we chuck into the bin.
 
Ripping off your pet's genitals is a lazy solution, yet it is advocated by all mainstream organizations.

Afraid your pet may be too aggressive? Don't want them spraying/marking or doing anything else you don't like but you're too much of a bum to train them? Just remove the genitals to "mellow" them out!
Don't worry, their personality doesn't change! (Ignore what we just said about their personality changing.) Plus they have a lower risk of cancer, because they can't get cancer in the parts that we chuck into the bin.

Spaying / neutering your pet helps to control the pet population... don't you watch the Price is Right?

I should also add that the cat I adopted from the SPCA - neutering was a requirement for the adoption. If you didn't agree to it, they wouldn't let you adopt the pet. They have more than enough stray animals to keep them busy, so I fully understand why that would be a requirement.
 
Ripping off your pet's genitals is a lazy solution, yet it is advocated by all mainstream organizations.

Afraid your pet may be too aggressive? Don't want them spraying/marking or doing anything else you don't like but you're too much of a bum to train them? Just remove the genitals to "mellow" them out!
Don't worry, their personality doesn't change! (Ignore what we just said about their personality changing.) Plus they have a lower risk of cancer, because they can't get cancer in the parts that we chuck into the bin.

You need to go back to the previous page and read some of the posts about false equivalency.
 
It all comes down to effort and morals. Do you expect keeping pets to be as easy as buying a laptop and wiping it clean once a week? If yes, then sure neuter them, declaw them, put them in a leash and if they are not house clean put a fucking diaper on them. It's your property by law so its not like the society ever judges your decisions of making your life easier in the expense of your pets.

In my personal opinion, most people aren't fit to keep pets. We should have mandatory training and license to everyone who wants to keep a pet to avoid people doing stupid shit because they didn't take the time to do research on the species and its care. I see mistreated dogs every time I walk the street, overweight house dogs, big dogs being walked by kids who yank the leash on every fucking turn... It's an endless cycle of stupidity. But who cares as long as the owner is happy! Again pets are property.


If there is a reasonable way to train cats to not destroy furniture or to protect prime targets for claw honing, then declawing is morally wrong in my opinion and you are a lazy/bad person for doing it. Willfull ignorance is being a bad person.
 
We must not let our cats put the birds populations under pressure. Not to prevent their extinction, but to prevent their evolution.

It's obvious that the dumbest birds are the most likely to get caught by cats. Therefore the smartest birds survive and proliferate. That's the danger: the birds are becoming more intelligent.

Let's not forget than birds are dinosaurs. Dinosaurs used to rule the world even though they were supposedly not very smart. We don't want that to happen again. Imagine what intelligent dinosaurs could do.

Cat owners, you know what to do.
 
I've had three indoor/outdoor cats, and never wanted to declaw them. I also don't think there's anythink wrong with letting them go outside. It helps get rid of pests around the house. I don't have any compelling argument for not declawing and for letting a cat go outside though. Just my personal preference and it seems like it makes them happier.
 
If you declaw a cat, you're a dick. Plain and simple.

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I'm not big on cats, but removing part of a live animal (which has nerves and does not regrow) for other reasons than the welfare of the animal itself or other animals is a huge dick move.
See also: debarking or clipping the tails of dogs, removing venom glands of snakes

I know plenty of people who have indoor cats, none of them are declawed. In fact, I believe it is illegal to declaw cats in Germany & Austria.
 
My family cats I grew up with were always declawed because my mom didnt want them destroying their furniture. Once I moved out of their house and started owning my own cats, I chose not to delcaw them because of the whole "cutting down the first or second knuckle" thing that I had recently learned about. I just cant do it. Its too cruel.

One particular thing I noticed, at least about my family cats when I was a kid, was how playful our cats were before they were declawed. After the operation and they healed, personality wise they just were never quite the same. They didnt play as much and were way more lethargic than before. In contrast, every cat that Ive owned and never declawed was consistently playful and active. Ive got a three year old orange now and hes still as active and nutty as he was when he was a kitten. Does he still got dem claws? Yup.

Just keep them trimmed and teach them not to claw your stuff up. It isnt hard.
 
Look at it this way.

If you didn't want an animal clawing your stuff.

WHY THE HELL DID YOU GET A CAT?

