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DF Rumor: PlayStation 4 is "essentially a PC" in terms of its technological make-up
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PS3 sales in PAL/europe are very good even though it costs more than wii/x360. It will go higher if price drops to 150ish. SONY has sold 15m ps3s in the last 2 years . In USA it might stay the same or go down . But in ASIA if the price drops further SONY will hit that 90ish mark in 2 years
Skyrim situation was more related with not enough RAM wasn't it?
iceatcs
Junior Member
I suspect MS won't allow that hence that's why Kinect was there first place. They want to be different and one of kind is only way to expanse the market.
Maybe Sony could always copy them (no law for that).
This is all part of the homogenization and efficiency as the driving force which is affecting everything in our lives. Everything is a commodity in the name of getting "more" for less.
Food, clothes, furniture and now games...unique isn't efficient and it is squeezed out. Livestock and grains, everything is effected.
With gaming...look back three generations...so much in house, unique games, little overlap. Started to blur a bit two gens ago...but really got fuzzy last gen.
Now this gen, hardware wise there was still the unique...but software nearly everything is cross platform.
Next gen? Software and hardware is all lining up. If something doesn't change there might be little reason for those with good PCs to even buy a console. Certainly there will be far fewer that buy all the consoles or even two.
Maybe I am getting ahead of myself...but we have to be approaching a complete lack of differentiation, where everything is essentially a PC, but their are tiers according to level of performance you want to pay for or additional features beyond gaming.
Food, clothes, furniture and now games...unique isn't efficient and it is squeezed out. Livestock and grains, everything is effected.
With gaming...look back three generations...so much in house, unique games, little overlap. Started to blur a bit two gens ago...but really got fuzzy last gen.
Now this gen, hardware wise there was still the unique...but software nearly everything is cross platform.
Next gen? Software and hardware is all lining up. If something doesn't change there might be little reason for those with good PCs to even buy a console. Certainly there will be far fewer that buy all the consoles or even two.
Maybe I am getting ahead of myself...but we have to be approaching a complete lack of differentiation, where everything is essentially a PC, but their are tiers according to level of performance you want to pay for or additional features beyond gaming.
skyrim has to with memory.
thats what we all have been saying . Their first party can come up with amazing titles ,provided the power is there in the console. If SONY is thinking that making something easier to develop will port all third party devs from wii/x360 ,then they are very wrong. SONY's strength this gen has been its HW and first party ,which should remain the same next gen
Will it, if the PS4 is weaker than the nextBox won't the same thing happen?
You think PS3 sales will drop to 0 after next year?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Watch Sony and Microsoft both put out some small, cheap SoC powered box that lets you play about the same looking games you get today, only in 1080p, and to get better looking games, they'll still need to be 720p. I'll still be nice, but you can't deny there's going to be the "It took them 7(8) years to bring out this?" feeling about it. Sigh.
I am still betting that there will be some difference in the core hardware.
yep and more people would choose the next xbox since most games which would be multiplat would be better on the next xbox.
SONY's problem has been the split RAM pools and also the different RAM modules- XDR vs GDDR 3, even though both consoles have virtually the same amount of RAM
Form factor, reputation, ease of set-up, proprietary controllers, unique IPs...
There clearly is room for a next-gen.
I agree with you, commodisation kills the little guys and MS/SONY/Nintendo have to push the enveloppe to stay relevant we are clearly going to see casualties but doom&gloom scenarios serve no purpose except sharing your fears which we already all share here.
We love our games whether big, good, ridiculous, small or buggy.
Doubt it. MS' 1st party teams (the pathetic lot they are) are either working on Kinect games, HAlo or Forza. Halo has never been a graphically powerhouse so that leaves Forza. Sony's first parties are quite surprior.
monome said:
Form Factor I'll give you.
Reputation means nothing. Nintendo went from dead lead to first by far. Sony went the opposite direction. If reputation means anything, no one will buy a new Microsoft console because they know how shitty their first run systems were.
Ease of set up? It is already more complicated than ever before. Now they want to make things more PC-like which already people bitch about?
Controllers? Well, only you want to use Kinect, move and a tablet for everything, I'm not sure how this would matter since any gamepad is easily replicated on PC.
