The issue is that people don't finish any games they buy. Look at any other game on your trophy list and I can almost guarantee that the majority of players didn't even make it past the halfway mark. By making raids an endgame activity, you've already guaranteed that most players aren't going to see them at all. 80% of players have never raided, but most of them aren't even still playing the game anyhow.
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Destiny House of Wolves will Have no New Raid
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The issue is that people don't finish any games they buy. Look at any other game on your trophy list and I can almost guarantee that the majority of players didn't even make it past the halfway mark. By making raids an endgame activity, you've already guaranteed that most players aren't going to see them at all. 80% of players have never raided, but most of them aren't even still playing the game anyhow.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
I was an idiot and bought the season pass. They really needed to make this one great to ensure I would buy future DLC and now...well...I'm not so sure.
Unknown Soldier
Banned
PSN trophies count every player who has ever started the game. It would be more interesting to see how many currently active Destiny players completed a raid, and I would argue that's probably a lot higher than 20%. Everyone else has probably quit already.
...Scatter...
Banned
Curious to see what this will be. I'll deserve judgment.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
There hasn't been an upgrade path for legendaries.
Arkage
Banned
Typing in an lfg website doesn't show commitment, it shows utilizing the only available option for the vast majority of players. As a purely random lfg website user for all raiding, I'd bet big money there would be close to no difference in "quality" level if they implemented a tool in game. It's a totally hypothetical argument your making, and meanwhile it's a known fact that grouping with randoms is a major hassle in the game. Hypothetical problems vs. very real problems. The real ones should be addressed first, sorry.
Only 20% of Destiny players on PS4 have completed a raid according to the last time I looked at trophy stats. That's a terrible statistic for a content piece that's supposed to be the single unique pillar of the game.
Yep. There are a couple of GAFFERS who have admitted to not doing any raid cause of the effort of gathering a group. This would definitely cater to that audience.
Orochinagis
Member
Pretty tight moment for them since the raids are no pushing the interest of being completed for the rest of the player base.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Wait is legendary upgrade confirmed?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yes, but no details given.
Whats $40 when it's the only game you play?
Arkage
Banned
The problem is that the only people even playing anymore are those doing end-game content, so expansions should be tailored to their needs. Brand new Destiny players are few and far between, especially ones that bothered to pay for DLC.
JetBlackPanda
Member
At this point it feels like bungie is intentionally making the worst decisions possible for some kind of grand experiment on squandering good will they garnered during the Halo days.
Every time they have a press release or PR statement it gets worse.
This is coming from someone who looooooves Destiny.. I'm talking like 500+ hours over three characters.
Horde mode sounds fucking great but at the expense of the ONE thing that makes Destiny great.
/sigh
Every time they have a press release or PR statement it gets worse.
This is coming from someone who looooooves Destiny.. I'm talking like 500+ hours over three characters.
Horde mode sounds fucking great but at the expense of the ONE thing that makes Destiny great.
/sigh
Cornbread78
Member
Whelp, I guess there is no reason to log back onto it then, what a stupid decision, sorry DestinyGAF.
Fatebringer is an extremely powerful legendary handcannon, which could only be acquired from one boss in the first raid, the Vault of Glass. When Dark Below came out, weapon damage increased for many weapons, but Vault of Glass weapons like Fatebringer were not upgraded. Despite that, Fatebringer has continued to be one of the most highly-regarded weapons in the game, with many player favoring it over newer weapons with higher damage stats. However, some players had concluded that with House of Wolves coming out, it was probably finally going to become obsolete. But if it's getting upgraded, that means it's going to continue to be a beast.
TL;DR - It's been an amazing gun all the way through Dark Below, even though it didn't get upgraded like many other weapons. Now that it's getting upgraded, it's going to continue to be amazing.
I think if they were still under Microsoftt they would never be in this mess. I think Microsoft knew how to keep Bungie in line and know how to use their strengths. Bungie going solo gave them too much freedom.
wesleyshark
Banned
He's probably writing it as we speak.
johnnyquicknives
Member
I wasn't knocking the price. I was meaning that it's not a frivolous $5 purchase so, like you say, the people who are likely to buy it are the people who are spending all their time in the game. That's also most likely to be the people who have completed the raid.
The person I quoted made it seem like it shouldn't matter if theres no raid since so few people have completed it, when really I would expect a far higher number of season pass holders to have completed the raid than people who only own the base game.
Revengineer
Unconfirmed Member
Wut?
Nope. Not even a winkle in my tinkle if there's no raid. No thanks Bungie. Sorry?
EDIT: I can't comprehend this. Does anyone disagree that raids are the best thing going for Destiny?
