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[charsace]

I just hope they keep pedo eastereggs out of this one. I know some of you know what I'm talking about.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

I just hope they keep pedo eastereggs out of this one. I know some of you know what I'm talking about.

I don't. Care to explain?

 

[Wowbagger]

It actually has a proper inventory!

Awesome, starting to get excited for this now.

Yes! None of the one slot fits all bullshit.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

i hope this game has a swimming skill that you can waste a bunch of points on even though it's only useful in like three places in the entire game

 

[subversus]

I don't. Care to explain?

must be this :lol

edit: fuck that's not the one. I can't find it.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

must be this :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnkkBlRqyuQ

Lil' punk was asking for it. Try and shake me down for money will ya?

 

[subversus]

Lil' punk was asking for it. Try and shake me down for money will ya?

No, actually there was a boy and a rocket launcher video somewhere.

 

[rollingstart]

Well...this looks better than most of the games I've bought this year so far. Luckily I've already preordered it. Sad if SE's best game isn't even an JRPG. Well sad and good at the same time. Double edge sword yadda yadda.

The best two games Square Enix put out this year have been Just Cause 2 and that Lara Croft game.

 

[charsace]

I don't. Care to explain?

In Deus Ex 2 there was a mission that involved an all girl school. Since this is Deus Ex we are talking about you could kill kids. On certain copies of the game the school girls would show up pantyless with a fully textured private area. Needless to say the person that added this dumbass "eastergg" got the boot. I came across the story at the time Deus Ex 2 released.

 

[subversus]

In Deus Ex 2 there was a mission that involved an all girl school. Since this is Deus Ex we are talking about you could kill kids. On certain copies of the game the school girls would show up pantyless with a fully textured private area. Needless to say the person that added this dumbass "eastergg" got the boot. I came across the story at the time Deus Ex 2 released.

Deus Ex 2 is an abomination (and never existed really) and therefore prohibited to mention in this thread.

 

[charsace]

Deus Ex 2 is an abomination (and never existed really) and therefore prohibited to mention in this thread.

I liked Deus Ex 2. Yeah, it wasn't on the level of the first game, but that doesn't mean it wasn't good people.

I just want them to watch out for bad "eastereggs" like the one I mentioned in my previous post.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Invisible War is an abortion of a game. As a standalone product it has horrible design and uninteresting gameplay, but as a follow-up to Deus Ex it's just awful in every single way.

 

[subversus]

I liked Deus Ex 2. Yeah, it wasn't on the level of the first game, but that doesn't mean it wasn't good people.

I just want them to watch out for bad "eastereggs" like the one I mentioned in my previous post.

We live in the different times when vidjagames is serious business.

 

[rollingstart]

Invisible War failed because it wasn't a proper sequel nor was it good enough to be different and good in its own way (like Mass Effect 2 is able to). When I finally finished the game (I started it and gave up multiple times in the past, on both the Xbox and PC) I only found joy in punching people in the face repeatedly after upgrading the strength. There is also the EMP punch that meant I almost never needed to use a gun.

My interest in Deus Ex Human Revolution stated first because it looks like an awesome game, and as more media is released, I see that it could deliver that feeling Deus Ex had. Again, Invisible War wasn't a good game or a good sequel to Deus Ex 1; on a random review scale, it would be a 2/5 with bonus points because everything is solvable with punching.

 

[Davidion]

Action looks a bit too slow and I was hoping that the perspective (ie. gun position) was dynamic as opposed to static like everything else.

Other than that, it looks neat. It's on the radar, for sure.

 

[Zenith]

Invisible War is an abortion of a game. As a standalone product it has horrible design and uninteresting gameplay, but as a follow-up to Deus Ex it's just awful in every single way.

ding.

Purely from a technical perspective it should have been put down. Let alone the gameplay.

 

[Stallion Free]

i hope this game a swimming skill that you can waste a bunch of points on even though it's only useful in like three places in the entire game

Hey man, it completely changed the airport mission. Shit was awesome. I can't not max swimming.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Hey man, it completely changed the airport mission. Shit was awesome. I can't not max swimming.

