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Destiny The Taken King starring Bungie with special guest appearance by Game Informer

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Edit: and they absolutely should have introduced the VoG mechanics throughout other activities. The one raid mechanic you ARE introduced to through the SP is for the boss of the TBD raid.
Also: Defending confluxes from Vex sacrifices is a public event, and is used in two phases of the Vault of Glass (the first one, and at Gatekeeper). And the idea of the time/space portals is used in the campaign (final mission). TBH I think that's about the right balance as the raid needs to incorporate new mechanics of its own.
 

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I'm not hyped for TTK PvP that new hunter move looks more annoying than blink shotgun.
Except for that follow up melee it looks a lot harder to reliably aim at an enemy after that animation and with the angle you end up looking at. And since that class doesn't have QuickDraw, it won't be as offensively broken as Blink is.

It looks amazing defensively though.
 

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Ok guys I have a few questions:

I haven't played Destiny since October last year. I was like level 16 or so. My main beef was that the game wanted me to grind grind grind to make progress and upgrading my equipment after level 20 sounded like I would need to run around collecting spin metal and green orbs and stuff. That did not sound fun at all so I dropped out. I should also note that I never liked the Crucible stuff that much.

I DID enjoy the gunplay. A lot! Big open areas invited sniping like Halo used to have years ago. You could clear out a ton of enemies from really far away and I really liked that! But, the number of missions seemed pretty low and I got turned off by grinding and a little bit how pretentious it kind of felt.

So if I wanted to get back into Destiny, would my problems from before be addressed? Would there still be the need to go collect all that shit on the planets? Would I still need to play Crucible because XP comes so much faster that way? Or would it be enough to simply play missions and enjoy a solid feeling of progress that way?

Also, what's the best way to buy the game now? I sold my disc version so I would need the entire package again.

Thanks in advance!
 

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I'm not hyped for TTK PvP that new hunter move looks more annoying than blink shotgun.
Nah. Honestly, it looks a lot slower than I expected, and that makes me feel good about it. Plus, since it pulls the player out into 3rd person, it'll have some natural drawbacks to it.

Something I am sort of dissapointed about here is the lack of world usage in these new PvP maps. Going down the list we hae

  • Earth
  • Earth
  • Mars
  • Earth
  • Reef
  • Saturn
  • Earth
  • Mercury

Literally half the maps on Earth. Not 1 new map on the Moon or Venus.

The total tally puts this at:
9 maps on Earth
7 maps on Mars/Phobos
3 maps on Luna
3 maps on Venus
2 maps on Mercury
1 map on the Reef
1 map near Saturn

I mean, I get that the Reef and Saturn are newer locations and would naturally have fewer PvP maps, but why is Earth and Mars hogging all the glory? That's a pretty big gap there.
 

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Ok guys I have a few questions:

I haven't played Destiny since October last year. I was like level 16 or so. My main beef was that the game wanted me to grind grind grind to make progress and upgrading my equipment after level 20 sounded like I would need to run around collecting spin metal and green orbs and stuff. That did not sound fun at all so I dropped out. I should also note that I never liked the Crucible stuff that much.

I DID enjoy the gunplay. A lot! Big open areas invited sniping like Halo used to have years ago. You could clear out a ton of enemies from really far away and I really liked that! But, the number of missions seemed pretty low and I got turned off by grinding and a little bit how pretentious it kind of felt.

So if I wanted to get back into Destiny, would my problems from before be addressed? Would there still be the need to go collect all that shit on the planets? Would I still need to play Crucible because XP comes so much faster that way? Or would it be enough to simply play missions and enjoy a solid feeling of progress that way?

Also, what's the best way to buy the game now? I sold my disc version so I would need the entire package again.

Thanks in advance!
1. Level is no longer tied to fear. You'll level up by gaining XP. This still is a little grindy, as the best way to do it is by completing rather repetitive bounties.
2. New weapons and armor have waaaaay fewer upgrade nodes. Moreover, each of these requires fewer materials. Also, these materials are no longer locked behind planetary farming - you can just buy them with marks.
3. Best way to buy would be the Legendary edition. US$60 for base Destiny + TDB + HoW + Taken King.

