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[FranXico]

You think? Based on MS marketing around the XSX, those fans already claimed victory even before the consoles where released.

But it was a big slap in the face for those same people after release. The difference in marketing between the two companies was evident. Sony was a lot more professional, in comparison to Xbox marketing.

Have you forgotten all those arguments from xbox fans who kept shouting "let's wait for DF, they will going to show the difference".

Yes indeed we have seen how it went.

And they waited, alright, until DF showed the difference they wanted.

 

[skit_data]

So... when do you guys figure we get a downgrade patch that introduces noticeable frame drops on Series X? Something akin to the AC:V patch on PS5? I mean it shouldnt be out of the realm of possibility, it happened before.

 

[Superayate]

My reasoning is plain. Any game dropping frames in favour of resolution is doing it wrong.

There is argument that an occasional blip can be looked past, but the lavender level is clearly putting excess stress on the GPU in a sustained fashion; not a blip. Were I to play the game, I would choose to compromise on resolution first and foremost as a net positive effect. That is all.

In fact, I could understand your point of view and would totally agree if the drops were present in more areas or levels, and not in just one location. In this game, I think there are not enough drops situation to prefer reducing resolution than keeping as it is currently set.

 

[phil_t98]

As a gamer are you honestly advocating for native 4k over better performance?

Is this where we've come to after all this time? After all the conclusions from not just DF, but majority of interested parties of the diminishing benefits of 4k in the next gen.

I'm sorry, I cannot accept the narrative being driven that resolution is the defining factor of 'better' here. There is no way in hell Anyone should chose resolution over pristine performance, and those doing so are doing a disservice to all gamers.

Framerate > resolution all day, any day when it comes to such high density pixel counts. The lavender performance is simply not good enough on XsX and deserves to be lambasted, not the other way around.

I hope the devs aren't taking this egregious feedback as some kind of reality.

as a gamer you can't see that its only now section it does that and the rest is 4k 60fps?

 

[Snake29]

And they waited, alright, until DF showed the difference they wanted.

Well if this is the difference they waited for......then it looks VERY dissapointed for the XSX if you look at specs on paper.

 

[Negotiator101]

XSX is a beast.

what's his name is a genius!

Andrew Goossen I believe.

 

[Zathalus]

So... when do you guys figure we get a downgrade patch that introduces noticeable frame drops on Series X? Something akin to the AC:V patch on PS5? I mean it shouldnt be out of the realm of possibility, it happened before.

I don't think that will happen, it is one small drop in one level and not something that plagues the entire game like AC: V. It would be more likely to see nothing occur, or a potential fix to improve the performance in that section.

 

[JORMBO]

As a gamer are you honestly advocating for native 4k over better performance?

Is this where we've come to after all this time? After all the conclusions from not just DF, but majority of interested parties of the diminishing benefits of 4k in the next gen.

I'm sorry, I cannot accept the narrative being driven that resolution is the defining factor of 'better' here. There is no way in hell Anyone should chose resolution over pristine performance, and those doing so are doing a disservice to all gamers.

Framerate > resolution all day, any day when it comes to such high density pixel counts. The lavender performance is simply not good enough on XsX and deserves to be lambasted, not the other way around.

I hope the devs aren't taking this egregious feedback as some kind of reality.

I can't tell if people are trolling or actually serious. This is so overly dramatic and ridiculous. It's a quick frame drop at one small spot on the edge of one map. I beat the game and didn't even need to go to that spot.

So you are telling me you would rather take a decent resolution drop across the entire game in favor of a tiny frame boost in 0.01% of the game? Or in my case it would have been 0% of the game. This make no sense.

A resolution jump across the entire game is noticeable. No one would probably even notice that tiny frame drop without a DF graph telling them it exists.

 

[Bergoglio]

44% more pixels.

High shadows and native 4K.

 

[assurdum]

XSX is a beast.

what's his name is a genius!

A beast which can handle in 4k with mixed setting at 60 FPS a game that runs at 56 FPS of average with ultra setting in a 5700 XT (the amd GPU weaker version of ps5 GPU). What exactly is beasty in this perfomance? It's exactly where should be.