I't would be like getting a bird and saying, well I don't like how it flies about.
Chop its wings off!

I come down hard on this one.
Cat declawing is horrendously cruel and should be illegal everywhere like it is in the UK.

If you do this to an animal, you are an awful person.
 
I could never have a cat declawed. It's just simply an act of cruelty. And, it's illegal here in Sweden as well, thankfully.

I have no problems with my two cats and they hardly ever use their claws on anything except their climbing tree / pole (or whatever you call it in english, as it is just a pole from the floor to the ceiling with a couple of platforms).
 
We put aluminum foil up on counter tops for a few months and we have a ton of scratch pad / surfaces around the house . For awhile she would jump onto the aluminum foil but would start meowing quickly (they hate it) and after a few months she stopped trying to get on the counters. With all the scratch pads her nails are pretty much filed down also
 
Look at it this way.

If you didn't want an animal clawing your stuff.

WHY THE HELL DID YOU GET A CAT?

I't would be like getting a bird and saying, well I don't like how it flies about.
Chop its wings off!

I come down hard on this one.
Cat declawing is horrendously cruel and should be illegal everywhere like it is in the UK.

If you do this to an animal, you are an awful person.

People clip bird wings so they aren't able to fly all the time.
 
Look at it this way.

If you didn't want an animal clawing your stuff.

WHY THE HELL DID YOU GET A CAT?

I't would be like getting a bird and saying, well I don't like how it flies about.
Chop its wings off!

I come down hard on this one.
Cat declawing is horrendously cruel and should be illegal everywhere like it is in the UK.

If you do this to an animal, you are an awful person.

Agreed.

I refuse to have a pet if I have to mutilate him for my personal confort.
 
Bit of confusion in the post you are replying to I think as it refers to the UK and USA without being specific.

The UK is the same for cats - most cats are outdoor cats, and there's no possibility or discussion of making that illegal. Declawing cats would be considered nutty and cruel.
The poster was talking about *feral* cats which is completely different - non-domesticated cats are a whole different kettle of fish from my understanding,

Right I was. I don't think the uk is discussing banning cats from being let outdoors. It is being discussed in other jurisdictions because domesticated cats contribute to the population of feral cats. I guess the idea is that banning them from the outdoors does a few things: You don't need to mandate sterilization, and trapping programs are easier because you shouldn't pick up domesticated cats.
 
Ripping off your pet's genitals is a lazy solution, yet it is advocated by all mainstream organizations.

Afraid your pet may be too aggressive? Don't want them spraying/marking or doing anything else you don't like but you're too much of a bum to train them? Just remove the genitals to "mellow" them out!
Don't worry, their personality doesn't change! (Ignore what we just said about their personality changing.) Plus they have a lower risk of cancer, because they can't get cancer in the parts that we chuck into the bin.

This is the worst post I've ever seen you make. Not only is it not equal, but it's sarcastic, equivocating and ignorant. I also have no idea what point you're trying to make.

EDIT: and what's going on with the bird arguments? If it's even a valid point, it needs to be shown that cats are, in fact, upsetting the homeostasis of the ecology they are in by killing birds. And let's not say it's unethical for cats to kill birds since it's not for eating. It's just upsetting to mix ethics with animals like that.
 
Why would declaw a cat and put it outside?

You were one of several who mentioned that even with careful owners cats may get outside sometimes.

I agree with that (And made note of it as a valid point). But that concept would work both ways: just as a declawed cat might be less safe if he snuck outside, so too would a declawed cat be less deadly if he got outside.
 
I'm saying that protecting the bird population shouldn't be used as an excuse for declawing.

They will still kill with their teeth.

This is silly. The suggestion, then, is that declawing is only useful for saving birds if it stops cats from killing any birds whatsoever.

If declawing stopped even just 20% of associated bird deaths, we'd be talking on the order of 500-700 million birds saved a year in the US alone. That should be relevant even if declawing doesn't stop cats from killing entirely and I strongly caution people from using simplistic thinking like "If it doesn't completely and absolutely solve a macro-level problem then it is useless."