Even the base campaign is getting slightly re worked. And you'll get a character boost to take one character to the level required for Taken King activities. It's a good moment to get back in.
 

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1. Level is no longer tied to fear. You'll level up by gaining XP. This still is a little grindy, as the best way to do it is by completing rather repetitive bounties.
2. New weapons and armor have waaaaay fewer upgrade nodes. Moreover, each of these requires fewer materials. Also, these materials are no longer locked behind planetary farming - you can just buy them with marks.
3. Best way to buy would be the Legendary edition. US$60 for base Destiny + TDB + HoW + Taken King.

Even the base campaign is getting slightly re worked. And you'll get a character boost to take one character to the level required for Taken King activities. It's a good moment to get back in.
Nice! That all sounds pretty appealing. We just got a dog so my hopes for an Xbone and Halo 5 are out for this year. I'm hoping I can scratch that itch by revisiting Destiny :)
 

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Ok guys I have a few questions:

I haven't played Destiny since October last year. I was like level 16 or so. My main beef was that the game wanted me to grind grind grind to make progress and upgrading my equipment after level 20 sounded like I would need to run around collecting spin metal and green orbs and stuff. That did not sound fun at all so I dropped out. I should also note that I never liked the Crucible stuff that much.

I DID enjoy the gunplay. A lot! Big open areas invited sniping like Halo used to have years ago. You could clear out a ton of enemies from really far away and I really liked that! But, the number of missions seemed pretty low and I got turned off by grinding and a little bit how pretentious it kind of felt.

So if I wanted to get back into Destiny, would my problems from before be addressed? Would there still be the need to go collect all that shit on the planets? Would I still need to play Crucible because XP comes so much faster that way? Or would it be enough to simply play missions and enjoy a solid feeling of progress that way?

Also, what's the best way to buy the game now? I sold my disc version so I would need the entire package again.

Thanks in advance!
Most of these systems have undergone big changes, and in general you'll find the grind greatly reduced. As an example:

Planetary mats have new sources. They drop for doing daily Heroic story missions and patrol bounties, among other places. If you are short and don't have them, you can buy 20 of any type for 10 Vanguard marks. They also reduced the number needed per weapon/armor node from 16 to 5. Most folks are drowning mats now (something likely to be re-balanced with TTK.)

There's still some grinding in the sense that progression through factions and leveling gear is made running content through many times (play Crucible, strikes, etc.) but the repetitiveness is being addressed in several ways. The first is just volume of content: Destiny shipped with 6 strikes (on PSN). With TTK and the other two DLC's in the mix, it has 13 (12 on Xbox), plus three variations of prior strikes. They're also working to make the new stuff hold up better to replays. For instance the new strikes have alternating branches, encounters and dialogue that are randomly chosen as you go, so they are less repetitive. They also feature some mechanics (what Bungie calls "raid-lite") so there is more strategy to the bosses than just dealing damage.

This is the general approach applied across all of TTK, from what we know so far.
 

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Most of these systems have undergone big changes, and in general you'll find the grind greatly reduced. As an example:

Planetary mats have new sources. They drop for doing daily Heroic story missions and patrol bounties, among other places. If you are short and don't have them, you can buy 20 of any type for 10 Vanguard marks. They also reduced the number needed per weapon/armor node from 16 to 5. Most folks are drowning mats now (something likely to be re-balanced with TTK.)

There's still some grinding in the sense that progression through factions and leveling gear is made running content through many times (play Crucible, strikes, etc.) but the repetitiveness is being addressed in several ways. The first is just volume of content: Destiny shipped with 6 strikes (on PSN). With TTK and the other two DLC's in the mix, it has 13 (12 on Xbox), plus three variations of prior strikes. They're also working to make the new stuff hold up better to replays. For instance the new strikes have alternating branches, encounters and dialogue that are randomly chosen as you go, so they are less repetitive. They also feature some mechanics (what Bungie calls "raid-lite") so there is more strategy to the bosses than just dealing damage.

This is the general approach applied across all of TTK, from what we know so far.

Thanks for the additional info! I'm liking the sound of all this. :)
 

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Did I misread it somewhere, or if you buy the digital collector's version do you get access to the existing DLC now? I can't seem to find that.
 