 

[Snake29]

I don't think that will happen, it is one small drop in one level and not something that plagues the entire game like AC: V. It would be more likely to see nothing occur, or a potential fix to improve the performance in that section.

Well it has more microstutters/frame dips in multiple scenes. Not only that one level.

So this game doesn't "perform" better on XSX hardware.

 

[assurdum]

good so relax xsx won perform better in this game you will be ok don't worry

Where I say I'm not ok with this? I just a bit disappointed ps5 version isn't it in line with the perfomance expected, especially considered how easily runs in a weaker pc.
Can I express my thought about it or I have to ask the permission to you because he hurts too much hear redimensioned the series X perfomance?

 

[Negotiator101]

Where I say I'm not ok with this? I just a bit disappointed ps5 version isn't it in line with the perfomance expected, especially considered how easily runs in a weaker pc.
Can I express my thought about it or I have to ask the permission to you because he hurts too much hear redimensioned the series X perfomance?

And may I ask what performance is expected?

 

[assurdum]

To be honest, sometime I don't understand how you can conclude such thing. Honestly, when these drops that are just visible during one particular area in one level, I don't understand how you can really say that this small performance difference offers more interest than the increase in resolution which is here 100% of the time in this game...
So just a question now, with ACV, do you think now that XsX versions is more interesting than PS5 versions (with VG Tech stats that was showing XsX more stable at 60fps with patch 1.04) for example ?

Well hearing DF Valhalla should to have the same treatment on ps5 because steady FPS all the life but look how much they celebrate the 4k in this game over a smoother 60 fps at lower resolution. Curious to know what they would have said if the contrary would be happened

 

[assurdum]

And may I ask what performance is expected?

4k on both is not a crazy expectation. Just because this game isn't particularly demanding and it's crossgen. But who knows what's up to the engine.

 

[Shmunter]

I can't tell if people are trolling or actually serious. This is so overly dramatic and ridiculous. It's a quick frame drop at one small spot on the edge of one map. I beat the game and didn't even need to go to that spot.

So you are telling me you would rather take a decent resolution drop across the entire game in favor of a tiny frame boost in 0.01% of the game? Or in my case it would have been 0% of the game. This make no sense.

A resolution jump across the entire game is noticeable. No one would probably even notice that tiny frame drop without a DF graph telling them it exists.

When you meld performance art with a forum post ladies and gentlemen

 

[Negotiator101]

4k on both. Just because this game isn't particularly demanding. But who knows what's up to the engine.

I don't know to be honest, I've seen videos but have yet to play it. It looks decent but nothing amazing, I'd wager its more down to 60fps and open non linear levels and the fact that both these consoles are in their infancy. I'm jumping into next gen for Res 8 and by then we should get a better picture of how these two consoles stack up against each other.

 

[BigLee74]

Playing this on the XSX, and starting again with the legacy levels.

Im only on the first training level (on the pretend yacht), but there's definitely small stutters now and again that suggest it drops ever so slightly, or has frame pacing issues.

Not a lot, but they are there.

I am also finding the game is looking very washed out compared to the same level running on Hitman 2, with the same TV settings, and I can't get it looking as nice. Maybe the HDR implementation isn't that great?

Having said that, I'm enjoying it, but who knows when I'll actually reach the new Hitman 3 levels!

 

[phil_t98]

When you meld performance art with a forum post ladies and gentlemen

Have you played the game?

 

[assurdum]

I can't tell if people are trolling or actually serious. This is so overly dramatic and ridiculous. It's a quick frame drop at one small spot on the edge of one map. I beat the game and didn't even need to go to that spot.

So you are telling me you would rather take a decent resolution drop across the entire game in favor of a tiny frame boost in 0.01% of the game? Or in my case it would have been 0% of the game. This make no sense.

A resolution jump across the entire game is noticeable. No one would probably even notice that tiny frame drop without a DF graph telling them it exists.