Congratulations, that was the first of the three times (the other times were in the flooded parts of hong kong and the cathedral in paris).

 

[Stallion Free]

Congratulations, that was the first of the three times (the other times were in the flooded parts of hong kong and the cathedral in paris).

I actually didn't max swimming and I drowned a fuck load of times trying to get to random stuff in the Hong Kong canals (I knew they were going to hide good shit in there that I *needed*).

 

[Zenith]

the rebreather allowed me to reach everywhere in Hong Kong without any upgrades.

 

[Despera]

Congratulations, that was the first of the three times (the other times were in the flooded parts of hong kong and the cathedral in paris).

For some reason I read that in my mind with JC Denton's voice.

 

[epmode]

the rebreather allowed me to reach everywhere in Hong Kong without any upgrades.

I was about to post this. Friends don't let friends put points into swimming.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

For some reason I read that in my mind with JC Denton's voice.

Maybe you should try getting a job.

 

[MMaRsu]

I kinda liked Invisible War on PC. Sure it wasn't the greatest game ever but a abortion is a little bit too much

 

[Stallion Free]

I kinda liked Invisible War on PC. Sure it wasn't the greatest game ever but a abortion is a little bit too much

Idk, the way I see it is that when I got Deus Ex I had my game time limited (middle school) and it was the only game I played for a month solid. My first playthrough took about 40 hours. It blew my fucking mind.

I couldn't even get half-way through Invisible War, I just lost interest.

 

[rollingstart]

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/1...ive-health-hud-design-and-difficulty-scaling/
http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/1...bout-third-person-camera-and-player-feedback/

nice information in there

Difficulty seems like it affects the number of enemies (more of them) and reduces the frequency of weapons. It also has an impact on hacking as you will run into higher levels of security earlier on.

and

If you are not a hardcore gamer and you just run through the critical path it’s about 25 hours, just for the critical path. If you want to explore and go deeper into the experience with the hacking and social exploration it’s more than 40 hours. By doing that during the conception we could satisfy different kind of players.

I hope those numbers are somewhat accurate

 

[Despera]

I hope those numbers are somewhat accurate

Here's what I usually do. Take that suggested number and reduce it by 20%. If they say 25 then it's around 20. 40? Nah, probably 32.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

His answer to the criticism of the third person view:

When you trigger a takedown, for example, if you stay in first person its less impressive than if you go out of your character to look at the entire the scene. It’s just to give you the player a real look at what he’s able to do. A good thing is it’s consistent with the cover system too.

I don't like how his only answer boils down to: "It looks cooler."

 

[Despera]

I don't like how his only answer boils down to: "It looks cooler."

Imagine doing a double takedown in first-person, you won't see shit. From a cinematic point of view, I think it looks fantastic, and that's all there is to it.

I feel sorry for these guys, they'll have to answer to angry fans whenever they implement something new.

 

[Domino Theory]

So when's this bitch coming out?

 

[DaBuddaDa]

Imagine doing a double takedown in first-person, you won't see shit.

From a cinematic point of view, I think it looks fantastic, and that's all there is to it. I feel sorry for these guys, they'll have to answer to angry fans whenever they implement something new.

Don't you dare for a second accuse me of being an "angry fan" for pointing out the answer to a widely discussed issue concerning this game. Jesus christ guy.

 

[Stallion Free]

Hey if I get the Dragon Tooth again, I sure as shit want a cinematic view of me severing the spine of some poor fool. First person just doesn't get the job done.

Also, I loved third-person cover in Rainbow Six Vegas and it did nothing to ruin my immersion.

 

[Saty]

I don't think the complaint is about the takedowns switching to 3rd person but rather that it's a one button-press that triggers automatic sequence (that possibly makes the player resistant to damage when it's played-out).

 

[Tom Penny]

When is this shit supposed to come out?

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Hey if I get the Dragon Tooth again, I sure as shit want a cinematic view of me severing the spine of some poor fool. First person just doesn't get the job done.

Also, I loved third-person cover in Rainbow Six Vegas and it did nothing to ruin my immersion.

Darn fuckin' straight.