Nope. Not even a winkle in my tinkle if there's no raid. No thanks Bungie. Sorry?
EDIT: I can't comprehend this. Does anyone disagree that raids are the best thing going for Destiny?
oh god it took me 10 seconds to reply
that's about as much time as it took for bungie to shit the bed today
burritosenior
Member
That would require Bungie's PR team to actually respond to the concerns. Based on recent trends, they will simply refuse to comment for the next couple weeks until they cannot avoid it anymore.
Meanwhile, this Thursday's weekly update will be chalked full of, "You should all be super happy and grateful we gave you a little more vault space, even if it is not enough for the purposes people want it for."
Wow, do I have a buyers remorse with the Season Pass. This would need unbelievably good story missions to make up for no new raid and what sounds like hoard mode. And I don't exactly trust them to do it; this Bungie is not made up of the same people that comprised the original Halo trilogy.
Fixed that for you. Modern gaming seems to be trending towards such price points. At least I know to save my money for games like Battlefront and some such this holiday.
Fixed that for you. Modern gaming seems to be trending towards such price points. At least I know to save my money for games like Battlefront and some such this holiday.
SmartWaffles
Member
Creativity bankrupt at its finest.
Says the person who still cares enough to make another reply.
Seriously, Destiny as the game remains to be a hot topic. Front page twitch, Gaf OTs, Xur articles on gaming sites, etc.; all for a game that people claimed would've died six months after release. People care.
Doctor m3ds
Neo Member
It's weird. Having a horde style mode is something that could actually bring me back in, so it's surprising to me how disappointed people are over no raid. I guess I didn't realize how important that had become for people. Something that feels less scripted and a bit more dynamic with waves of defense actually sounds enticing to me, then again, I never did do a raid.
SolicitorPirate
Member
As much as I shit on Destiny, I've always felt sorry for Deej.
I mean, what do you do in his position? The guys developing the actual content are adamant on refusing to meaningfully address community concerns and you're the guy who has to sell it to players that this is somehow a good thing.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Yeah that's what I'm saying. Why not both?
Bungie/activision have consistently dissapointed when it comes to delivering content. They keep lowering the bar and the dedicated playerbase expects less and less. It's kind of sad really
Im sure those numbers are inflated. A lot of people who had never even seen 90% of VOG were running around with Vex Mythoclasts thanks to the atheon cheese. All those who cheesed got the raid completion trophy. I personally know two people who never did a raid and have that trophy
MasterMongoose
Member
I don't hate the game like so many others did, but man, it did sell like 6 million+ on next gen. That alone and the lack of real shooter/RPG competition (there's what, Advanced Warfare and Dragon Age..? And Battleifeld/Titanfall? Not a stellar list for two systems) makes it easier for it to stay current.
In essence, the two most popular genres of console gaming have such a small selection on next gen that its bewildering.
I just wish Bungie had incorporated Co-Op more naturally with strangers and such. That, and the pricing of the DLC in general is crazy.
HawksWinStanley
Member
I'm genuinely embarrassed for buying the season pass. Lesson learned, that's the last time I buy a season pass til i know exactly what the content entails. I'm far from a Destiny apologist but I have had a lot of fun with the game. It's definitely lacking in content though and not having another raid is a bit of a kick to the crotch for season pass buyers imo.
I think I'm finally done with Destiny. Too many good games will be out by the time Comet comes out and I've already thrown enough money at this game.
I think I'm finally done with Destiny. Too many good games will be out by the time Comet comes out and I've already thrown enough money at this game.
Stealth_Cobra
Member
So basically, they sold people a season pass that consisted of mostly on disk DLC missions you could access by glitcing in walls with your sparrow from day one, with the promise of cool, exciting raids with each expansion ... Yet when it comes to actually delivering one quality raid per expansion, it seems it's too much for them to accomplish ? C'mon, they had months to develop a new Raid, they have litterally no excuse for not providing one asides from lasyness !
People play Destiny for the Raid.. I mean, it's litterally the only true endgame content, but when it comes to their end of the bargain, mainly providing a single raid per expansion to keep players occupied, they can't even do this right...
I mean, let's face it, It took people like half a day to complete the new story missions in The Dark Below, then it was all about the Raid...
Cause nobody cares about the new strikes and missions that much. You do them once just to unlock them, then you're forced to repeat them for bounties and dailies till all fun is sucked out of them anyway.
I actually think it's all about them being really cheap. They figured the hardcore fanbase already have the season pass anyway, so they are not making any profit by giving them a Raid... And very few "new buyers" would buy the expansion this late in the game, so might as well provide the bare minimum to season pass owners and keep all the cool, exciting content for Destiny : Comet... Cause that's where new money will be made... Hopefully this will backfire on them and they might realise you can't treat your fanbase like this...
