And not just single use - but also per piece. So it doesn't do your whole outfit now.
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Destiny 2's Microtransactions Devour Shaders by Jim Sterling
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And not just single use - but also per piece. So it doesn't do your whole outfit now.
So the big issue is that they are consumables I'm assuming (which does suck I haven't actually used any shaders because they are consumables.) I personally will never buy anything from this game but, the day they make shaders not consumables I can throw em something.
PhantomThief
Banned
They were in D1 too
Don't give them any ideas
It's interesting that they threw out a design principle of Destiny 1 (shaders applied to an entire outfit to assure visual cohesion / no clashing colours) to pull this off.
Never played Destiny and don't know much about it other than headlines, but after watching this video the gameplay looks dull as fuck.
Most of the video consists of these red hulking baddies with dumb as shit AI continuously throwing themselves at you while you run around boxes and do 3 things - force push, shoot, and reload. Please tell me there's more to what's supposedly one of the most popular gaming franchises out there today.
Most of the video consists of these red hulking baddies with dumb as shit AI continuously throwing themselves at you while you run around boxes and do 3 things - force push, shoot, and reload. Please tell me there's more to what's supposedly one of the most popular gaming franchises out there today.
RecRoulette
Member
Really interested to see how it works for Raid Shaders, also if events like Iron Banner require you to have a shader to complete event bounties.
PhantomThief
Banned
Shootbang with friends!
All about the money !
Admiral Woofington
Member
Bungie, for the love of all that is holy please change this shit.
I don't have my hopes up that a single item seller will appear on the game to buy exactly what you want, but af the very least make shaders appear more often in game and make them be multiple use.
How fucking scummy can you get with your audience.
I don't have my hopes up that a single item seller will appear on the game to buy exactly what you want, but af the very least make shaders appear more often in game and make them be multiple use.
How fucking scummy can you get with your audience.
Yui's Empire
Member
I wouldn't even be mad, Blur is awesome.
OminoMichelin
Member
Again, not up to bungie to change shit.
Hypereides
Member
Im honestly beginning to question those who defend cosmetic microtransactions. The default you dont have to buy it argument, is starting to sound fragile and hollow. Its like a pre-emptive automated PR response.
Those who buy these games are knowingly or passively endorsing games with such features as a viable practice and product. Slowly and steady theyre expecting consumers to accept these business practices, and its starting to leak into other gameplay-centric aspects. Its like a gradual Trojan horse.
At some point youll potentially be paying for a healthbar refill. If that happens, will you still be content with that same argument?
Those who buy these games are knowingly or passively endorsing games with such features as a viable practice and product. Slowly and steady theyre expecting consumers to accept these business practices, and its starting to leak into other gameplay-centric aspects. Its like a gradual Trojan horse.
At some point youll potentially be paying for a healthbar refill. If that happens, will you still be content with that same argument?
GametimeUK
Member
When Jim argues against people saying cosmetic microtransactions don't change the game he actually misses the point and argues against a point nobody is actually making.
We all know cosmetics can be enjoyable, but when people say "change the game" I think they are talking about the balance of the weapons in terms of damage or doesn't give you any stat boosts etc. That's what they mean.
Now I'm not saying loot boxes and cosmetic microtransactions should exist, but it is frustrating to see him argue against a point that that nobody is really making.
And yes, cosmetic skins don't alter the your characters or weapons performance I games like Overwatch and Destiny and that is a fact.
(I must make it clear I hate all this DLC trash and I'm not being an advocate... but if you're going to counter argue a subject then do it correctly)
We all know cosmetics can be enjoyable, but when people say "change the game" I think they are talking about the balance of the weapons in terms of damage or doesn't give you any stat boosts etc. That's what they mean.
Now I'm not saying loot boxes and cosmetic microtransactions should exist, but it is frustrating to see him argue against a point that that nobody is really making.
And yes, cosmetic skins don't alter the your characters or weapons performance I games like Overwatch and Destiny and that is a fact.
(I must make it clear I hate all this DLC trash and I'm not being an advocate... but if you're going to counter argue a subject then do it correctly)
martino
Member
Great idea...can't come soon enougth
PhantomThief
Banned
Probably the one thing you can blame Bungie for is that they kept this a "secret" till launch.
texhnolyze
Banned
It is what it is. F2P elements are merging into $60 games. Little by little, one by one, gradually.
Slow.. but sure.
PhantomThief
Banned
Unless we as gamers push back.
If you push back, you're a hater.