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Have they talked about The Trials of Osiris at all? I really hope they update it with new gear.

We've seen screenshots of new Trials gear here and there, but nothing direct yet.

I also believe we heard somewhere that when TTK launches Iron Banner and Trials will go on a month-ish hiatus while everyone gets settled.
 

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We've seen screenshots of new Trials gear here and there, but nothing direct yet.

I also believe we heard somewhere that when TTK launches Iron Banner and Trials will go on a month-ish hiatus while everyone gets settled.

That totally makes sense since it is considered endgame pvp. I'm just really happy to hear that it will stay relevant.
 

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Okay, okay, wait.

When you say "codes" do you mean a slip of paper in the box with the codes on it or a direct link from within the game?

Because I really wanted to rent this from Gamefly but if the code is with the box then I'd essentially just be renting Destiny again. And fuck that. And fuck actually buying the Legendary Edition. Not gonna risk getting burnt by this game again.

You expected to rent an expansion pack for what's essentially an MMO? Really?

Also: Defending confluxes from Vex sacrifices is a public event, and is used in two phases of the Vault of Glass (the first one, and at Gatekeeper). And the idea of the time/space portals is used in the campaign (final mission). TBH I think that's about the right balance as the raid needs to incorporate new mechanics of its own.

Ah, good call on those; not sure how I skipped em.

On second thought, I guess that leaves only the disappearing platforms and relic that were new, and that's probably OK. Maybe a relic PE would have been a good add.
 

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Didn't think it'd ever happen, but I'm feeling the pull to give Destiny another shot. Some of this stuff is looking pretty good. Also, that Luke Smith Q&A in the OP is great.

Will there be a giant story twist coming in the Destiny storyline?

I don't know what that means.

A plot twist-

Yeah, the twist is that there's a story in there.

Oh really?

I'm tryin' something different

I will always love Luke Smith.
 

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I already own a retail copy of Destiny, but none of the DLC. Is the Legendary Edition the best "solution" for me? Sorry if this has been brought up already in the topic.
 

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I already own a retail copy of Destiny, but none of the DLC. Is the Legendary Edition the best "solution" for me? Sorry if this has been brought up already in the topic.

Basically.

You can then trade in your old copy and maybe get a couple of bucks for it.

Or give it to a friend as an elaborate demo so they can try it out.
 

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I already own a retail copy of Destiny, but none of the DLC. Is the Legendary Edition the best "solution" for me? Sorry if this has been brought up already in the topic.

Mathematically, yes.

Buy the Amazon physical copy of TTK LE and trade in your vanilla Destiny disc. This should get you TTK and the 2 previous expansions for about $40 OOP, plus tax & shipping, assuming you're in the US.

Edit: Beaten by Kor. =\
 

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Today's BWU previews the Twitch stream schedule for the rest of what Bungie is revealing before launch. They're cover the new systems (leveling, gear, economy, etc.), strikes, and patrols on the Dreadnaught.


DESTINY YEAR TWO - 19 AUG 2015 - 11AM PDT

How will your own personal highlights from the first year of Destiny translate to the second? What will your Guardian's lifestyle be like in the new and improved Tower? How will your Guardian become a more powerful snowflake over the course of your next journey? Is it true that Character Level and Light will rise in exciting new ways? All will be revealed and explained.

Pro-Tip: Don’t dismantle anything until the full developer briefing.


STRIKE THE DREADNAUGHT – 26 AUG 2015 - 11AM PDT

What’s it like to infiltrate the Dreadnaught? What surprises do the Taken have for us in combat? How are boss battles different in The Taken King? Join us for a new Strike against a rival Cabal invasion force. See the new Guardian sub-classes in action. Witness the action that will begin Year Two.


COURT OF ORYX – 2 SEPT 2015 - 11AM PDT

What mysteries lie in wait within the cavernous hull of the Dreadnaught? How can Guardians plunder the treasures secreted away in its hideous labyrinth? Come along with us on a Patrol of the newest destination in your Director. Learn how Guardians can instigate Public Events. Behold the challenges and the rewards that await you on board the capital ship commanded by Oryx.

The HoW streams were pretty fun, looking forward to these.
 

