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DF Rumor: PlayStation 4 is "essentially a PC" in terms of its technological make-up

i-Lo said:
Last time around, all we heard was the "potential" of PS3. Despite the memory bottlenecks, I think this limit was best explored by first parties.

As such, does this mean that for PS4 the performance extracted would be more even between first and third parties?
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yeah it probably will be similar in terms of perfomance between first and third parties...the only problem is that this will be cause more by first party developers not being able to achieve things as they would be with a more complex structure
 
Vaporizer said:
back when sony was unique and dared to be different.


now they are following everybody else. A pc console? what a shame sony. You morphed into a another member of the crowd.
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To be honest, if they do not follow IBM road then this time they are the ones who are unique.
 
Didn't someone from Sony say once that we'll surely get BC on a new console? I highly doubt Sony would drop BC like this...
 
Vaporizer said:
back when sony was unique and dared to be different.


now they are following everybody else. A pc console? what a shame sony. You morphed into a another member of the crowd.
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So many more benefits than drawbacks. Staying on the path means really easy BC in the future and super easy ports directly from pc or xbox and
 
iKeepPlaying said:
No, of course. But if sony hired the guys that developed the emulator. It could be possible to do so?
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Brute forcing the current consoles will likely never or not happen in a long long time. Bc is going to need hardware from the previous console in it. Maybe getting away with just adding the SPUs and just using one of the new cores to run the old power pc core.
 
Krauser Kat said:
So many more benefits than drawbacks. Staying on the path means really easy BC in the future and super easy ports directly from pc or xbox and
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no BC if sony goes with AMD processor. If sony think that's worth it to get ports from xbox a year later then more power to them


kuroshiki said:
To be honest, if they do not follow IBM road then this time they are the ones who are unique.
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There's nothing unique about following the crowd.

This generation sony bought specs such as the cell, XDR RAM, blu ray all that were totally different from everbody else. Their own signature specs.

Now everyone is clapping them for supposedly following the route of the xbox and the wii. There's nothing unique about that.
 
i always say next gen consoles should take on the form factor of dock-able laptops. great computing power and a screen attached...

this sounds like a move in the right direction imo
 
Vaporizer said:
no BC if sony goes with AMD processor. If sony think that's worth it to get ports from xbox a year later then more power to them
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I think he means in the future... they could easily iterate on these PS4 specs with a more powerful version of an x86 chip and produce a PS5 with 100% hardware BC... interesting choice.

Probably also means that development budget will be less and they could more easily pump out a next PS in the future...
 
Brad Grenz said:
So, if graphics don't matter, why would anyone spend $300 to upgrade from their PS3 and 360s? Wii had motion controls to drive adoption, but ultimately the HD console market was larger. Kinect is already on 360. People can already buy tablets. I don't see another gimmick being enough to drive adoption in a next generation of consoles if the hardware improvement isn't going to be evident to the mainstream compared to what is available today. If people can't immediately see the difference between CoD or Madden on a 360 and the new 720, WiiU or PS4 version, why would they whip out their wallets?
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To play the new games that release on that console that they cannot play on their current console. Yes friend, its the games that drive the consoles fates.

I know I just blew your mind.


You're welcome.
 
itsgreen said:
I think he means in the future... they could easily iterate on these PS4 specs with a more powerful version of an x86 chip and produce a PS5 with 100% hardware BC... interesting choice.

Probably also means that development budget will be less and they could more easily pump out a next PS in the future...
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I rather sony got it right with the ps4 and BC than focusing on a distant 20 year old ps5 specs
 
Krauser Kat said:
Brute forcing the current consoles will likely never or not happen in a long long time. Bc is going to need hardware from the previous console in it. Maybe getting away with just adding the SPUs and just using one of the new cores to run the old power pc core.
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Current consoles are easier to emulate because they work through (thin) APIs while older ones were using h/w assembly languages. Perfomance is not a problem. The main problem with SPUs emulation would probably be bandwidth. PPE can be emulated easily, RSX should be pretty straight forward to emulate on any current DX11 GPU.
I'm not saying that PS4 will go the emulation route but saying that it's somehow impossible to emulate current consoles is just plain wrong. It's more possible than it was with PS2 and last time I checked PCSX2 is doing a pretty fine job at this while not being Sony's product at all.
 
Vaporizer said:
no BC if sony goes with AMD processor. If sony think that's worth it to get ports from xbox a year later then more power to them




There's nothing unique about following the crowd.

This generation sony bought specs such as the cell, XDR RAM, blu ray all that were totally different from everbody else. Their own signature specs.

Now everyone is clapping them for supposedly following the route of the xbox and the wii. There's nothing unique about that.
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Fanboy's drivel, sorry. What's unique about the PS3 is the remarkable first party output, not some chip I don't care about. If Sony manages to keep that stable productive enough and draws in more third party then it's a much better prospect...
It's going for customized rather than internally made...doesn't mean it will be less powerfull...
 
Vaporizer said:
I rather sony got it right with the ps4 and BC than focusing on a distant 20 year old ps5 specs
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I can see going the route everybody wants to take, Apple's...

"The name of our next PlayStation console is: PlayStation"

Yearly updates, or every two years of the console, constantly have a premium SKU that sells for 499, let older models drop in price...

They can very easily manage this with a AMD CPU/GPU combo. I can see them striking a multi year development deal with AMD providing a significant improved combo...
 
This could be a far reaching proposition, but I think the new architecture may have something to do with cloud based gaming, akin to OnLive. PS4 (and may be 5) will have the base mechanics known to most developers unlike last time. This is going to ensure not only cutbacks in dev time and spending but also ensure a BC integrated future. This way when Sony does go all cloud they'd already have a large library designed on a system whose forerunners would be running the server farms.
 