Yeah well, "it could be worse" isn't really a great argument to begin with.
This. I don't know why it isn't considered gambling-lite. Granted gacha games are huge and it's what these are turning into. I loathe this shit and it's indefensible because cosmetics are 100% part of the gameplay loop and are often integral to (my) enjoyment of the game long-term. I wanna look cool! I won't pay to look cool!
I mean, online passes aren't a thing anymore
SomedayTheFire
Member
Because you're "guaranteed" to win something. Therefore it isn't gambling.
Now that's just hyperbolic BS. What right is being violated over shaders lol?
I mean, I'd rather this not be happening, but let's all just realize we talkin' about shaders. Shaders!
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
consumable shaders is truly next level hustle
GametimeUK
Member
I'm not making that argument if that's what you're implying.
Blows my mind that they did not simply create a massive collection of permanent shaders and just allow you to get duplicates time to time...
In 2-3 months (maybe less), we will likely have our first "Event" of time-limited items that can ONLY be acquired through Loot Cra- ahem - Bright Engrams, enticing people to spend $20-30 on them.
And then we will still need to play for the DLCs.
Oh, and what does the Season Pass get you again?
In 2-3 months (maybe less), we will likely have our first "Event" of time-limited items that can ONLY be acquired through Loot Cra- ahem - Bright Engrams, enticing people to spend $20-30 on them.
And then we will still need to play for the DLCs.
Oh, and what does the Season Pass get you again?
I wasn't, but I'm glad you're not.
"Destiny without most of the old bullshit but also with some new bullshit"
Felix Lighter
Member
The actual worst of it is they are just opening up all revenue streams with absolutely no benefit to the players. They aren't using microtransactions to fund further development of new content. They are selling that separately. There isn't a way to justify chipping away at the game so they can resell it as microtransactions in this case. Consumers see absolutely no benefit. Players pay for the base game and the DLC while they convert ingame items to consumables with the sole purpose to sell them as microtransactions, hoping players will have to come back again and again to get what they want.
rakkadakka
Member
So when I first heard about this I imagined them as similiar to the D3 dying system...
How difficult are the shaders to get in game?
How difficult are the shaders to get in game?
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
Banned
As someone who thinks Overwatch is tangibly and negatively affected by its microtransactions I have obviously nothing but scorn for games that push the boat even further.
It's a shame that companies are just pushing as far as they think they can go instead of wondering how they're making their games worse with the implementation of these things but as people have said when there's even a staunch amount of support for microtransactions on places like Neogaf then there's not a lot that we can do.
But I still appreciate Jim and others that do shine a light on these things and do the little we can. Cosmetics, crafting, shaders, et all used to be great parts of games now they're just used for exploitation.
It's a shame that companies are just pushing as far as they think they can go instead of wondering how they're making their games worse with the implementation of these things but as people have said when there's even a staunch amount of support for microtransactions on places like Neogaf then there's not a lot that we can do.
But I still appreciate Jim and others that do shine a light on these things and do the little we can. Cosmetics, crafting, shaders, et all used to be great parts of games now they're just used for exploitation.
But what about that great "live team" content everyone loved? Sparrow racing? No? Anyone?
TheVoidDragon
Member
It's a shame that some people will try to defend this, why would you defend this? Just why would you choose this and say it's an alright thing? Even if you don't think it's that bad, i don't see why you'd accept this over the other way it was done. You gain absolutely nothing from this and it's outright a negative thing for players, regardless of if you use it or not i can't think of a single reason why anyone would think this is done for the benefit of the players. The whole "It's cosmetic!" and "Just don't buy them" defenses are more an avoiding of the problem than anything, if you have no explanation for why it's a good thing for players, then that's a good sign it shouldn't be accepted.
I really don't understand this defense of them. They're paid games in the first place, loot boxes would only be what's supporting the game getting more content if they were the only income for it. Unless a game is F2P they aren't "needed" to support the game while it's still making money off of game sales, even less so when it's a hugely successful game in the first place.There's nothing to suggest any casuation between these updates and the microtransactions in a game that's making huge amounts of money off game sales alone.
I really don't understand this defense of them. They're paid games in the first place, loot boxes would only be what's supporting the game getting more content if they were the only income for it. Unless a game is F2P they aren't "needed" to support the game while it's still making money off of game sales, even less so when it's a hugely successful game in the first place.There's nothing to suggest any casuation between these updates and the microtransactions in a game that's making huge amounts of money off game sales alone.