 

[Sub_Level]

I don't think the complaint is about the takedowns switching to 3rd person but rather that it's a one button-press that triggers automatic sequence (that possibly makes the player resistant to damage when it's played-out).

Invisibility frames didn't compromise the quality of gameplay in Resident Evil 4 or Ninja Gaiden Black. I know they're far different games from Deus Ex, but I'm just saying, it's kind of an arbitrary issue to bring up.

 

[jonremedy]

When is this shit supposed to come out?

February according to Steam.

 

[Zenith]

Don't you dare for a second accuse me of being an "angry fan" for pointing out the answer to a widely discussed issue concerning this game. Jesus christ guy.

it's only been widely discussed amongst diehard fans. the official forums make it sound like the whole world is talking about nothing else but it's only limited to people obsessing over changes from the first game, even here. You might not like people trying to deflect the question with "pfft, fanboys" answer but don't you in turn perpetuate the falsehood that everyone in mainstream gaming up in arms over it. R6 Vegas did it fine, Riddick did it fine, Deus Ex will do it fine.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

it's only been widely discussed amongst diehard fans. the official forums make it sound like the whole world is talking about nothing else but it's only limited to people obsessing over changes from the first game, even here. You might not like people trying to deflect the question with "pfft, fanboys" answer but don't you in turn perpetuate the falsehood that everyone in mainstream gaming up in arms over it. R6 Vegas did it fine, Riddick did it fine, Deus Ex will do it fine.

You are making unnecessary accusations of "fanboyism" that don't exist. It has nothing to do with the first game whatsoever, it has to do with this game, and it's not a falsehood that people want to know more about it. Why would the interviewer ask the question then? I'd like to hear more from the developer about why they think its a good idea other than "it looks cooler." You don't see very many first person games that switch your camera to third person and back as often as it will happen here and I want to hear more about it.

Succinctly, you're projecting and being a jackass to an honest comment/discussion point that has zilch to do with "change" or the first game and not aiding the discussion in any way shape or form.

 

[Zenith]

I'd like to hear more from the developer about why they think its a good idea other than "it looks cooler."

visual flair isn't a good enough reason when carrying out a well-animated, stylish takedown? did you think they stuck those blades on Jensen's arms for practicality's sake? do you question why Assassin's Creed changes camera angles when you do a roof-top dive as well?

You don't see very many first person games that switch your camera to third person and back as often as it will happen here and I want to hear more about it.

I'm struggling to think of a game that's ever done it badly. Even Casino Royale did a good job of the transitions. You're acting as if switching between first and 3rd camera perspectives is a big deal that the entire game hinges upon when it's a simple thing to implement.

Succinctly, you're projecting and being a jackass to an honest comment/discussion point that has zilch to do with "change" or the first game and not aiding the discussion in any way shape or form.

I listed a history of games that have done it fine whilst you've gotten hysterical at anyone laughing at you.

 

[Despera]

I'd like to hear more from the developer about why they think its a good idea other than "it looks cooler."

Because it's much more realistic. I wouldn't expect an augmented agent like Jensen to sneak up on an enemy only to knife him to death from behind for example. I expect some elaborate techniques.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

visual flair isn't a good enough reason when carrying out a well-animated, stylish takedown? did you think they stuck those blades on Jensen's arms for practicality's sake? do you question why Assassin's Creed changes camera angles when you do a roof-top dive as well?

The perspective doesn't change from third person to first person and back in AC, so it's a bad comparison.

I'm struggling to think of a game that's ever done it badly. Even Casino Royale did a good job of the transitions. You're acting as if switching between first and 3rd camera perspectives is a big deal that the entire game hinges upon when it's a simple thing to implement.

Again, you're completely projecting fanboy nonsense that doesn't exist. When did I ever say it was a big deal? Never! I want to hear more about it.

I listed a history of games that have done it fine whilst you've gotten hysterical at anyone laughing at you.

And never said why it worked so well and in what context and how they handled the transition and where it was possible and how it kept momentum and perspective in check while moving the camera around. You said nothing but listing a couple of games. Thanks a lot for your valuable input.

