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Deus Ex: HR's PC Preview Build version has leaked
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Riposte said:
Did I say that Fighting games are not mainstream ? No.
I never said they were not mainstream, I was specifically stating that it is one of their favorites genres, regardless of its mainstream status.
And why are people focusing so much on my fighting game reference ? I apologize if you guys felt offended, I'll rephrase my sentence: They only like mainstream games.
And yes, basing the quality of a game on an E3 demo where you have a few minutes to play in a loud, crowded and just stressful environment isn't the best thing to do.
Hell, if they knew that they weren't playing it in the best setting possible, and the demo wasn't representative of the full game, they should just refrain from bad-mouthing both the game and the dev. team.
And talk about double-standards: They raved about Mass Effect 3 and really, what notable improvements were there ? None that I can recall, but they loved Mass Effect 2 so automatically the third one is awesome. Regardless of the demo shown and the amount of time played.
Oh well, the gaming press... You can't expect much from them.
Lostconfused
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Hehe, not bad.
ThoseDeafMutes
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cackhyena said:
The two doing the QL were totally out of their depth, wheover it was.
LOL
No seriously though, I like the voice acting and dialogue. It really isn't corny though I can still see 'what a shame's and 'oh my god jc a bomb' moments happen from time to time. I just know there are going to be gems.
NOW
FOR MY NEXT DILEMMA
Preordering the Augmented Edition
or
Preordering the Collector's Edition
JUST LOOK AT THAT AWESOME COVER!
Difference between the two is probably only the cover and the action figure. And i can buy the augmented for about 35 euros, but the collector is at its cheapest 67 euros :/
No seriously though, I like the voice acting and dialogue. It really isn't corny though I can still see 'what a shame's and 'oh my god jc a bomb' moments happen from time to time. I just know there are going to be gems.
NOW
FOR MY NEXT DILEMMA
Preordering the Augmented Edition
or
Preordering the Collector's Edition
JUST LOOK AT THAT AWESOME COVER!
Difference between the two is probably only the cover and the action figure. And i can buy the augmented for about 35 euros, but the collector is at its cheapest 67 euros :/
Buying the augmented edition
Danne-Danger
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Pretty sure it was Ryan and Vinny, I have bad memories of that too. I think Ryan dove into Civ IV like a month or so before V, by GBs standards, that's a lot of research! He still barely grasped even the basics of the game though.ThoseDeafMutes said:
But this is coming from a guy who read that .pdf guide for IV on Civfanatics very thoroughly.
MNC said:
Yeah, I've written a good pre-order section in the stuff i'm doing for OT. Apparently, this Collector's Edition is only exclusive to major European countries, Australia and New Zealand. Each copy is numbered, it's really gonna be rare. But yeah, the only difference between the augmented edition and CE is the figurine and special box.
Plus since you're in Europe you will get both pre-order "incentive" packs no matter which version you pre-order and no matter from where.
Edit: pressed reply instead of edit hurrr sorry for double post
ThoseDeafMutes
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MNC said:
ThoseDeafMutes
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abunai said:Could always just throw them away, that's what I'm gonna do apart from the Automatic Unlocking Device. Not going to use it, just going to keep it as a sort of precursor to the Multitool
No but I mean, you start with 20,000 credits as well. I suppose I could just buy and sell the same shit over and over until I got down to 0, but it seems awkward. I hope there's an option to start a new game without my bonus stuff.
Dennis, you should make this your next project since you got the glow toggle included.
Danne-Danger
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Yeah, I felt like I had waaay too much money starting out, I went for every hack and every credit chip but I didn't really need to, starting at 0 would make that stuff matter.ThoseDeafMutes said:
Oh and Dennis, bitch about not being able to bind mouse 4-5 as well.
Finally beat it today, thoughts:
I will say to anyone playing: You should play on the give me Deus Ex difficulty. It really enhanced the experience for me, and honestly it was great going down the stealth path on that difficulty, because if I got noticed I got gunned down, very quickly.
It is an exceptionally well made game. Everything about the atmosphere sold me on it being Deus Ex. There is not a thing that felt fucked up. The only thing that was unusual was the boss fight, but even then it was pretty normal and not QTE based finish him shit. I just threw three mines on him, and then a grenade, and he was done, took about 10 seconds. I stealthed my way through most of the content with a maxed cloak and high hacking, and it was fun as hell. This game seems excellent so far, and with the final touches they are putting on it.. well, lets just say that to me, if it keeps up the way it was in the leak, it may end up surpassing the original Deus Ex for me unless something is colossally fucked in the final game.
I will say to anyone playing: You should play on the give me Deus Ex difficulty. It really enhanced the experience for me, and honestly it was great going down the stealth path on that difficulty, because if I got noticed I got gunned down, very quickly.
