barneystuta83
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As per the article, Sunset Overdrive will be taking advantage of this also.
Any chance of that TitanFall patch to improve tearing?
Any chance of that TitanFall patch to improve tearing?
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Destiny will not use Kinect, in favor of improved resolution
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rokkerkory
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This is great, let the devs have the option to use what's best.
From what I understand from the clustermuck communication from MS, the 10% reserve was not being used for voice recognition anyway (Xbox, snap etc. etc.), and the reserve was probably for future functionality and/or as a forced incentive to devs to use Kinect, an already lost computational power that they could use for kinect functions.
This should mean destiny will not use things like kinect's head tracking (peek around corners etc etc.) and stuff like that, but things like "Xbox, please stahp!" should continue to work.
This should mean destiny will not use things like kinect's head tracking (peek around corners etc etc.) and stuff like that, but things like "Xbox, please stahp!" should continue to work.
Microsoft has a new vision because they are getting their ass kicked. Make no mistake that if they weren't you wouldn't be seeing these changes. Now Mr. Spencer was not on a pilgrimage to the mountains seeking the path of the true gamer when all the crap was going on. To say he didn't have a hand in the development of the system well that's disingenuous.
Microsoft needed a new strategy and this is it as of now. Kinect wouldn't have been a problem if the console had beefier technical muscle. Unfortunately its damn telling when you have to pull resources from your biggest differentiator compared to the competition.
I would hope that they would try and use it to improve V-Sync and FPS while in Titans and not the resolution.
But if it hit 900p and nabbed VSync I could live with the in Titan frame drops (maybe dynamic resolution back to 792p when in a Titan?)
Yh sounds like something like that might happen which is a bit weird because I was expecting them not to release everything and leave enough for stuff like that. If it works like that there that's a kick to the nuts for early adopters that use kinect a lot for functionality like that.
“Everybody should leave Kinect plugged in,” Spencer explained. “Because as soon as the game isn’t running anymore, you quit the game, you go back to the dash, you are going to have all the great functionality that you ever had.”
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As far has resolution this is what they said might be possible.
"We've been experimenting with making it higher and lower. One of the big tricks is how much ESRAM we're going to use, so we're thinking of not using hardware MSAA and instead using FXAA to make it so we don't have to have this larger render target," Baker told us.
"We're going to experiment. The target is either 1080p non-anti-aliased or 900p with FXAA. We're trying to optimise... we don't want to give up anything for higher res. So far we're not 100 per cent happy with any of the options, we're still working on it. For day one it's not going to change. We're still looking at it for post-day one. We're likely to increase resolution after we ship."
I don´t think so.
The GPU hungry part is the facial / sceleton recognition, not just recording a video ... This is only CPU work
The camera has a much higher margin. Or used to have on the Xbox 360 where people actually bought it separately. Ooops.
The GPU reserve was for many things, according to Microsoft.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...unlock-more-gpu-power-for-xbox-one-developers
Kudos to MS for taking the steps to help out in this area but they are atill fighting a losing battle...there are still large hardware deficiencies that simply cannot be fixed...and they are still hell bent on fighting a resolution war they can't win instead of focusing on what makes the Xbone unique...
Neander
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How is it dead? They freed up resources so devs can use the extra horse power if their game is not utilizing it. Makes sense. The way it was before, the reserve was there even if a game did not utilize Kinect, which in a way, didn't make sense at all. You'll still be able to use Kinect for the system level stuff, or at least that's the way I'm understanding it.
I'm guessing it doesn't really require any actual computation when it's just a capture and stream. From a resource perspective I imagine it's low.
Graphics Horse
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Yeah totally. It's most likely the constant video processing that's being ditched. The thing that signs people in when they walk in the room etc.
Hawk269
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I agree. Back before Titanfall came out and they were talking about 900p and even 1080p, I said the same thing. Give me a solid 60fps and no tearing first, if you can do that "AND" increase resolution, then I am all for it. But if it is one or the other, I would take locked 60 and no screen tearing over an increase in resolution.
I'd like to see what exactly this means. I'd assumed this was never coming (especially not this quickly) because it would still be needed for all the uses that allow for Kinect during a game even when the game itself doesn't use it. For example (I don't use Skype or Xbox in general, so this may not be possible in the first place) what about Skype calls during a game? Or using snap and having navigation/other apps requiring the camera? Previously I just figured that was why the power was reserved in the first place.