I want to reiterate again, however, that this doesn't mean I am for mass declawing cats. I am only trying to argue that it isn't as simple as "declawing is terrible and there are no upsides whatsoever." There very clearly are upsides, and the value of the upsides and downsides will depend on situation and location.
 
declawing is good for the health of the bird population if your cat is an outdoor cat or chance of running away

There's a reason why there have been laws on how many kids you can have in china, and not that you can have as many as you want, as long as you neuter all above the amount of 2. If the bird population needs saving, you need to actually address that. Ruining a lot of the life of a cat by declawing it, just so it can't kill birds, is like chopping if your arms so you can't hit your SO.
 
It's probably already said here, but this is ILLEGAL in a lot of countries unless it is done for health reasons.

I didn't even know the practice still existed in the West. People endorsing this should be very ashamed and are unfit to keep a pet.
 
This is silly. The suggestion, then, is that declawing is only useful for saving birds if it stops cats from killing any birds whatsoever.

If declawing stopped even just 20% of associated bird deaths, we'd be talking on the order of 500-700 million birds saved a year. That should be relevant even if declawing doesn't stop cats from killing entirely and I strongly caution people from using simplistic thinking like "If it doesn't completely and absolutely stop a macro-level problem then it is useless."

I want to reiterate again, however, that this doesn't mean I am for mass declawing cats. I am only trying to argue that it isn't as simple as "declawing is terrible and there are no upsides whatsoever." There very clearly are upsides, and the value of the upsides and downsides will depend on situation and location.

I don't get why it's even a point. As with my example, cutting of all arms of all men would prevent all of their girlfriends from being hit. No women would be hit, but not all men hit women. The point here is that this solution helps a problem, but it does more than just help the problem. It takes away from the individual who's disarmed or declawed. So there are benefits to disarming all men in the world, so it's not as simple as saying "disarming is terrible and there are no upsides whatsoever", but I think this clearly illustrates that even if that's the case, it's kind of just argumentative fluff.
 
kind of like comparing a few paw snips to the removal of entire arms

but I'd like go one further. entire cybernetic paw replacements. robot paws that do not have claws. And are entirely controlled by humans.

I wonder why it's still so prevalent in the United States?

because we, as Americans, expect more out of the pet-owner compact.
 
I had no idea there were so many counties that banned the declawing of cats. That is very interesting. I wonder why it's still so prevalent in the United States?
 
My cat is a month away from being spayed, and the declaw question keeps coming up. He's not purposely scratching our new couch, but she damages it just from jumping on it. We do have scratching posts everywhere, and she uses them + the box spring. I just don't think we'll do it based on feeling.
 
kind of like comparing a few paw snips to the removal of entire arms

Just to clarify, I am not comparing removing of claws to removing of arms. I am comparing the effects of removing claws to the effects of removing arms, and showing how doing one might solve a problem is not an argument for it, and it's not an argument against it. It's exactly saying "it's not all bad, but that doesn't mean anything"
 
Sorry, if you don't want a pet with claws, don't get a cat. I have three, and while I don't care for them sometimes (one in particular is consistently a dick), my wife and I have never even thought of having them declawed, and they're indoor cats.

First post nailed this thread.
 
This is silly. The suggestion, then, is that declawing is only useful for saving birds if it stops cats from killing any birds whatsoever.

If declawing stopped even just 20% of associated bird deaths, we'd be talking on the order of 500-700 million birds saved a year in the US alone. That should be relevant even if declawing doesn't stop cats from killing entirely and I strongly caution people from using simplistic thinking like "If it doesn't completely and absolutely solve a macro-level problem then it is useless."

I want to reiterate again, however, that this doesn't mean I am for mass declawing cats. I am only trying to argue that it isn't as simple as "declawing is terrible and there are no upsides whatsoever." There very clearly are upsides, and the value of the upsides and downsides will depend on situation and location.

i wasn't aware that cats were such a pest concerning bird-conservation in the US and from what we've heard in here so far, the most common motive to declaw your cat is your couch.
But even if I assume that the motive is different for just one second (assuming it is bird-conservation), it still seems to make a lot more sense to go the route of population control to address that problem.
 
I'm saying that protecting the bird population shouldn't be used as an excuse for declawing.

They will still kill with their teeth.

Oops sorry, must have been half asleep when I quoted you originally haha.

