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Developers. Please stop with the ten minute unskippable credits.
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chillybright
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Game devs add unskippable credits not for the sake of recognition, but for the ultimate CINEMATIC experience.
This is why unskippable credits should be a thing?
I thought that's why the credits section was a thing in games. If you wanna know more, you have the option.
I'm legitimately shocked at how many people are caping for unskippable credits.
How does an unskippable 10+ minute credits scene help that unless you are like a director or producer, who already have no issues with recognition typically?
Langdon Alger
Banned
I have no idea why they do this. It's crazy to think most people actually want to watch them.
Acerac
Banned
Making the credits unskippable isn't going to bring these people more recognition. If you want me to care about the credits add a fun minigame to it.
I'm surprised so many people on GAF enjoy unenjoyable non-interactive parts of games. So many in this thread are advising that you just leave your console when this happens, and somehow this is fine? The fuck?
I'm surprised so many people on GAF enjoy unenjoyable non-interactive parts of games. So many in this thread are advising that you just leave your console when this happens, and somehow this is fine? The fuck?
MyNameIsRye
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I always sit through the credits. ALWAYS.
I just alt-tab credits, see if they advance when the game is minimized, search if there's a save point or a video or something like that after the credits and if there's nothing I close the game, if there is I let the credits roll on the background.
I already paid for the game so I already gave my respects to the developers.
One of the first things I do when I buy a game is look if I can skip those logos in PCGamingwiki.
I already paid for the game so I already gave my respects to the developers.
One of the first things I do when I buy a game is look if I can skip those logos in PCGamingwiki.
Or worse, you're making it a hassle for people who care the most, in case it's unskippable even on repeated playthroughs.
timetokill
Banned
Interactive credits are fun, like in Smash or some of the Mario games. I'd like to see more of that.
BlackGauna
Member
I don't think credits are there for you to "pay your respects" to the developers, you already paid with your money for those products. Isn't that respect enough?
Credits are mainly there as "evidence" for the people who worked on that movie, game, etc. It's like a signature on a painting, just with more names.
Sometimes there are extras "locked" behind those credits, like cut scenes, unlocking bonus content, new game+ savegame or simply a trophy. But why should you have to sit through 5, 10 or sometimes over 20 mins of credits for those goodies?
In movies you don't have to sit through the credits to see after credit scenes (unless you are in a cinema). You don't have to hear the names of all people involved with producing an album just to listen to the last song. You don't have read every name of every person working in the publishing company of a book just to read the epilog.
The credits should be skippable. Just because you like to watch the credits doesn't mean that everyone else should have to watch them. And just because they are skippable doesn't mean that the ones who like watching credits are suddenly not allowed to anymore. Why are some of you against giving an option to skip credits? Choice is always good. Wouldn't everyone be happy if you could skip credits? Those who want to watch them can watch them and the rest skips them. Where is the problem?
Credits are mainly there as "evidence" for the people who worked on that movie, game, etc. It's like a signature on a painting, just with more names.
Sometimes there are extras "locked" behind those credits, like cut scenes, unlocking bonus content, new game+ savegame or simply a trophy. But why should you have to sit through 5, 10 or sometimes over 20 mins of credits for those goodies?
In movies you don't have to sit through the credits to see after credit scenes (unless you are in a cinema). You don't have to hear the names of all people involved with producing an album just to listen to the last song. You don't have read every name of every person working in the publishing company of a book just to read the epilog.
The credits should be skippable. Just because you like to watch the credits doesn't mean that everyone else should have to watch them. And just because they are skippable doesn't mean that the ones who like watching credits are suddenly not allowed to anymore. Why are some of you against giving an option to skip credits? Choice is always good. Wouldn't everyone be happy if you could skip credits? Those who want to watch them can watch them and the rest skips them. Where is the problem?
Me too. I won't lie, some are very long (not kidding, i think i actually made dinner waiting for the GTA5 credits to end), but i still see most of them
Fuz
Banned
So don't click the "skip" button.
