Just_myles
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Can't people already have twins whenever they want? I thought a process for that already existed. If so, then this isn't too surprising with us basically almost unlocking stem cells.
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Designer babies are coming sooner than you think
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NHarmonic.
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But a part of being a father/mother (not applying this to adoption, of course) is watching how do the phenotypical characteristics combine on your progeny, right? You could only get THAT far i think, but getting a completely different child would be weird. Maybe the eye colour if it was a recessive gene hidden on the code?
If we ignore all the stuff about editing superficial stuff like hair color and the ability to produce offspring from skin cells, he does make a compelling argument for editing out dispositions to diseases.
It's true that producing a generation of people who are much less likely to have health problems will probably save the health care system a whole lot of trouble and expenses as those people age. It makes a ton of sense in the long run.
I'm all for editing out genetic diseases and dispositions things like cancer, but I don't think we should edit things such as appearance to be whatever you want it to be.
Having said that, it'll probably happen eventually anyway.
It's true that producing a generation of people who are much less likely to have health problems will probably save the health care system a whole lot of trouble and expenses as those people age. It makes a ton of sense in the long run.
I'm all for editing out genetic diseases and dispositions things like cancer, but I don't think we should edit things such as appearance to be whatever you want it to be.
Having said that, it'll probably happen eventually anyway.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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The only reality here.
"Designer" is, I think, the wrong word to use in the title. The excerpted quote is about selection not design. That is, this strategy of creating a bunch of embryos and then testing them all only allows you to produce a baby with, say, blue eyes, if the two genetic donors have blue eyes or both carry recessive traits for blue eyes. This isn't about gene editing.
It's the same basic thought (improvement of the human race), but it's the methodology where they differ, and it's a crucial difference, for obvious reasons.
Laws won't stop this, as those with the means will simply go visit a country that provides those services. Plus I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't try to forbid it anyway, as the potential gains are simply too great.
Eugenics had the big ethical issue of affecting the living, with sterilization and/or enforcing who can reproduce with who.
This is about improving the genetical traits and thus lives of the unborn, and I assume it's up to the will of the parents.
That's surely more ethical than abortion (for the record, I'm pro choice), which is ironically more effective than eugenics ever were.
wesleyshark
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I want my sons to be big and strong and have massive dicks
Goldenmoney
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This could be the next big social issue in the world. I can totally see "natural" people being resentful and prejudiced against "designed" people.
Seraph_Nicholas
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Well, we need SOMETHING to replace natural selection.
cpp_is_king
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Sounds amazing, I only hope to live long enough to see it
God Dayumm
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And let China and India be superior in all aspects when they go balls deep into these technologies?
At least this one trickles down as us fuglies will either assimilate with the designer babies by interbreeding or silently be bred out.
The other social issue being of course automation. I can picture an utopia where A.I. design human babies with perfect features and intelligence to coexist peacefully together
If this were available to every income bracket then I'd be totally down for this. A society free of disease and mental disorders?! Holy fuck that'd be great and totally utopian.
With that said, that is absolutely where this is not going. It's going to be the rich getting the greatest treatment and the scales will further be weighed on their side. This is going to create such an ugly future.
If any of those people actually develop in any sort of direction towards participating in the porn industry. For all we know they might never go that route.
With that said, that is absolutely where this is not going. It's going to be the rich getting the greatest treatment and the scales will further be weighed on their side. This is going to create such an ugly future.
If any of those people actually develop in any sort of direction towards participating in the porn industry. For all we know they might never go that route.
Already Torn
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The funny thing is that genes can get you so far... I wonder how many unhealthy parents will raise their children to be unhealthy despite better genes and then demand a refund?
My sons can go to hell, I want to be big and strong and have a massive dick. If I have to choose just one, I'll take the massive dick, so I'll be waiting for a pill that can instantly do that. Pick up the pace, science.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
How many examples are there of initially expensive medical treatments that haven't become more affordable after 15 years?
How many examples are there of initially expensive medical treatments that have become more affordable and even routine after 15 years?
Early adopters...or perhaps "beta testers", if you will.
Head of Vengarl
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I for one welcome our new designer human overlords.
SneakyStephan
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How long before embryos start being selected on genetic traits that make them have more docile personalities or have a tendency to be good worker drones?
Then further based on productivity, maybe ones that need less sleep or are more stress resistant?..
Then further based on productivity, maybe ones that need less sleep or are more stress resistant?..
Already Torn
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Those are all generally favorable character traits.
wesleyshark
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God Dayumm
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I wonder how far can stem cells go in the regeneration and enhancement of limbs
PanicFreak
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I think male pattern baldness is a thing of the past! LOL
Maybe science has gone too far. People who already won the genetic lottery would stay winning. This would finally settle the nature versus nurture debate though.
Maybe science has gone too far. People who already won the genetic lottery would stay winning. This would finally settle the nature versus nurture debate though.
It's a safe bet these will be commonly selected traits. Natural born males will have a distinct disadvantage.
cpp_is_king
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Imagine how fast we'll approach the singularity if everyone in the world is smart by design, and then you breed two of those smart people to create another smart person, and the only genes that ever mix are two really smart people. A couple of generations later the world will be like 7 billion geniuses, and we can solve all the worlds problems.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Rich people will just go to some country where this will not be strictly regulated. As soon as the technology is there and is reliable enough, there's no law that will ever be able to stop this from happening.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Every time you use a jar of stem cells as lube to jack off, an angel loses its halo.
Rentahamster
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It'll be a lot cheaper to make robots do it than to breed an army of worker humans.
Robots will blow past the intelligence curve way before we ever can.
Sure, but it'll still be good to have geniuses who can understand a bit of what the robots are doing.
cpp_is_king
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Maybe the humans will become the robots. Cyborg style.
We'll probably die out without diversity.
There was an Outer Limits episode about this, where most babies were born genetically perfect but there was a miniscule chance they would be murderous psychopaths with super strength. Gary Cole had one and had to keep him locked in the basement. I think he was also a detective whose job was to hunt down the super people and kill them or something.
Clearly we should learn the lessons of 90s TV and ban science.
Clearly we should learn the lessons of 90s TV and ban science.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm totally down with uploading my brain into a sexy robot when by body is too weak to get it on properly.
Yeah. Supermodel looking women would propably be common as well, leaving natural born females far in the dust as well. At least natural born men and women can be miserable and inadequate together. Might actually unite the natural born women and men in an unprecedented way since they would have resentment for the same group of people
Familienoberhauptvogel
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If I wanted a genius baby why would I search in my own gene pool?
Orbis Tabula
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Man, if people can make eperfecr designer babies, than seen everyone will be as perfect as me! That's bullshit, I can't get behind this.
I am 100% behind this. Screw your vague ethical concerns.
Head of Vengarl
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Good luck, there will be thousands of them.
Sounds like an asshole, but yeah, I'll be Dexter Saint Jock.
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