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Developers that went downhill and later 'returned to greatness'?
- Thread starter daTRUballin
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They still have a lot to prove.
Mr. Nice_Guy
Member
Seems like an overreaction. And that's one game among many they put out every year.
I wouldn't agree with your last statement but enough people seemed to like DAI that it could be seen as a redemption to them. Let's see how the next ME does before we talk about a full redemption though haha.
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
The King's Field games? Tenchu? Otogi?
I had thought Sonic Team had returned to greatness (or at least competency) with Colors and Generations but Lost World has me thinking that may have been a fluke.
SNK had a pretty rough stint with Metal Slug 6 and KoF XII but Metal Slug 7 and KoF XIII were incredible improvements.
SNK had a pretty rough stint with Metal Slug 6 and KoF XII but Metal Slug 7 and KoF XIII were incredible improvements.
Shadows of Mordor was fun for one play thorough but other than the nemesis system it was a checklist of AAA checkboxes.
AAA: The Game
Whoops, you're right.
Well, in my opinion Bioware hasn't made a terrible game. I think they set the bar high from what they did from 1996-2010 that DA2 was a letdown that seemed rushed (hence the reused dungeons). But one mediocre game, and one great game with a terrible ending (that was about 15 minutes of a 90 hour trilogy) doesn't make them go downhill.
Going downhill is what happened with Square Enix from 2006-2014 with FFXIII saga being terrible, KH3 and FF Versus III being no shows, and FFXIV having to be shutdown for a year and remade into ARR.
And to say they've returned to greatness is premature. FFXV could be awful, same with KH3, and don't forget how bad Star Ocean 4 was, who's to say 5 won't suck as well?
Shogun1337
Junior Member
Oh I don't personally think they've returned to greatness or anything, that's just how the story goes. Prior to Battlefield 3, EA was the most hated company in gaming on a year to year basis. Then they did BF3, then announced ME2, then BF4 and Star Wars Battlefront, etc. etc., and now people like them again, until they fuck up again, then we can restart the lovely cycle.
Developers that went downhill? Like my partner you just tossed off a cliff?
Since when did Rare return to greatness? They aren't even close.
To be honest the only company who fits this for me is Nintendo. Their Yamauchi era games were amazing, on both consoles and handhelds. Personally though I never liked much they did on Wii or DS. I found their sequels disappointing, and too many times games felt like they were ruined by trying too hard to incorporate whatever gimmick Nintendo was pushing at the time. Their Wii U games have been great though.
To be honest the only company who fits this for me is Nintendo. Their Yamauchi era games were amazing, on both consoles and handhelds. Personally though I never liked much they did on Wii or DS. I found their sequels disappointing, and too many times games felt like they were ruined by trying too hard to incorporate whatever gimmick Nintendo was pushing at the time. Their Wii U games have been great though.
daTRUballin
Member
Well, as I've said, Rare isn't necessarily a good example of this, but they've definitely gotten better since the Kinect years.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Thought so too...
I totally agree with this. I really felt like they were in a solid place during last gen for a while too though, they just had a rough few years. They seem go in swings like this.
Yeah I'm not seeing this one. I don't like Kingdom Hearts and I am definitely not a fan of Final Fantasy XV so far so no thanks. I've got hope for that new Final Fantasy Pokemon game for PS4/Vita though.
Krappadizzle
Member
Otogi was bad ass. Otogi 2 too.
Well, the name "Rare" doesn't immediately evoke feelings of rage and disappointment in all who hear it anymore, so that's definitely an improvement.
Vital Tundra
Member
Square as a whole drop the ball last gen. Like what the FUDGE happened? Why did FF13-2 and 3 happen? Who thought that was a good idea? Not to mention the lack of pretty much anything substantial from their Japanese studios. Glad to see so many RPGs from them coming these next 2 years. Didn't they get a new leader?
PROJECTZERO
Banned
Capcom. Still find it hard to believe we are getting a RE2 remake.
Relax, I enjoyed it too.
How does a gigantic publisher like EA even end up here? It doesn't even make sense.
I want to say blizzard, but much like modern ND their games don't ship as 'bad' there have just been highs and lows where the lows are still really good.
gee I dunno. I remember Blacksite Area 51, NBA Ballers Chosen One, TNA Impact, and some of their late 6th-gen stuff (NARC, LA Rush) weren't exactly well-received.
(i like blacksite though)
bati
Member
Came here to post exactly this. I want to say ME4 will be the same relative to Dragon Age but I think it's just not going to happen.
Irishmantis
Member
Definitely NRS they where on the tilt of Bankruptcy it was that bad
Sonic Team? Their games took a major nose dive with everything between Shadow and Unleashed (and debatably the 3D games before them depending on who you ask), then they made Colours and Generations, and people thought they were on the right track again. But then, they made Lost World and allowed Rise of Lyric to happen so...
you do know that most of those bad sonic games weren't made by Sonic Team, but Sonic Team USA, which was a separate group.