Unique IPs? There will be even less exclusives this time around than ever before. Also, more IPs would show up on PC than ever before. No royalty fees, same hardware? Unless they're completely stupid (which they HAVE shawn that they are...)... Meanwhile, PC would continue to thrive with tons of indie games as Steam is the place to be and will remain superior than SEN/PSN or XBL.
Making consoles more PC-like only helps PCs. More games, better indie support, continued digital superiority and selection and way better price points after initial release.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Eh, you're forgetting that in a cash-strapped economy and more small devs out there than ever before and less large development houses and publishers out there than ever before, software exclusivity, by the scarcity of big money to fund games, is probably going to be huge this coming gen...bigger than this one, anyway. I expect nothing less than the biggest advances in non-PC gaming across the board for genres of all types, thanks, in part, to unique standardized controls and interface options found on all things non-PC, but mostly due to a relatively level playing field for all consoles that forces them to compete for the true commodity that all gamers care about: the games themselves. I expect a huge fucking war.
I don't think so. It would have to be a drastic difference to see any real differences in multiplat games. It sounds like Sony is going to be building the PS4 on commodity hardware, which is awesome news for everybody except the 20 guys crying about backward compatibility.
Schweinehund
Member
Would this make it easier to port some steam features over to the ps4? I would like some exploration in that department.
Right, but they can have strong hardware and strong software within the parameters presented here, while being 'easier to develop' for. What I'm saying is, if the PS4 was simply a PC in a box, as long as it was powerful enough, I would bet the Naughty Dogs of this world will still work some uncommon magic with it. I wouldn't worry about that.
There is already some steam integration in the PS3, it shouldn't be a far cry to get the service on there to some extent or another, doesn't have to replace SEN or be a primary service. With the architecture it certainly means possibility for easier porting back and fourth.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
This is true, and in part because there's so much more control over the hardware and no unnecessary abstractions to accessing it. This is visible with Vita too, as there's no API upon API to do things, features are accessible directly, which results in huge hardware efficiency boosts. Carmack made a good remark about this, talking about Vita vs. Smartphones.
Krauser Kat
Member
Even if the xbox 720 has something more than 6670 or its 77xx equivalent the power differences are not going to matter between the three major players holders. Ipad will probably catch up in the GPU department during the next gen as well.
Sounds pretty reasonable and the route I was expecting Sony to go after the announcement and design of the Vita. It seemed they learned a lot of lessons with the PS3 architecture design and I bet they're really involving developers in getting input like they did with the Vita. I look forward to seeing the final design. Hopefully the RAM isn't throttled.
ThatObviousUser
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I wonder if we'll ever get an ARM console. Seems like it could be a perfect fit for Nintendo, but they're passing on it for Wii U. I guess MS isn't out of the picture since Windows 8 will run on ARM...
yes, you hate MS. great. But what does that have to do with ports and 3rd party games? I think that's what they were talking about.
Anyway, I doubt Sony would put out a complete dud so the PDs and NDs will still put out graphically outstanding games.
soul creator
Member
nine hundred ninety nine US Dollars?
Another hope that I have for the PS4 is that it'll have a fast HDD (or at least still give us the option to switch it out with a faster/larger one) and the option to fully install games like on the 360.
The Eurogamer analysis (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-can-ssd-upgrades-boost-ps3-performance) really showed how much of a difference it can make for installed games. I had been planning on getting an SSD hybrid for my PS3 for a while and in that analysis it performs nearly as well as the SSD and is a huge upgrade over the standard HDD.
I also hope that Sony puts the fastest/largest read capacity BRD in there as possible. A lot of texture streaming issues on PS3 stem from the BRD being so slow.
The Eurogamer analysis (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-can-ssd-upgrades-boost-ps3-performance) really showed how much of a difference it can make for installed games. I had been planning on getting an SSD hybrid for my PS3 for a while and in that analysis it performs nearly as well as the SSD and is a huge upgrade over the standard HDD.
I also hope that Sony puts the fastest/largest read capacity BRD in there as possible. A lot of texture streaming issues on PS3 stem from the BRD being so slow.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Yes... that's exactly what he said.