I don't know, I love Deus Ex, but I feel as if people are viewing it through rose tinted glasses and no sequel could live up to their expectations.dak1dsk1 said:
For me, Human Revolution seems like it will be a worthy sequel and a great game in its own right.
ThoseDeafMutes
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NIN90 said:
Mortal Kombat will get a PC port that has Jensen as the bonus character.
No it isnt. If a game holds up as well as I played it recently than it isnt nostalgia. Im fucking tired of people using that excuse to undermine a game's quality just because the videogame industry has regressed over the past 10 years and it took this long for it to make a game that could match it.
The first time I played deus ex was 2008. you telling me thats nostalgia?
The first time I played deus ex was 2008. you telling me thats nostalgia?
ThoseDeafMutes
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Deadbeat said:
... seriously?
Your nostalgia doesn't just have an impact on your memories. Consider the Halo Effect. If DX1 came out today it would be derided as a piece of garbage, and not just because of the graphics. The only thing that holds up today is the level design; the minute to minute gameplay is not compelling (melee is awful, shooting is awful, hacking is not even a mechanic, lockpicking is holding down a button...), the plot is OK but delivered bloody awfully (with some of the worst voice acting in the history of videogames, half of it is resident evil 1 awful) and the standard controls are so awful you need to spend 10 minutes remapping everything each time you reinstall it. Who fucking thought it would be a good idea to put reload on semicolon, or crouch on X?
In order to enjoy DX1, you must be able to look past layers upon layers of terrible game to get at the kernel of a good game at its center. It is very difficult to do this, especially if you didn't play it when it came out. It's a sacred cow in the PC community and I fully expect pages upon pages of boothisman.gif, but it needs to be said.
I'm sick and tired of people believing that the industry has regressed in the past 10 years. They completely ignore so many improvements. The original Deus Ex has terrible combat mechanics, a broken stealth system, and a lot of other mechanical problems. That doesn't change the fact that I loved the hell out of it, but those issues should not be ignored. There are a LOT of problems with the game.Deadbeat said:
What exactly do you find wrong with this new game?
Again to reiterate: I played Deus Ex the first time in 2008. Explain that nostalgia. I only played system shock 2 in 2007, right before Bioshock.
Please tell me how playing those games so late has somehow added nostalgia.
Please tell me how playing those games so late has somehow added nostalgia.
Missing skills, some more choices like maybe swimming. Otherwise I think its great. It fixes many of the issues Deus Ex 1 had, but doesnt take the means to go beyond that game. I expected HR to be far beyond Deus Ex 1, not just be on the same line.dark10x said:
Danne-Danger
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I do miss Aqualung.Deadbeat said:
You were able to look past shitty, broken play mechanics and enjoy the delicious center these games offered. Those are two of my favorite games (especially SS2), but they are extremely dated in many ways. Modern games have improved dramatically upon their weak points.Deadbeat said:
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
I dunno, I find HR's skills to be much, much deeper, more diverse, and better-balanced than Deus Ex 1's. Yeah, they've been rolled up into the aug system, but this hasn't taken away anything whatsoever.Deadbeat said:
theinfinityissue
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Despite being a pc gaming purist for the most part, I've always hated Deus Ex. Yes, the first one. I just can't stand it, for some reason it bores the hell out of me. I made it through the statue of liberty area and into the game beyond maybe once out of the four of five times I've installed it. So.
Downloaded this thing today since the consensus seems to be that doing so is a-ok, and I will totally post my impressions later without a hint of rose-colored-glasses-syndrome.
Downloaded this thing today since the consensus seems to be that doing so is a-ok, and I will totally post my impressions later without a hint of rose-colored-glasses-syndrome.
If you really want to talk about the regression of gaming elements you only need to mention one title.
X-Com.
Outside of Terrors from the Deep (The diect almost identical gameplay wise sequel that's also well over ten years old) no game has replicated the depth of that experience.
It's still the best designed game ever.
X-Com.
Outside of Terrors from the Deep (The diect almost identical gameplay wise sequel that's also well over ten years old) no game has replicated the depth of that experience.
It's still the best designed game ever.
ThoseDeafMutes said:
I just finished Deus Ex for the first time ever yesterday and I pretty much agree with your points. The level design is great but when you can just break the game by maxing your pistol skill and having a scope + silencer on it. Not to mention the guards who can only see you if you're in a brightly lit area and standing directly in front of them and the bots are even worse. I fully expect to enjoy HR a lot more.
Perhaps this is terminal stage nostalgia speaking, but the clumsiness of Deus Ex is actually one of the reasons I love it. Time needs to pass for that to happen tho because I'm sure few people who heard JILL SANDWICH in 1996 thought it was masterful, but that's a thing people remember with affection now. The camp/kitsch appeal of video games is brought out especially in games like Deus Ex where just about every ludicrous conspiracy theory is mashed together. Same goes for Resident Evil and zombie/horror cliches.