TheSpecialOne
Banned
ME2 isn't out yet, battlefront looks to be shallow and boring and bf4 is not that great.
^ And Nier 2, and Star Ocean 5, and Project Setsuna ect ect
The midway/Mortal Kombat guys, and Square Enix. There was a 3 or 4 year lull where nothign was going SE's way in regards to output, but they've seem to have righted themselves if they can deliver on even half of the announcements they have lined up.
The midway/Mortal Kombat guys, and Square Enix. There was a 3 or 4 year lull where nothign was going SE's way in regards to output, but they've seem to have righted themselves if they can deliver on even half of the announcements they have lined up.
Hippopuncher12
Member
They were never considered great by the masses before Demon's Souls. Having said that King's Field games are some of my favorite from old school From. Then they made garbage for 10 years or so then BAM Glory!!!
P.S. Make a new King's Field...please.
Pretty sure Metal Wolf Chaos, and the Otogi games are some of the best on the Xbox. Chek yo self
brickarts295
Member
ND for me
Crash was a Big High for me, then it all downhill when Jak came, I did not enjoy none of the titles, I preferred playing Sly and Ratchet. But then came Uncharted and TLOU and they are pretty much on the highest pedestal I can think off.
Crash was a Big High for me, then it all downhill when Jak came, I did not enjoy none of the titles, I preferred playing Sly and Ratchet. But then came Uncharted and TLOU and they are pretty much on the highest pedestal I can think off.
Capcom does not qualify as having returned to greatness unless SF5, DMC5, REmake 2 and RE7 release and are all good. They are trying, but they have yet to truly deliver.
Same with Square Enix. Until FF15, KH3, Setsuna, etc. releases and are good, their "return to greatness" is still tentative.
Same with Square Enix. Until FF15, KH3, Setsuna, etc. releases and are good, their "return to greatness" is still tentative.
Giving up hope and moving on is not an improvement. It's actually worse.
And lol at a Naughty Dog mention....when being at the top of the food chain = downhill.
I agree with other folks: NetherRealm.... but then again that core group carrying the MK franchise has gone through a lot of changes.
Do you want to imply that there were actually good Sonic games?
Hopefully Game Freak when they come to do gen 7.
I wouldn't count Sonic Team, since they co-developed Advance and Rush trilogy on Nintendo handheld and they weren't bad.
I wouldn't count Sonic Team, since they co-developed Advance and Rush trilogy on Nintendo handheld and they weren't bad.
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I'd say Square is doing a big turnaround ever since the merger because this is their 2016 lineup:
Project Setsuna
Dragon Quest Heroes II
Dragon Quest Builders
Star Ocean 5: Integrity and Faithlessness
SaGa Scarlet Grace (Vita only)
Dissidia Final Fantasy (Console)
World of Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy XV
Seiken Densetsu Remake (Vita/iOS/Android)
Kingdom Hearts 2.8 HD
Dragon Quest XI (I doubt it but who knows)
And we're getting this in the future:
Final Fantasy VII Remake
Nier New Project
Kingdom Hearts III
Dragon Quest X (PS4)
Project Setsuna
Dragon Quest Heroes II
Dragon Quest Builders
Star Ocean 5: Integrity and Faithlessness
SaGa Scarlet Grace (Vita only)
Dissidia Final Fantasy (Console)
World of Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy XV
Seiken Densetsu Remake (Vita/iOS/Android)
Kingdom Hearts 2.8 HD
Dragon Quest XI (I doubt it but who knows)
And we're getting this in the future:
Final Fantasy VII Remake
Nier New Project
Kingdom Hearts III
Dragon Quest X (PS4)
Hippopuncher12
Member
Never played either of them...but I will amend my statement to say made "mostly" garbage.
Oh yea?... Then how about....
Phantasy Star Online -> Phantasy Star Universe -> Phantasy Star Online 2.
I'd say they qualify.
daTRUballin
Member
Not yet. Hopefully. But not yet.
Shadoken
Member
Capcom is a publisher not a developer. If you are referencing particular studios , then many of them have never really gone "downhill" . Phoenix Wright,SF4,RE5,DMC4,Dragons Dogma,Lost Planet,TvC,MvC3 are all great titles. RE6,SFxT ( debatable ) are exceptions not the norm.
In a thread where people are putting forward suggestions like EA I figured casting all the branches of Sonic Team under the same umbrella wouldn't be too bad. You're right, but Sonic Team hardly have a perfect track record either.
Yes, there are actually good Sonic games.
Shadoken
Member
Oh wow guys its 2006 again. There are no good Sonic games.