*pats Takuya on the head*
Now go and play. Adults are talking.
Felix Lighter
Member
Anything that makes porting games an easier process is better for the industry, in general. The time spent getting a multiplatform game running on vastly different platforms can be spent on actually making a better game. Having the most exotic architecture isn't going to help a platform anyway. It is a shame about BC, though.
I hate all consoles. Lets get it straight. =) I've owned them all though.
I do apologize for getting confused between 3rd and 1st parties though. I'm sorry.
I bet you first bucks this will never happen and that time will just be used for DLC.
iamshadowlark
Banned
What exactly is this rumor telling us?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
no apologies needed my friend. I was just fucking with ya.
cyberheater
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No. Sony got it wrong with PS3 and Cell. Now it's time for Sony to correct the error.
longdi
Banned
AMD cpu sucks, should go with intel ftw! How far the apple has fallen from the tree.
22nm, efficiency, turbo mode core gating v3.0. I think haswell will have some kind special powers that let the multicores use the system memory smarter.
MS will be even more happy more games work on their windows os
22nm, efficiency, turbo mode core gating v3.0. I think haswell will have some kind special powers that let the multicores use the system memory smarter.
MS will be even more happy more games work on their windows os
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
So between this and Microsoft's push to create the Windows 8 Kinectbox, next gen will be the last step before we're finally all just playing on PCs? I'm ok with this, but if it comes down to buying a PC I can't modify with anything but overpriced proprietary parts without voiding the warranty, and building one with only the parts I need and that I can upgrade at any time, I'm not going to waste money on a "console", especially if the game performance will be essentially identical.
Also, couldn't piracy have a greater affect on console sales if every game was built on PC architecture? I'm shuddering thinking about how they are going to address piracy on future consoles as is.
Also, couldn't piracy have a greater affect on console sales if every game was built on PC architecture? I'm shuddering thinking about how they are going to address piracy on future consoles as is.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
If consoles ceased to exist I'd be fine with that. Sucks but the only reason I own a PS3 is for Sony's games and to reluctantly support the shitty third party devs who can't bother with a PC port.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
kuroshiki said:
And what exactly would be in this for Sony? Where's the revenue coming from?
Why can't people get it into their heads that consoles exist to sell proprietary software that the platform holder gets a cut from?
Its about making money, period.
This is why ditching the online product portfolio built up over years is such a big deal-breaker.
Building a new piece of hardware is expensive, but building a comprehensive product roster for that hardware is exponentially more time and cost consumptive.
iamshadowlark
Banned
haven't consoles always been stripped down PCs? I don't see how this is going to make the PS4 any less of a console as PS3. I keep hearing this but nobody has explained it at all...
iamshadowlark
Banned
You're confusing R&D with production costs.
What did the design of Cell cost?
Next gen? With the amount of patching going on and Microsoft later changing the OS to allow for optional installs, this generation consoles already became underpowered pcs. Right now the only console convenience left, is not having to worry about graphic card compatibility.
iceatcs
Junior Member
iamshadowlark
Banned
About 400 mil.
Questions for some of you more tech sapient fellow.
If the PS4 comes out in late 2013 or 2014, possibly using 'off the self' hardware which is already locked down and no more than a year old, what are some realistic expectations for the system? 6000-8000 series GPU, 4 or more Piledriver or Steamroller cores, 40nm or 28nm, super low TDP. Help me out.
Is it possible that if the system isn't released until 2014, Sony could somehow manage to include a high-end GPU and price the barebones SKU for 299.99??
If the PS4 comes out in late 2013 or 2014, possibly using 'off the self' hardware which is already locked down and no more than a year old, what are some realistic expectations for the system? 6000-8000 series GPU, 4 or more Piledriver or Steamroller cores, 40nm or 28nm, super low TDP. Help me out.
Is it possible that if the system isn't released until 2014, Sony could somehow manage to include a high-end GPU and price the barebones SKU for 299.99??
if wiiu releases this year the ps4 is coming in '13.
GlamFM
Banned
Why oh why? It has pretty much failed this Gen.