We paid money for content, most of which was avialable in some form on disk from day one... At the very least provide us with new raids with each expansion.
People play Destiny for the Raid.. I mean, it's litterally the only true endgame content, but when it comes to their end of the bargain, mainly providing a single raid per expansion to keep players occupied, they can't even do this right...
I mean, let's face it, It took people like half a day to complete the new story missions in The Dark Below, then it was all about the Raid...
Cause nobody cares about the new strikes and missions that much. You do them once just to unlock them, then you're forced to repeat them for bounties and dailies till all fun is sucked out of them anyway.
I actually think it's all about them being really cheap. They figured the hardcore fanbase already have the season pass anyway, so they are not making any profit by giving them a Raid... And very few "new buyers" would buy the expansion this late in the game, so might as well provide the bare minimum to season pass owners and keep all the cool, exciting content for Destiny : Comet... Cause that's where new money will be made... Hopefully this will backfire on them and they might realise you can't treat your fanbase like this...
We paid money for content, most of which was avialable in some form on disk from day one... At the very least provide us with new raids with each expansion.
jizzlobber
Member
As long as they bump up the level cap the drones will have something to obsess over.
Eighty Deuce
Banned
Bioware redeems itself and bungie shits the bed. What fucking bizarro world do we live in?
Goodacre0081
Member
if Bungie isn't giving us a Raid next expansion then the least they could do is add level 34 versions of VoG and CE to the game
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Looks like Destiny might become a dormant game soon, 1 thing that made people come back and play was the Raid end game portion
I was waiting on news about HoW, looks like Bungie doing a swerve and trying to wrangle in the casual base with what looks Luke horde mode with raid lute mechanics
Will give it a try once I'm out of the hospital, looks like I might have to get my mmo fix from ffxiv again when the new Heavensward expansion drops in June
You would thi k Bungie would want retention of gamers and do everything in their power to keep the community satiated like how COD does it. They almost look like they are sabotaging themselves to makes players leave their game. Usually devs try to foster and expand their revenue intake, not contract and break up what they built up
I'm a die hard as they come to Destiny, but this might be a curtain call for the foreseeable future for me
That Horde mode better be spectacular in nature, if it's just waves while ghost scans ala missions, then Bungie will be a dev who failed upwards after releasing a brand new IP
I was waiting on news about HoW, looks like Bungie doing a swerve and trying to wrangle in the casual base with what looks Luke horde mode with raid lute mechanics
Will give it a try once I'm out of the hospital, looks like I might have to get my mmo fix from ffxiv again when the new Heavensward expansion drops in June
You would thi k Bungie would want retention of gamers and do everything in their power to keep the community satiated like how COD does it. They almost look like they are sabotaging themselves to makes players leave their game. Usually devs try to foster and expand their revenue intake, not contract and break up what they built up
I'm a die hard as they come to Destiny, but this might be a curtain call for the foreseeable future for me
That Horde mode better be spectacular in nature, if it's just waves while ghost scans ala missions, then Bungie will be a dev who failed upwards after releasing a brand new IP
theAntagonist
Member
The amount of overreaction and plain hatred towards the game in this thread is hilarious to me. They haven't even shown off what exactly the mode entails, how it operates, and how people are rewarded for playing it and there is people saying that they're going to 'delete the game off of their harddrives' and that they 'feel embarrassed for buying the season pass/DLC'. How about you all wait and see how exactly the mode works before you go and spew your hyperbolic claims that everyone seems to love to do about this game?
The amount of hatred toward this game is incredible! I've played over 14 days of the game solely for the PvP because guess what? I find it incredibly fun. I guess that would come as a complete shock to 90% of the people in this thread.
The amount of hatred toward this game is incredible! I've played over 14 days of the game solely for the PvP because guess what? I find it incredibly fun. I guess that would come as a complete shock to 90% of the people in this thread.
Great. You like the pvp. Many of the people that play this game only still play it for the raid. You aren't one of them so you can be happy.
Congratulations?
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
There's a lot of warranted hate and general disappointment for Destiny. They truly promised to much when the game was revealed, and consistently have proved how little content they can offer. It's quite crazy to me because with the amount of money their studio seemingly would have access to, they've failed to deliver a game of that AAA calibre. I like the game, but it's not what was promised. Not even close.
HalfBakedProphet
Member
you're getting value as a PvP player. New guns, maps, armor. If I was you, I'd probably be excited for the expansion.
I, however, loved 6 player co-op. I'm not a fan of PvP. Raids were the main event for a segment of the fan base. 3 player horde mode isn't a suitable replacement. As a PvE guy, this news doesn't cut it. Hence, disappointment