These days it's the people who made the game and a whole shopping list of ones just associated with making it. I've seen IT Director in there, marketing staff, all sorts of people unrelated to the actual creative process, often from several different companies. I finally lost it when one game decided to list all the 'production babies'. I don't care.
DMC3 isn't even in the B-tier of playable credits.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Human Revolution was awesome, giving that stinger cutscene call back to Deus Ex 1...but only if you watched the whole credits. If you pressed a button to skip them, you didn't get the extra scene (or the trophy/achievement).
The Silver
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What's the deal with people saying "I like to watch them" as if that's some counter argument. Making them skippable doesn't suddenly force you into not watching the credits.
Spine_Ripper
Member
That argument is the new "Nintendo shouldn't add trophies because I don't like them."
Acerac
Banned
I can do that plenty well on my own I don't need the game to set me in a time out for 10 minutes to reflect.
SuperStiltzkin
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I think that's what most people are misconceiving here. People seem to think OP is advocating abolishing credits altogether. Although some people understand what the OP wants and still defend it out of principal?
I dunno, it's weird. Is it so bad of people to want to skip the credits to get their completion progress and not have to do that hard 5 phase boss over again cause it's 4 in the fucking morning?
davepoobond
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I think what is awful nowadays is when they lost all their stupid kickstarter donors in unskippable credits
It's funny seeing 4 different attributions to anonymous men named "James"
It's funny seeing 4 different attributions to anonymous men named "James"
Basically. You can boil a good chunk of Gaf threads down to "I don't like thing so thing is bad and people shouldn't do thing." Great, you like watching credits, go do that then. I would like to not do that. You are still allowed to watch the credits, but you find it unacceptable that I am not doing the thing you are. Hence, the demand for unskippable cutscenes to force your opinion on everyone else.
GametimeUK
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I hate credits. I'm waiting for trophies to pop, or a post credit scene, for the game to resume post credits, ng+ or whatever. Words can't describe the frustration.
But I fully understand why they are there and why a team would want them to be un skippable. They fully deserve their time on screen to shine.
But I fully understand why they are there and why a team would want them to be un skippable. They fully deserve their time on screen to shine.
Dark_3nergy
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I have started to spend more time paying attention to the credits of the older games I loved as a kid. Seeing where and what developers where doing on the different titles they made is intriguing to me.
I didn't know Tetsuya Takahashi worked on Final Fantasy 4 til I sat myself down and looked at the credits. I nearly fell off my couch!!
I didn't know Tetsuya Takahashi worked on Final Fantasy 4 til I sat myself down and looked at the credits. I nearly fell off my couch!!
Madison Paige
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I agree with posters saying that there should be a credits option in the main menu. If the credits are less than ten minutes long, I think it's perfectly fine for there to be no skip option, or one that's just found by messing around on the controller for a bit (recently I played something that only had skip as L3+R3, and I actually liked that a lot because it was difficult to press on accident), but when it goes over ten minutes, there should be a way to speed them up or close them out early, especially when there's no extra content during the credits (behind the scenes stuff works, I've also been fond of games that have extra conversations between the characters or occasional pauses for additional scenes during the credits).
The twenty minute credits lately have been way over the top, and although I find it important to sit there, reflect on what I experienced, and respect the developers whose hard work made the game possible, there's a point where the game has been in so many hands during the process of creating it where it's actively taking more time out of my schedule than I am comfortable with. This is mainly a complaint that only seems to extend to companies that piecemeal their games out to several studios in different locations.
The twenty minute credits lately have been way over the top, and although I find it important to sit there, reflect on what I experienced, and respect the developers whose hard work made the game possible, there's a point where the game has been in so many hands during the process of creating it where it's actively taking more time out of my schedule than I am comfortable with. This is mainly a complaint that only seems to extend to companies that piecemeal their games out to several studios in different locations.
theres probably a sense of pride that goes along with seeing ones own name show up in credits. But I do think developers should be a bit more creative in the presentation.
Maybe name in-game characters and places after staff or Includes bits and peices of the credits as in game collectibles or something. Something more subtle.