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Today's BWU previews the Twitch stream schedule for the rest of what Bungie is revealing before launch. They're cover the new systems (leveling, gear, economy, etc.), strikes, and patrols on the Dreadnaught.



The HoW streams were pretty fun, looking forward to these.

Same here. This should be in the OP.
 

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I haven't been following destiny since the beta but is there a melee main weapon in the upcoming dlc??
 

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I haven't been following destiny since the beta but is there a melee main weapon in the upcoming dlc??
Nothing confirmed. There's an icon for a weapon that looks strangely like a sword but we haven't had a look at that yet.
 

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Today's BWU previews the Twitch stream schedule for the rest of what Bungie is revealing before launch. They're cover the new systems (leveling, gear, economy, etc.), strikes, and patrols on the Dreadnaught.




The HoW streams were pretty fun, looking forward to these.

I will be watching these
 

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It all sounds really overwhelming for someone like me that only played the damn Alpha.

Can this be enjoyable if Im most of the time a lone wolf? Because it will be difficult for me to buy PS+ to play MP in the coming couple of months.

As in I will get my moneys worth by pure single player experience? I do plan on play MP and raids and all that but sometime later and not exclusively.
 

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It all sounds really overwhelming for someone like me that only played the damn Alpha.

Can this be enjoyable if Im most of the time a lone wolf? Because it will be difficult for me to buy PS+ to play MP in the coming couple of months.

As in I will get my moneys worth by pure single player experience? I do plan on play MP and raids and all that but sometime later and not exclusively.

Probably not, nope.
 

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As in I will get my moneys worth by pure single player experience?
Nope.

The stars of the show: strikes, raids, pvp and arena aren't available without PS+/XBL (though you don't need PS+ on the PS3), so you'd be left with campaign missions (the weakest part of the game) and roaming the open world.
 

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It all sounds really overwhelming for someone like me that only played the damn Alpha.

Can this be enjoyable if Im most of the time a lone wolf? Because it will be difficult for me to buy PS+ to play MP in the coming couple of months.

As in I will get my moneys worth by pure single player experience? I do plan on play MP and raids and all that but sometime later and not exclusively.

As many people that play Destiny will tell you, If your only doing SP and Solo content it's probably not worth it. I used to think the PvP was great but I just started playing again today and it's a laggy mess.

Although if you never played the game before, right now the solo content will be worth $60 but you will be missing out on Raids, Strikes, Public Events, the Crucible, PoE if you don't have Ps+. If you played the alpha, that's basically the whole game spread over planets. If you like just that part then it is definitely worth it.
 

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On second thought, I guess that leaves only the disappearing platforms and relic that were new, and that's probably OK. Maybe a relic PE would have been a good add.

And in HoW, they added a story mission that included disappearing platforms (not nearly as precise and vertical as what's in VoG, though), as well as a story mission that has you cracking into the first bit of VoG to introduce Oracles.

At this point the only brand new mechanic is the relic and the idea of being marked/cleansing. It would be interesting if a story mission essentially went full-bore MMO and had you play a support/healer role with AI partners while running relic. I played a fair bit of Conjurer/White Mage in FFXIV and several of the job story missions had you actually playing your class with AI buddies in a small-scale battle.

On the other hand, I'm a big proponent of having the raid specifically have brand-new mechanics - otherwise it's all just a greatest hits compilation. I had a VoG run today where I actually ran relic during Templar because my group was cool with it and no one else wanted it - and it was awesome because it was new and unexpected.
 

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Hey GAF, im a day one player. Bought vanilla destiny on disc, and downloaded the dlcs. Now, it looks like im planning to get a second ps4 for in another room. Since i dont feel much for dragging a disc around the house, im planning to go all digital. I guess my best option is the digital legendary TTK? I do wonder if i will have to download everything again, not that that is much of an issue.
 

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Hey GAF, im a day one player. Bought vanilla destiny on disc, and downloaded the dlcs. Now, it looks like im planning to get a second ps4 for in another room. Since i dont feel much for dragging a disc around the house, im planning to go all digital. I guess my best option is the digital legendary TTK? I do wonder if i will have to download everything again, not that that is much of an issue.
I don't know how multiple ps4s work, but I assume you can have everything running at the same time? Then yep, you should be just fine with the $40 TTK download. You don't need the $80 digital collector's edition since you already own the DLC.