The power gap is due to their memory choices. Kinect never necessitated ESRAM. They fucked this up completely independently.
The issue is that now it's looking like the Kinect functionality will mainly be for core system functionality. There's now incentive for developers to NOT develop Kinect functions due to getting more power out of the system, and because of the Kinectless SDK there's no guarantee of a "Kinect with every system," so exclusive games that utilize the Kinect are even less likely now.
Xbox record that will still work
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/474747401442312192
I'd assume that means all system level commands (xbox go to, xbox volume up, xbox snap, etc) will still work, but I guess we'll see.
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/474747401442312192
I'd assume that means all system level commands (xbox go to, xbox volume up, xbox snap, etc) will still work, but I guess we'll see.
bigboss370
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did Titanfall not already do this?
Do we know how the Kinectless SDK will record? Like, is there a manual option already or is it just "Xbox record that?"
shouldn't have needed ditching, because it should never have been a hard reservation in the first place. But still good that it is going.
If they're keeping system level voice controls (I hope they do), then I wonder if games can still use voice commands for free (or close to free)?
TheClimaxan
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That's good. Xbox record that is my favorite Kinect function. Will be even more so when Halo drops.
How, if this is something that's possible with the June SDK?
justsomeguy
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Woah nelly, that's a hell of a reach. Allowing a title to not care about skeletal/controller tracking and reducing the "conservative" gpu reservation that was in day one is not exactly the same as phasing it out now, is it? There's millions already in the supply chain, too.
More like it's being given the appropriate emphasis: an optional add-on that millions will own and millions won't.
Kinect was almost certainly a centerpiece of 'living room control' and I doubt they'd have gone so big on 'one input' without kinect. Without kinect they may not have made the same investment in a separate win8 OS for the dashboard. Without that requirement the OS overhead may have been reduced to the point where they could have used 4GB ram, meaning GDDR5 may have been back on the table.
bigboss370
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I thought MS freed up alot of things for titanfall specifically. june sdk is those benefits now rolling out to everyone else.
games already get a notification when they are snapped, because they can choose to pause the game. So as part of the new SDK, MS will need to update the information so that if developers choose to take back that 10% GPU, they'll need to hand it back when snapped. So they may pause or scale the resolution down etc - I guess it'll be up to them.
LordBaztion
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Ok, I"m concerned that kinect will be disable while the game is running, even if I'm on the home screen. Worst case scenario I would have to close the game to use voice commands again. Midterm, when I'm back to home I can use voice command. Best, voice commands are alwats avaliable when I playing, like now.
Redshirt
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No, it doesn't mean that. Most OS functions don't require the reserve. Some that do are (presumably) Snap, gestures and maybe facial recognition.
Handy Fake
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Out of interest - and for the more technical minded of you...
Say a dev decided to squeeze every last drop of that 10% from the GPU.
In the real world, what exactly would that equate to? And how would it affect resolution considering that the main stumbling block appears to be the ESRAM when it comes to output?
Say a dev decided to squeeze every last drop of that 10% from the GPU.
In the real world, what exactly would that equate to? And how would it affect resolution considering that the main stumbling block appears to be the ESRAM when it comes to output?
LeGourmand
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Soooo, that's the real reason they are removing the kinect, to "win" weird resolution war!
I think if that had been the case the landscape of console gaming would be far more level today. Seems like he's actually listening.
Angelus Errare
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Neat, congrats for XBO owners.
Handy Fake
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I'm not so sure mind. I think the powers that be at Microsoft had already decided on the all-in-one TV box model. Spencer would have had to work a gaming system around that premise rather than instead of it. That'll have been one expensive box.
They're officially encouraging developers to NOT use Kinect when their game isn't designed around it. And nobody will be designing games around it unless sales of the Kinect packin soar and the solo box dies immediately. And...that's not happening. This is as close to abandoning the Kinect as you can get before you start leaving them in baskets are fire stations around the country.
More stable framerate. Some devs might choose to up the resolution. Don't expect 1080p to become common as that's more a limit of the ESRAM.
Or because bundling Kinect was jacking up the price without being enough of a selling point.
Neander
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Well, Dance Central is coming:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-09-esrb-outs-xbox-one-dance-central-spotlight
But that's not really a surprise.