No fan of Deus Ex is going to watch those Eegra voice acting videos and think, man, this really sucks.
And as wrongheaded as it might be, I think camp appeal can include things like graphics and animations as well. What I like about Deus Ex is climbing up the fire escape in Hell's Kitchen and seeing the blocky model of Paul sitting rigidly on that chair. Nostalgia can be a great thing. People are inclined to feel about Deus Ex in certain ways because its qualites inspire it, even if some of those qualities were unintentional and just plain STUPID. I love stupid.
No fan of Deus Ex is going to watch those Eegra voice acting videos and think, man, this really sucks.
And as wrongheaded as it might be, I think camp appeal can include things like graphics and animations as well. What I like about Deus Ex is climbing up the fire escape in Hell's Kitchen and seeing the blocky model of Paul sitting rigidly on that chair. Nostalgia can be a great thing. People are inclined to feel about Deus Ex in certain ways because its qualites inspire it, even if some of those qualities were unintentional and just plain STUPID. I love stupid.
He's right.dark10x said:
For a situation, I played Most of Bioshock 1 and got bored and quit around the Tree fiasco. Then Bioshock 2 came out and I completed that with the verdict of "ehh. It's not terrible". Then A friend suggested System Shock 2 all modded out, which I had been toying with the idea for a while.
I sat down, played it for 8 hours and went to bed dreaming of system shock. I woke up and spent the majority of my dormant thoughts on SS2 for the rest of the week until I finished it.
It was fucking glorious (sans the sort of linear poop ending in the flesh part of the shuttlecraft).
I went on to finish Bioshock 1 and deemed them both trash games in comparison of what was.
A spiritual successor? To this? Fuck your shit. System Shock 2 shits all over your spiritual successor and will probably still shit over Bioshock Infinite.
If anything, it made me a convert and kicked me in the nuts as to how amazing some games used to be, compared to how games are now.
Sure, the combat in newer games is less clunky like in SS2. But everything else I've seen in a large majority of games I've completed or tasted simply aren't the same. Games are lazy lately, and it really shows to me every time I pick one up. Very rarely do games show effort in this way, very rarely do games take me by the throat and slam my proverbial head into the wall.
tl;dr, System Shock 2 GOTY ALL YEARS
Lostconfused
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Symphony of the Night is better.Gvaz said:
Calavera520
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Gvaz said:
I agree. I was deeply disappointed with the Shock moniker on BioShock. It felt nothing like the previous two games. Oh there's an item on the table, well fuck me it's just a bag of chips--but the story is compelling...ugh. In SS2 you could pick up the whole periodic table of elements if you wanted, or a little handheld PDA that played game discs that you would also find in the world. Game mechanics people, this is what makes games compelling.
BioShock isn't a bad game, it just doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as System Shock 1 or 2.
indigo-cyclops
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Deadbeat said:
Have you played the full game or something? We still don't know everything...
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dark10x said:
I don't know about that...
I've been playing through it over the past 10 days or so (22 hours in currently--I think I'm almost done), and it's truly an amazing game.
Playing Human Revolution is what prompted me to play the game, though.
ThoseDeafMutes said:
I remapped like 5 keys once I figured out what they were. It took less than a minute.
Voice acting is mostly terrible, sure, but some of it adds a lot of charm to the game, in my opinion. I'm not quite finished with the game yet, but I think the plot is pretty excellent so far. The minute-to-minute gameplay is plenty of fun, too. I love exploring every nook and cranny of every area and finding shit, while stealthily avoiding enemies or employing creative ways to dispatch them. It's really awesome!
I've got no nostalgia for the game; in fact I had all but dismissed it after trying to play the game multiple times over the years but giving up after trying to play the first mission like a standard shooter.
Riposte
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Couldn't think of a better example than the lack of a Swimming skill? hmmmm
Well, maybe this game won't have as many deep water areas, which was super cool in Deus Ex.
Personally I am bothered by the way the speech skill works in DEHR. Basically it is two(or three skills) in one and it costs twice as much. I ended up "grinding" out the first real level(warehouse) because I wanted to be able to buy it. (Once you buy it you get one of the most interesting conversation systems in videogames.)
Well, maybe this game won't have as many deep water areas, which was super cool in Deus Ex.
Personally I am bothered by the way the speech skill works in DEHR. Basically it is two(or three skills) in one and it costs twice as much. I ended up "grinding" out the first real level(warehouse) because I wanted to be able to buy it. (Once you buy it you get one of the most interesting conversation systems in videogames.)