Because it's much more realistic. I wouldn't expect an augmented agent like Jensen to sneak up on an enemy only to knife him to death from behind for example. I expect some elaborate techniques.

This is a solid and reasonable answer. Also, what was said before, some abilities like a double take-down would be janky looking from first person. With an expanded array of abilities, they have to change the perspective on some or else they wouldn't make sense, or be harder to pull off in first person than it is in third. The dev didn't say any of that, though.

 

[dejay]

If this game redeems the series by both being totally non-sucky and by being nicely represented on PC then I'll be a very happy chappy.

 

[ArjanN]

Because it's much more realistic. I wouldn't expect an augmented agent like Jensen to sneak up on an enemy only to knife him to death from behind for example. I expect some elaborate techniques.

I think knifing them from behind would actually be more realistic, just less spectacular.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

If this game redeems the series by both being totally non-sucky and by being nicely represented on PC then I'll be a very happy chappy.

I'm totally with you there. Man from what I'm seeing I don't see shy anyone has to worry. The footage is awesome. Voice acting seems better, graphics and style beautiful and gameplay systems looking sweet. The release of this game can't come fast enough. Cyberpunk Hong Kong? Yes please!

 

[charlequin]

I don't like how his only answer boils down to: "It looks cooler."

Honestly, I think it's kind of silly to be like "I hate that in response to this element of the game which is purely visual the developers said they wanted to pick the cooler looking option." Complaints about the health or cover system may or may not prove to be significant when judged holistically as part of the whole game but they're at least founded in a concern about the way the gameplay manifests; complaining about the perspective switch on the takedowns is pretty much just saying that you prefer one way of displaying an uninteractive sequence over a different one.

I don't think the complaint is about the takedowns switching to 3rd person but rather that it's a one button-press that triggers automatic sequence (that possibly makes the player resistant to damage when it's played-out).

The takedown system in Deus Ex is basically the single worst thing about the game while one-button takedowns are a well-proven gameplay element in numerous games, so while I get the concern I am definitely not greatly swayed by it.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

Honestly, I think it's kind of silly to be like "I hate that in response to this element of the game which is purely visual the developers said they wanted to pick the cooler looking option." Complaints about the health or cover system may or may not prove to be significant when judged holistically as part of the whole game but they're at least founded in a concern about the way the gameplay manifests; complaining about the perspective switch on the takedowns is pretty much just saying that you prefer one way of displaying an uninteractive sequence over a different one.

It's not the animated, non-interactive take down sequences I'm interested in, it's when the game switches from first to third person while you're still in complete control, such as when you're behind cover. I've never experienced a FPS that did that before, and I'm trying to wrap my head around how jarring/not jarring it might be switching to and fro.

 

[Stallion Free]

It's not the animated, non-interactive take down sequences I'm interested in, it's when the game switches from first to third person while you're still in complete control, such as when you're behind cover. I've never experienced a FPS that did that before, and I'm trying to wrap my head around how jarring/not jarring it might be switching to and fro.

You have quite a few to pick from. It's not exactly a rare feature.

 

[Kittonwy]

visual flair isn't a good enough reason when carrying out a well-animated, stylish takedown? did you think they stuck those blades on Jensen's arms for practicality's sake? do you question why Assassin's Creed changes camera angles when you do a roof-top dive as well?

I'm struggling to think of a game that's ever done it badly. Even Casino Royale did a good job of the transitions. You're acting as if switching between first and 3rd camera perspectives is a big deal that the entire game hinges upon when it's a simple thing to implement.

I listed a history of games that have done it fine whilst you've gotten hysterical at anyone laughing at you.

Actually when you change camera angles you take the sense of control from the player, when you trigger a quick animation sequence while maintaining the same camera view, the player is more likely to believe that he is still in control of the character, you change the control to some cinematic view and that feeling of being in control gets destroyed and you're basicallly watching a fancy cutscene.

 

[jett]

Looks really cool, to be honest. Not among the best looking or best animating, but pretty neat overall.

Kittonwy: I think the transitions are edited for trailer purposes, the camera angle change isn't that drastic in other gameplay vids I've seen, unless I'm misremembering.