My cat is a month away from being spayed, and the declaw question keeps coming up. He's not purposely scratching our new couch, but she damages it just from jumping on it. We do have scratching posts everywhere, and she uses them + the box spring. I just don't think we'll do it based on feeling.

He's a kitten though, the likelihood is that he'll grow out of all of this before too long.
 
My wife and I have 2 cats, ages 3 and 4, both fully clawed. Had them both since they were each kittens. You know how we got around them scratching up furniture?

We fucking trained them.

Take the time to give a shit and invest in your relationship with your cats and you'll find they're quite capable of understanding what belongs to them and what they aren't allowed to mess with. A nice carpet tree, some scratch pads, and some good toys will keep them happy and help them understand that some things are theirs while others are not.

Declawing is a shitty thing to do and it speaks to the laziness and thoughtlessness of the owner. Pets are a serious responsibility and having them mutilated for your convenience only serves to prove that you are not ready to have a pet in the first place.
 
don't judge me bro, if I want to have my cat's paws re-adjusted. or rather, keep those judgements to yourself, and confined to threads like these where you can vent (i do not own a cat)

I do think it's interesting that they felt the need to outlaw de-clawing in parts of Europe. I don't think that would fly in the USA though.
 
I have two cats and the first still has her claws because I got her as a brand new baby. Got her spayed but not declawed. My second cat, well, she was already declawed when I bought her. If I had a choice, she'd have her claws too. Most people I know, have clawed cats in any case.
 
I had no idea there were so many counties that banned the declawing of cats. That is very interesting. I wonder why it's still so prevalent in the United States?

There are plenty of posts in this thread trying to rationalize it.

You can make yourself believe anything if you find enough excuses for it.
 
My wife and I have 2 cats, ages 3 and 4, both fully clawed. Had them both since they were each kittens. You know how we got around them scratching up furniture?

We fucking trained them.

Yeah really, cats are able to be trained, contrary to popular belief. Here is our cat Clancy doing various tricks that we taught him...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of6wlUTFYFg

If you work with them, and actually put in the time and effort, it can be done. In addition to the above we have taught him obedience as well such as "come", "stay", and things like making sure he doesn't scratch up the furniture and carpet and staying off of the table and cabinets and stuff. For "tricks" focus on rewards as you would a dog or any other pet that is trainable, and for obedience focus on both rewards as well as simple punishments such as a mist from a water spray bottle or the classic "coins in a soda bottle". If trained, you don't even need to worry about the cat snapping at you or any of that.

People don't want to put in the time and effort for a cat because there is a lazier way around the possible issues - amputating a part of their body that is pretty useful to them in their day to day life. Forget about training them, lets just slice off the offending part of their body and be done with it. I almost don't put all of the blame on the cat owners that decide to go that way though. Most people don't realize that there are other options.

Before I got married and we got Clancy, I was a declaw guy. My wife was vehemently against it though, and especially after getting Clancy I realized just how awful and lazy it is to do. I couldn't even imagine doing it to him. We also had to sign a contract stating that we would not have him declawed since we bought a hypo-allergenic Siberian Forest Cat, but even without that I wouldn't even consider doing it to him or any future cats that we will own. In addition to the very simple training, we also keep his nails clipped. It is very easy to do and once done you don't have to worry about possible damage anyway. When clipping, just make sure you don't cut them too far down or you'll cut the quick. It's very easy to tell how far down you can cut, but you can actually go a lot shorter than most people realize...

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As long as you stay above the darker reddish part, you are fine. Just do not cut into that part or you will have one hurt and pissed off cat. Again, if your cat doesn't want to play along then train them to be fine with it with encouragement and treats. It's almost a trick you are teaching them to be fine with it. Or if you don't want to do it take them to the groomers and if they do cats they can do it for you.

Then, if you don't want to mess with trimming them, there are the little caps that have been mentioned over and over. They are very simple to apply and they last for a good long while, and then you simply replace them.

There are way too many alternatives to declawing for it to be an option. Heck, I'm shocked it's even still a legal procedure in the US and Canada considering it is an uncommon, if not illegal, practice in the rest of the world.

