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[DF] Cyberpunk 2077 PC: What Does Ray Tracing Deliver... And Is It Worth It?
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Still expensive.
Lethal01
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I was responding to how the thread was going in general, didn't want to make a double post.
But ye, obviously RT is the bigger deal. but RT is the biggest deal
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ThatOneGrunt
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This is one of those things where I almost wish I hadn't seen examples of raytracing. All games look out of date now without it. And it's that point they mention where without raytracing, objects don't look grounded in the space. Like they're floating.
Guys, I use discord alerts and everything. It's so impossible to find a 3070 right now. The second I get a notification, click the link and look at the item, I'ts already gone.
Guys, I use discord alerts and everything. It's so impossible to find a 3070 right now. The second I get a notification, click the link and look at the item, I'ts already gone.
Arun1910
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Cus they either have consoles, don't own an rtx card or don't research
Lethal01
Member
But you've been seen example of it for decades.
Give a game full raytracing and this is the result.
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
amazing looking , the gaming tech industry should have gone for ray tracing instead of 4k
nemiroff
Gold Member
..wait, did you miss the point, or am I missing a jest..? My post was ironic to make a point about context. I posted two black squares.. And the MC one as the other extreme. You explained my point in text Sherlock, lol
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Neo_game
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The elevator scene having sky light was obviously noticeable instead of yellow light but they could easily fake it. Reflection, shadows is what make the actual difference. I think old games like quake 2 using path RT is great but newer games RT lighting impact is underwhelming IMO.
Masterbrew
Member
This game is the most compelling argument for RT so far
Soodanim
Gold Member
Finally, a good fucking comparison.
Which one has RT?
I notice How shitty the lighting is without raytracing way easier than noticing resolution.
I notice the lighting way more than going from 60fps to 120fps
We agree that the pop in hurts the game immensely though
Every other comparison is “LOOK AT MUH REFLECTIONS BRO” when no one gives a shit about reflections. Realistic low light scenarios are much better examples.
Lethal01
Member
Reflections are great and shame on those who don't give a shite.
Soodanim
Gold Member
Reflections alone don’t justify the performance cost for a lot of people
TyphoonStruggle
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Unfortunately normie gamers probably prefer the top one even though it is less accurate. We’re talking about the type of people who (claim) they can’t tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps. (That is until pleb console machines finally have the horsepower to run games at 60 fps, then it’s one of the greatest things ever.)Don't care about reflection , this is more impressed .
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regawdless
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Good video. The reflections are great and important, but man, that RT lighting really is something else. It looks so much more natural.
The difference in that car scene is so huge.
The difference in that car scene is so huge.
1- Even though Im impressed I'm not gonna pay half of my fps for this .
2-100% im gonna turn this off in a multiplayer game even if it cost no fps .
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regawdless
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We've come so far, I love the technological advancements. Some years ago I would've never imagined playing a game like this with RT at 1440p ~60fps.
We should appreciate that a lot more, in my opinion.
We should appreciate that a lot more, in my opinion.
GaviotaGrande
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At least pick the same moment. It's not that hard since this scene is on-rails.
Soodanim
Gold Member
I take back what I said about that being a good comparison
BigTnaples
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Ray Tracing in this game is absolutely fantastic and incredibly transformative. Couldn’t imagine exploring this world with RToff.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
i can't see much difference. reflections are better but otherwise i don't see it. i kept turning it off/on trying to see any changes. i just done the monk mission and my GPU was freaking the fuck out cause there was a neon sign there. turned itoff and it looked just the same.
i'm quite happy with how the game looks and runs without RTX. maybe in a few years i'll turn it on when i have a GPU that doesn't shit itself trying to run it. not shitting on RTX it is definitely the future but i don't think any improvements are worth the performance hit right now.
i'm quite happy with how the game looks and runs without RTX. maybe in a few years i'll turn it on when i have a GPU that doesn't shit itself trying to run it. not shitting on RTX it is definitely the future but i don't think any improvements are worth the performance hit right now.
Rikkori
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Like I said before, I'm not against RT, quite the opposite, I love it, but I can't be blind to the fact that DF makes very biased content and ignores the trade-offs (to say nothing of people like Alex going around forums defending NV at every chance he gets even when no one asks him to). It's no accident they get multiple Nvidia sponsorships and an exclusive look at the newest GPU and then Nvidia goes around and threatens publications which don't show the same zeal.