As long as it has ps3 bc I'm good. Ps2/ps1 games aren't worth the effort, unless its an hd remake or something.
I hope they make locked 30fps a minimum requirement, with 60fps being the standard.
 
Vaporizer said:
back when sony was unique and dared to be different.


now they are following everybody else. A pc console? what a shame sony. You morphed into a another member of the crowd.
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Meh. They can still be different with the games they bring as exclusives. Just because they want to make the system EASIER for devs to work on, doesn't mean they sold out. They just finally came to the realization that crazy awesome unique stuff (cell) != a great system.
 
I don't see PS4 being PS3 backwards compatible, and well, I don't really care. If you have PS3 games, use your PS3; don't have a PS3? tough luck, buy one, it'll be cheap.
 
Feature said:
easier to get CFW too then I'm guessing, if it's build like a PC.
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A lot easier to rip games and play them on PC too...

I just don't see this happening, I'll say this until this is either confirmed or denied. There is that possibility were I'll "eat crow" but I just highly doubt it.
 
specialguy said:
Starting to wonder if Fusion (something like it) is for PS4 while Microsoft goes IBM CPU AMD GPU?

The reason for MS is they are big on BC, for BC they'll need an IBM CPU again.

Other than that I wouldn't put that much into this. Just a rumor.

In fact I have pretty heavy doubts about an X86 CPU in any console, therefore if there is an X86 CPU in any console, I suspect it's in an AMD SOC where they dont have any choice.

Also, this flood of PS4 news makes me think Sony's mindset is something like "we're not going to let MS launch a year early again", or at most a year not any more. Just my speculation.
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Like this?

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/10/27/amd-far-future-prototype-gpu-pictured/
 
Corto said:
Well, one step closer to a one console future? Will MS license DirectX?
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wont happen.

even with bad ps3 launch , PS3 is expected to sell ~100m LTD , largely because of strong and loyal european customers. SONY would come all guns blazing for PS4
 
I liked the developer oriented focus they are taking once again. That's what got them so successful with the original playstation. Then they started moving more into the esoteric hardware direction with PS2 and eventually the PS3. Seeing the quality of titles developers are putting out at launch with the Vita should be very encouraging for the next generation.
 
kuroshiki said:
PC uses Open GL too.
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Isn't OpenGL getting left behind in the last years? I seem to remember some devs highly praising DirectX in disfavor of OpenGL in the last year or so. Maybe Sony could boost OpenGL development by supporting it? Next months should be fun to finally understand what we will get.
 
Pistolero said:
Fanboy's drivel, sorry. What's unique about the PS3 is the remarkable first party output, not some chip I don't care about. If Sony manages to keep that stable productive enough and draws in more third party then it's a much better prospect...
It's going for customized rather than internally made...doesn't mean it will be less powerfull...
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How is it fanboy drivel?

Sony has a history of always going for wildly different specs for their game consoles. It's what made them unique as a hardware company.

They build their own chips, they form partnerships and their own take on chip design and engineering. There is nothing unique about having a first party portfolio. all 3 companies have them first party devs.
 
Sheikh said:
wont happen.

even with bad ps3 launch , PS3 is expected to sell ~100m LTD , largely because of strong and loyal european customers. SONY would come all guns blazing for PS4
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That is unrealistic to hope in the face of current situation and rate of sale. Sony can't base their future on the hope that they may sell 100mil units.

I am opposed to one console future myself, simply because it will kill any competition which is bad news for consumers.
 
This was basically my dream idea, the same way steam games keep getting mac compatibility, would be nice to see like "now available on PS4" sort of thing, get steam on there. Create a more console friendly interface for it, I WELCOME OUR NEW STEAM OVERLORDS.
 
Vaporizer said:
How is it fanboy drivel?

Sony has a history of always going for wildly different specs for their game consoles. It's what made them unique as a hardware company.

They build their own chips, they form partnerships and their own take on chip design and engineering. There is nothing unique about having a first party portfolio. all 3 companies have them first party devs.
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indeed
Most of the ps3 owners would show their friends how awesome GOW3 /UC3 looks ,just to flaunt ps3's capabilities.
SONY should stick to that stance
 
The main problem with next generation consoles is that for the first time day one games will look better on PC than consoles. In fact if they launch next year an AMD 7970 on today's PCs still will be more powerful than their GPUS by far...

So, I think we are living a triumphal PC revival.
 
This thread amuses me. More specifically, the people who think "PC based" = IS a PC and want their PC games to work on it (WTF), expect Steam to be on it (with ony pushing SEN it is time to give up that dream), think PC applications will work on the system.
 
i-Lo said:
That is unrealistic to hope in the face of current situation and rate of sale. Sony can't base their future on the hope that they may sell 100mil units.

I am opposed to one console future myself, simply because it will kill any competition which is bad news for consumers.
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THis kind of news could mean though that we will get a one console future this next generation already. If this rumor is true MS and Sony next consoles will be "functionally" one console the only thing separating them will be services and exclusives. Devs will rejoice.
 
Sheikh said:
wont happen.

even with bad ps3 launch , PS3 is expected to sell ~100m LTD , largely because of strong and loyal european customers. SONY would come all guns blazing for PS4
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You think PS3 sales will go up this year and next? The US market is shrinking rapidly for all 3 consoles, and Nintendo is launching a new console in Japan with DQX. The PS3 sales in Europe are good, but not that good.
 
Sheikh said:
indeed
Most of the ps3 owners would show their friends how awesome GOW3 /UC3 looks ,just to flaunt ps3's capabilities.
SONY should stick to that stance
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Whatever about architectural choices, I'm willing to wager Sony's best teams will produce uncommon results next-gen as they did this gen - assuming Sony packs a reasonable amount of power in their box, of course.
 
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