You'll have to download it all again, since it works together with TTK.

Edit: Crap, saw you had bought original on disc. Then yes, like said below: I'd find a dirt-cheap used disc of original vanilla Destiny since all of your DLC will cross over. Hell, you might be able to work out a deal here where you get the disc for $10 from someone buying the physical TTK just for the DLC.
 

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Hey GAF, im a day one player. Bought vanilla destiny on disc, and downloaded the dlcs. Now, it looks like im planning to get a second ps4 for in another room. Since i dont feel much for dragging a disc around the house, im planning to go all digital. I guess my best option is the digital legendary TTK? I do wonder if i will have to download everything again, not that that is much of an issue.
You could just get a second disc after TTK comes out. They'll be super cheap.
 

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Hey GAF, im a day one player. Bought vanilla destiny on disc, and downloaded the dlcs. Now, it looks like im planning to get a second ps4 for in another room. Since i dont feel much for dragging a disc around the house, im planning to go all digital. I guess my best option is the digital legendary TTK? I do wonder if i will have to download everything again, not that that is much of an issue.
As far as i know you can set up another PS4 as secomdary console and share your primary bought DLC with it. So you'd just need the base game, no DLC's.
 

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I remember playing the beta then hearing pretty bad things about the retail release so I never got around to getting it.

Should I wait for the Taken King or jump in now?
 

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I remember playing the beta then hearing pretty bad things about the retail release so I never got around to getting it.

Should I wait for the Taken King or jump in now?
TK is a month away, Check the revoews when ot is out and jump in if you like what you see.
 

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As far as i know you can set up another PS4 as secomdary console and share your primary bought DLC with it. So you'd just need the base game, no DLC's.

Yeah, but the thing is that i dont want to have to move the disc around. Im not sure if the secondary ps4 will need the disc, my guess is that it will (hence my 'buying' the digital version)
 
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OK, read the OP (thanks Kor!) and it all sounds quite nice, probably gonna hop back in.

I'm glad to hear Bungie is attempting to address the lack of variety in scenarios, but is this strictly limited to strikes? And are strikes those things you need to be in a squad or whatever in order to play? Will variety be added to the missions outside the strikes?

And how were the expansions?

I'm not a PvP or clan/squad player in the slightest, so I'm coming from a solo/play with random rangers co op point of view.
 

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OK, read the OP (thanks Kor!) and it all sounds quite nice, probably gonna hop back in.

I'm glad to hear Bungie is attempting to address the lack of variety in scenarios, but is this strictly limited to strikes? And are strikes those things you need to be in a squad or whatever in order to play? Will variety be added to the missions outside the strikes?

And how were the expansions?

I'm not a PvP or clan/squad player in the slightest, so I'm coming from a solo/play with random rangers co op point of view.

We're not 100% clear on if the improvements are strike specific or not. We don't know if variety will be added to missions.

The expansions were very unique.

Dark Below was not great at the time. It's "story" is dreadfully short. The PvP maps weren't great. The raid was very interesting, but then people found out how to solo the entire thing.

House of Wolves was much much better. The first time Destiny felt like it has a solid story and world building. PvP maps were good/better. The only downside was the lack of a raid. An arena was put in place of a raid, which is a decent substitution. The arena is fun to play, but the rewards for it are generally terrible in comparison to everything else in the game. The Arena has a lower level matchmaking component to it, so you cant actually see some of that content as a "solo" player.
 
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We're not 100% clear on if the improvements are strike specific or not. We don't know if variety will be added to missions.

The expansions were very unique.

Dark Below was not great at the time. It's "story" is dreadfully short. The PvP maps weren't great. The raid was very interesting, but then people found out how to solo the entire thing.

House of Wolves was much much better. The first time Destiny felt like it has a solid story and world building. PvP maps were good/better. The only downside was the lack of a raid. An arena was put in place of a raid, which is a decent substitution. The arena is fun to play, but the rewards for it are generally terrible in comparison to everything else in the game. The Arena has a lower level matchmaking component to it, so you cant actually see some of that content as a "solo" player.

This excites me.