Maybe name in-game characters and places after staff or Includes bits and peices of the credits as in game collectibles or something. Something more subtle.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
I hate this mindset
The audience doesn't owe anything to the people who made the game. They bought the game, and they should be able to skip the credits if they want.
You're not forced to sit through credits when watching a film, why would it be okay for a video game?
I also find that totally lame.
Denying players any hidden endings or teasers just because they skip the credits is stupid.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Just be like Kojima and put weirdly memorable songs in your credits. Then not only will I not skip them, I'll remember them for years to come (and even look forward to them on replays).
CamHostage
Member
Right, when you play AAA games, it's always interesting to see how the game development team bills itself, because often these are the shortest credits, and for some companies like Insomniac, they even choose to remove the jobs and just list every crew member alphabetically so that nobody is more important than anybody else ... then every member of the PR team or the contracted sound development studio gets their title/rank listed and it's a distinct contrast. (Not to denigrate the work of those people, but learning that Grace Chen maybe formatted the text for a blog post about a game does not give me a deeper appreciation of a game.)
Again, thanks to them for their contribution to the product's existence, sure! But very, very, very, very few people (beyond those on the donor list, and even to those people, interactive credits would be a benefit because they could actually scroll through and find themselves, or maybe even blow their name up if the interactive credits had a game to them) would feel that's a valuable use of their time to sit through a forced crawl of those names.
Choice, man. It's a beautiful thing.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
What kind of narcissistic way of thinking is that?
somecrazymember
Banned
This.
Also, makes you appreciate the soundtrack even more. I read all the Naughty dog credits for sure and most indie games too.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I do. Every single one of them.
CamHostage
Member
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,33355/
Now, the reason such a credits list can exist is because it was included inside a game (nobody's saying "no credits ever!!", I can't imagine,) but having them be skippable and rewind/FF'able and re-accessable doesn't make a difference.
You know what would be a really great way of appreciating the soundtrack? Buying it, or streaming it from a composer's official YT or Soundcloud page.
But you don't know who they are. You know nothing about them except for their name. You don't even know if the Michael Smith or Tetsuya Takahashi[ are the same Smith or Takahashi from one game to another.
If credits lists did anything to seriously help people get jobs and get followers to their careers (hey, howsabout adding a Twitter ID to credits so you could literally follow these people that are so unrecognized?), then that'd be one thing. But you sitting in your house watching a scroll of names helps these people by so very little means, you'd be much better off visiting the company's website or blog and learning about the crew from there.
Perhaps this will become a thing in the future?
I'd prefer that info to be inside the game (we never know what will happen to Bungie.net in the distant future,) but yes, even developers know that a quarter-hour of credit crawl isn't the best way to honor the workers involved.
What did he mean by this?
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Skipping the end credits should autoskip the aftercredits scene too
JSoup
Banned
Personally, I feel like credits should be skippable on subsequent viewings. Take the Scott Pilgrim game. Long credits, but it has some nice music and images. But the fifth time I've beaten the game, I'm over it. I watched it all the way through the first time, any more than that is excessive.
Azure Phoenix
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I don't feel they need to be skippable, but you sure as hell need to give me some reason to want to hang around rather than walk out of the room. The worst offenders are those without even any music (or it cuts off halfway through - hi there Fable III) or ones where they feel the need to list people and teams working for the company that had nothing to do with the actual product (i.e. Ubisoft listing the janitor, the cafeteria staff, the CEO's masseuse, the legal filings clerk and the family dogs for every single branch they have). The best ones are interactive, like Splatoon, Sonic Colours etc.
Really do not get how it would be disrespectful skipping the credits. Not as if anyone remembers all the names that pass by in games today when there are literally hundreds of people working on some of them. I dare say that no-one in here cares about 90% of the names either way.
Also. We do buy games. Consumers work as hard as the devs so they can buy their games. If anything that is respect. Especially if you keep buying new games from the same studios. Devs aren't gods. We're all people with professions.
Also. We do buy games. Consumers work as hard as the devs so they can buy their games. If anything that is respect. Especially if you keep buying new games from the same studios. Devs aren't gods. We're all people with professions.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Nba 2k17 does this and it really bugs me.. Ugh
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