I just want a fair discussion, that's all.
I just want a fair discussion, that's all.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
This is ridiculous. You have to see that.
RT is not an Nvidia invention. AMD has it too, and at some point CP2077 will support AMDs tech. So the video will be valid for both companies.
Really dumb argument.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I think the biggest issue with RT is that it can be a performance killer if you don't have the right hardware.
Also, it sure seems anytime a game studio or Nvidia says check out this RT demo, everything looks super shiny as if every surface turned into water or a mirror.
The next time any one of us goes outside and walks or drives down the street, there's actually very little that reflects like a mirror. Even if it just rained, it doesn't mean every puddle has to reflect moonlight like a mirror. But RT games exaggerate it.
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Trimesh
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Control actually sort of annoyed me because I couldn't help feeling it had been gimped in "RTX off" mode in at attempt to make RT look more impressive. I don't get that feeling with Cyberpunk - I think they really did try to make it look as good as possible in conventional rendering mode and then put the RT on top of it. There are some places it looks great - but unfortunately with my setup I have to use DLSS and even then I take a hit to framerate, so I ended up turning it off. My guess is that the RTX4000 cards are going to be the point where you have enough performance that turning RT on becomes the obvious choice. That also fits into the long observed principle that V3 of stuff nVidia does is typically the point where it doesn't suck anymore.
longdi
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Which one has RTX ?
Screen by me:
Good luck
havent seen the answer, i guess the first one? there is reflection on the top windows and also the cell phone on the guys neck?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
You got good eyes.havent seen the answer, i guess the first one? there is reflection on the top windows and also the cell phone on the guys neck?
That's two more than I noticed.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
RT On.
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CrustyBritches
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Quick and easy RT lighting comparison. RT shadows and reflections, and all other settings remained the same. Just cycling between RT Lighting 'Psycho' and 'Off'. It's harder to see without the flip(i.e.-Just posting the images next to each other).
Source screenshots:
Source screenshots:
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On:
Off:
regawdless
Banned
Dark scenes are not really great for a comparison of lighting. Alleys, sheds, markets etc. During day time would make more sense, because it uses light bounces. Without a lot of light, it's a bit pointless tbh.
CrustyBritches
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Show me.
regawdless
Banned
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
RT Lighting on vs off. RT shadows and reflections are on in both shots.
On:
Off:
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It was the same argument. Prior to the 9700 pro AF and AA were nice but the hardware was too slow to turn it on and then the 9700 pro happened and AF became a default on feature and AA was a nice bonus for people running lower resolution screens.
Timeless One
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A genetayion difference ! This actually made me more optimistic about the Halo Infinite
Reckheim
Member
Yeh, reflections are one thing, but realistic shadow casting is what makes rtx worth it. It makes everything look more real, more grounded.
When you look at the picture on the left, your eyes see a game. Something you know is a game.
But the picture on the right, with how dark his side gets where the character isn't getting light is just infinitely more realistic.
metareferential
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RT will get cheaper and better, but there's no better way to do lighting than simulating its physics.
Haemi
Member
About 10 years ago somebody said this about ambient occlussion: "It's a waste of ressources! For something you can almost not see it's too expensive!"
Now we have the same discussions about raytracing.
Instead of complaining, why don't you tell us why it is bothering you that much?
Now we have the same discussions about raytracing.
Instead of complaining, why don't you tell us why it is bothering you that much?
That's easy: "it tanks my performance, so fuck it and fuck the users liking it".
regawdless
Banned
What about raytracing, game maxed and 60fps at 1440p? Would be pretty cool, right?
Xtib81
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I'm fine with a lower resolution. What IG did with Miles Morales is the way to go
Haemi
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And on PC (and on consoles with quality and performance modes) you have the option to disable it for higher framerates. But some people act like it's a personal insult when somebody likes raytracing.
I was really happy when they put in the option for raytracing at 1080p60. I have a 55" TV, but sit 4m away from it. So i don't really see the benefits of 4k.
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INC
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Which one has RTX ?
Screen by me:
Good luck
Top?
Camera phone is illuminating the guys face