For too long cats have seemingly been the pet for the lazy, those that don't want to do much training or anything else. Too many people view them as totally self-sufficient, other than the litter box and being fed, and you get one and that's the end of it. To make things even worse the laziest of the lazy then decide to take it a step further and slice off their claws to cut down on even that bit of care. Cats are much like dogs, they can be trained, it takes work and time and effort to own a cat just like any other.
 
My last cat used to claw the ever loving shit out of my computer chair. Every time he did I would pet him and pull his claws out of the fabric when he inevitably got stuck. I didnt care about the chair and it saved the rest of my furniture. Would never dream of getting a cat declawed. Horrible and lazy thing to do.

As for the declawing = spaying thing, most all of my animals have been rescues that were already "fixed" (man I hate that term). Given the choice I would prefer a laproscopy over spaying, which always leaves that huge scar on their bellies. :(
 
i wasn't aware that cats were such a pest concerning bird-conservation in the US and from what we've heard in here so far, the most common motive to declaw your cat is your couch.
But even if I assume that the motive is different for just one second (assuming it is bird-conservation), it still seems to make a lot more sense to go the route of population control to address that problem.

Absolutely agreed, cat population control is the most important step in fixing a wide variety of problems, including bird depopulation.

But very clearly that isn't solving the problem by itself. My goal isn't facile and isn't intended to suggest, "and therefore everyone should declaw their cats and declawing is super and great."

Instead, I'm trying to suggest this is a more complicated topic than it initially appears to some, and that there are real upsides to declawing. Downsides too -- some of which I didn't know about when I first made this thread -- but this isn't a simple case where all the facts, reason and evidence are on a single side of the discussion. I'm trying to avoid having people think in binary terms like "Declawing is good" or "Declawing is bad," and I have definitely been convinced that declawing is over-prescribed here in the United States by several posters in the thread.
 
I've declawed all my cats in my life. I've heard all the arguments of "how would you like it if you had half your fingers cut off?" Well yeah if my entire job and purpose in life was to sleep, demand getting pet and then eat and shit I wouldn't really care. "He'll get aggressive." Never in my experiences. "He needs his claws for protection." From what? The bugs that occasionally fly into my house? Declawing the cat just makes them much more livable. I don't need to worry about the cat flipping out for no reason and tearing up my couch nor deciding he's had enough petting and just swatting at my hand.
 
I've declawed all my cats in my life. I've heard all the arguments of "how would you like it if you had half your fingers cut off?" Well yeah if my entire job and purpose in life was to sleep, demand getting pet and then eat and shit I wouldn't really care. "He'll get aggressive." Never in my experiences. "He needs his claws for protection." From what? The bugs that occasionally fly into my house? Declawing the cat just makes them much more livable. I don't need to worry about the cat flipping out for no reason and tearing up my couch nor deciding he's had enough petting and just swatting at my hand.

Bullshit.

It doesn't really sound like there's much about cats you enjoy other than cutting off their claws.
 
I've declawed all my cats in my life. I've heard all the arguments of "how would you like it if you had half your fingers cut off?" Well yeah if my entire job and purpose in life was to sleep, demand getting pet and then eat and shit I wouldn't really care. "He'll get aggressive." Never in my experiences. "He needs his claws for protection." From what? The bugs that occasionally fly into my house? Declawing the cat just makes them much more livable. I don't need to worry about the cat flipping out for no reason and tearing up my couch nor deciding he's had enough petting and just swatting at my hand.

Wow. And here I thought I wasn't a fan of cats. Proof positive that there's always someone out there that does something harder than you.
 
Bullshit.

It doesn't really sound like there's much about cats you enjoy other than cutting off their claws.

Yes that is why I've always owned a cat my entire life. Because I hate them. Get off your soapbox dick. I swear the anti-declawing people are some of the most annoying people on the planet.
 
If we stopped needlessly breeding animals for our entertainment, we'd get to have fewer and fewer of these conversations about what sorts of invasive, harm-causing actions we should take toward our animal subjects in order to lessen the derivative harm they cause to themselves, each other, and other animals.

Given where we're at, I recommend minimally invasive mass sterilization and keeping as many cats indoors as possible. I would hope that someone who was interested in helping to repair the devastation caused by cat overpopulation, abuse and abandonment would be willing to choose slight or moderate inconveniences over medically unnecessary onychectomies. But, hey, it takes all types...
 
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