If something have teach me something, when such FPS drops happen, rarely are tied to a single scene. Now no one trying to argue such dips are dramatic or ruins the experience, but if you for months parroting fps steady it's the king not res, and at the first occasion changes your narrative because finally you can celebrate the gap you hope for...

 

[Shmunter]

Have you played the game?

No, but as soon as I do I will report back down to 2 decimal places, nay 4 decimal places the framerate BOOOOST

 

[phil_t98]

No, but as soon as I do I will report back down to 2 decimal places, nay 4 decimal places the framerate BOOOOST

So you have all these posts and opinions on a game that you haven't played but is sure it plays better on ps5 even though the only analysis we have says it's better on series x?

 

[assurdum]

I don't know to be honest, I've seen videos but have yet to play it. It looks decent but nothing amazing, I'd wager its more down to 60fps and open non linear levels and the fact that both these consoles are in their infancy. I'm jumping into next gen for Res 8 and by then we should get a better picture of how these two consoles stack up against each other.

In all honesty, it's not exactly an outstanding show even on series X. My opinion but graphic setting are a major letdown, LOD it's the lower possible, but well at least it's 4k native, so mixed setting has a sense there. Now on ps5, I find extremely strange see such game with a medium graphic setting setup for the most, struggle to run in 4k. AC Valhalla if I'm not wrong stay quite higher in the graphic setting on console and it's a free roam. But again engine are not all the same and maybe the fact is so "radicate" in the past generation, doesn't helps the ps5 development.

 

[Zathalus]

Well it has more microstutters/frame dips in multiple scenes. Not only that one level.

So this game doesn't "perform" better on XSX hardware.

Are you referring to the cutscenes from the previous games running in the Hitman 3 engine?

 

[Shmunter]

So you have all these posts and opinions on a game that you haven't played but is sure it plays better on ps5 even though the only analysis we have says it's better on series x?

Yes, This thread is about a DF video, on which I am commenting on. Did you accidentally stray off topic?

 

[Kataploom]

Damn 2K responses and people still don't get these first wave of games are not exactly representative of consoles power at all... People should wait for 9th gen exclusive games first but well, claiming a "win" (whatever that means) is important for their self-esteem I guess...

 

[Concern]

So you have all these posts and opinions on a game that you haven't played but is sure it plays better on ps5 even though the only analysis we have says it's better on series x?

Like probably every single sony stan crying in this thread. We're going on a week almost and the straw grasping and shitposting doesn't look to be slowing down soon.

+44% res/high shadows >>>>>>>> +.01 frame/medium shadows any day.

 

[assurdum]

Damn 2K responses and people still don't get these first wave of games are not exactly representative of consoles power at all... People should wait for 9th gen exclusive games first but well, claiming a "win" (whatever that means) is important for their self-esteem I guess...

Neither in this case to be fair.

 

[assurdum]

So you have all these posts and opinions on a game that you haven't played but is sure it plays better on ps5 even though the only analysis we have says it's better on series x?

The fact the resolution is better doesn't implies you play better on it, especially if sometimes FPS could drops more there, I guess.

 

[Kataploom]

Neither in this case to be fair.

Do you mean neither console? I actually meant both, since both are running a BC version of games, currently multiplatform games are not being designed to take advantage of certain hardware specs.

We should be happy games run this much better as they do now while we wait for actual gen to start, specially hitman since, afaik, last one was very resource intensive (I may be wrong).

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Nobody is able to see the difference between 4k and 1800p until they can.

 

[assurdum]

Do you mean neither console? I actually meant both, since both are running a BC version of games, currently multiplatform games are not being designed to take advantage of certain hardware specs.

We should be happy games run this much better as they do now while we wait for actual gen to start, specially hitman since, afaik, last one was very resource intensive (I may be wrong).

No I said neither Hitman 3 represents exactly the gap expected between the 2 console, at least in the resolution difference.

 

[Concern]

No I said neither Hitman 3 represents exactly the gap expected between the 2 console, at least in the resolution difference.

Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2021]

Question for @Dictator, does the 2060S or 2070S drop frames in scenarios where the consoles do not? Looks like we have a worst case scenario where bandwidth contention is causing drops on consoles in the video, but no equivalent drops presented from PC. The video would be better represented if...

forum.beyond3d.com

According to dictator, he expects this to be the norm. So flip that how you can with another 100+ incoherent posts in here.

 

[assurdum]

Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2021]

Question for @Dictator, does the 2060S or 2070S drop frames in scenarios where the consoles do not? Looks like we have a worst case scenario where bandwidth contention is causing drops on consoles in the video, but no equivalent drops presented from PC. The video would be better represented if...

forum.beyond3d.com

According to dictator, he expects this to be the norm. So flip that how you can with another 100+ incoherent posts in here.

You should stop to respond to me because I ignore you for a reason but nope you can't give up. We already know what Dictator think about ps5 specs. But Dictator is the boy toy of Leadbetter.

 

[Loope]

Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2021]

Question for @Dictator, does the 2060S or 2070S drop frames in scenarios where the consoles do not? Looks like we have a worst case scenario where bandwidth contention is causing drops on consoles in the video, but no equivalent drops presented from PC. The video would be better represented if...

forum.beyond3d.com

According to dictator, he expects this to be the norm. So flip that how you can with another 100+ incoherent posts in here.

They're already flipping it on the other thread

 

[Loope]

You should stop to respond to me because I ignore you for a reason but nope you can't give up. We already know what Dictator think about ps5 specs. But Dictator is the boy toy of Leadbetter.

Dictator know more about tech that you could ever hope to know.When you adress people like that, at least show you actually have the knowledge to do so.

 

[MonarchJT]

Where I say I'm not ok with this? I just a bit disappointed ps5 version isn't it in line with the perfomance expected, especially considered how easily runs in a weaker pc.
Can I express my thought about it or I have to ask the permission to you because he hurts too much hear redimensioned the series X perfomance?

oh sure..of course yes you (as everyone else) can be disappointed, God forbid, but it seems that everyone is just judging the performance so confusingly ..just because the xsx run it simply better. I honestly don't know what the expectations are and why you talk about expected performance .... are you aiming for a "lazy dev" situation? . That said the rest of your answer is superfluous .... honestly guys when multiple devs and people "in the know" including John l. from DF (famously closer to the sony platform) have all in one way or another declared that the XSX would actually improve its performance due to the strong immaturity (compared to the sony counterpart) of what we call "tools"..... why are we so surprised? sooner or later this moment had to come. We are always been talking about a console that has more tf, bw and cpu clock. More than anything else it was surprising what happened so far not the other way around. With this it is not said that all future comparisons will go the same way. we'll see if it happens .. it will only mirror what everyone expected given the specs on the paper

 

[Concern]

You should stop to respond to me because I ignore you for a reason but nope you can't give up. We already know what Dictator think about ps5 specs. But Dictator is the boy toy of Leadbetter.

You should bump the ac faceoff thread. 117 posts in thread with the hot takes of an arm chair developer.

They're already flipping it on the other thread

Im not surprised at all.

 

[Loope]

You should bump the ac faceoff thread. 117 posts in thread with the hot takes of an arm chair developer.




Im not surprised at all.

Who is that armchair developer? Also, wasn't AC better on the PS5?

 

[Concern]

Who is that armchair developer? Also, wasn't AC better on the PS5?

The troll assurdum who's been constantly recycling the same garbage over and over.

Yes thats my point. He keeps clinging to the ac faceoff so thats why im saying he should just go to that thread. That face was 2 months ago an ld this one is just now.

 

[Snake29]

Are you referring to the cutscenes from the previous games running in the Hitman 3 engine?

No Amok4All videos on youtube. You can clearly see how inconsistent the framerate is with a lot of microstutters on the XSX compared to the PS5 version.

 

[phil_t98]

Yes, This thread is about a DF video, on which I am commenting on. Did you accidentally stray off topic?

no I just have the game and can comment on its performance

 

[Negotiator101]

You should stop to respond to me because I ignore you for a reason but nope you can't give up. We already know what Dictator think about ps5 specs. But Dictator is the boy toy of Leadbetter.

I'm not sure this the way to go when discussing an analysis. Alex or Dictator is just doing his job and reporting the facts which are displayed on screen for all to see, a little respect goes a long way I'm sure you agree?

 

[Physiognomonics]

Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2021]

Question for @Dictator, does the 2060S or 2070S drop frames in scenarios where the consoles do not? Looks like we have a worst case scenario where bandwidth contention is causing drops on consoles in the video, but no equivalent drops presented from PC. The video would be better represented if...

forum.beyond3d.com

According to dictator, he expects this to be the norm. So flip that how you can with another 100+ incoherent posts in here.

So basically according to his own criteria the only scene we can use to compare PS5 vs PC is the worst case scenario for PS5 against PC?

All the others games (COD, AC, Destiny 2, Dirt 5 etc.) and all the others scenes more advantageous for PS5 in Hitman 3 don't count? And that scene, one single frame, the worst scene ever for PS5 among all games tested until now, so thousands of hours of footage, is the basis of his comparison and it's going to be the norm for the whole generation?

Wow.

 

[SmurfMustard]

Man, who would have thought Hitman 3 would be the gift that keeps on giving. Almost 2k posts of whining, denial and anger. According to you, it's just one game. So what is all the bitching about? Are you guys that insecure?

 

[Loope]

So basically according to his own criteria the only scene we can use to compare PS5 vs PC is the worst case scenario for PS5 against PC?

All the others games (COD, AC, Destiny 2, Dirt 5 etc.) and all the others scenes more advantageous for PS5 in Hitman 3 don't count? And that scene, one single frame, the worst scene ever for PS5 among all games tested until now, so thousands of hours of footage, is the basis of his comparison and it's going to be the norm for the whole generation?

Wow.

I think it's fair to compare only scenes where all the effects are present, yes. How can it be a correct assessment if one is under more workload that the other?

Same goes for consoles, why compare framerate on two versions running at different resolutions.

 

[Neo_game]

Does anyone know which cutscene they are making this assumption. The one where PS5 drops to 37 and SX to 32fps ? Yes it is huge drop from 60fps. But then again they game is not utilizing these console properly. It seems to be a port from last gen consoles. Even on PC with ultra settings at 4K the game only uses 4.7gb of Vram.

 

[Concern]

So basically according to his own criteria the only scene we can use to compare PS5 vs PC is the worst case scenario for PS5 against PC?

All the others games (COD, AC, Destiny 2, Dirt 5 etc.) and all the others scenes more advantageous for PS5 in Hitman 3 don't count? And that scene, one single frame, the worst scene ever for PS5 among all games tested until now, so thousands of hours of footage, is the basis of his comparison and it's going to be the norm for the whole generation?

Wow.

I really need to borrow the shades you're reading with. Quite the spin you put on there. Wow


He said he found it "the truest measure of performance". Not "ps5 sucks and will perform worse than xsx from now on lolz".


No one console will lead every faceoff. Its all dependent on the devs, talent, engines, and etc.

 

[assurdum]

Dictator know more about tech that you could ever hope to know.When you adress people like that, at least show you actually have the knowledge to do so.

Dictator discussed with me time ago on Resetera because in his opinion no way ps5 had raytracing hardware as Cerny claimed. Just to give you the full picture of the narrative of such "expert". And there is nothing more than an appassionate guy as anyone without probably even has a clue how to code at low API access. If you are an appassionate guy of such stuff you have easily access to the same information who him provides, he says things quite obvious and accessible for everyone in the net

 

[Concern]

Dictator discussed with me time ago on Resetera because in his opinion no way ps5 had raytracing hardware as Cerny claimed. Just to give you the full picture of the narrative of such "expert". And there is nothing more than an appassionate guy as anyone without probably even has a clue how to code at low API access. If you are an appassionate guy of such stuff you have easily access to the same information who him provides, he says things quite banal and accessible for everyone in the net

But its ok when John said Xbox had no rt at launch right? Lol