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DF Rumor: PlayStation 4 is "essentially a PC" in terms of its technological make-up
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GlamFM
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Untrue.
Did you even read the entire threaded discussion through the quotes? He was pretty much saying "The PS3 won't reach 100m LTD" and using "You think PS3 sales are going up in the next 2 years?" and the WiiU as his arguments. Essentially he believes PS3 numbers will stall enough to prevent the console from reaching 100m LTD.
The cell is an issue for ports as well. The architecture is completely unique and not user friendly at all. Plus the advances in CPUs over the past few years have pretty much negated the benefits unique to the Cell. Sony will be able to get a powerful, efficient, easy to use, multicore CPU for the PS4 for much cheaper than the Cell was. Besides, most of the cell production plants have closed and further research on it was pretty much abandoned a while back.
cyberheater
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True. Not only was bluray a large portion of launch cost (I believe it was estimated to cost $140 or 160) the laser was scarce and limited initial production. This is all easily googlable and i have posted links before.
alexandros
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DF Rumour: "PS4 essentially a PC"
Gabe Newell: "We'd rather let hardware making to others"
Portal 2 a Steamworks title on PS3
Counterstrike: GO cross-platform play on PC/PS3
Hmm.... Maybe the "Steambox" is even closer than we think.
Gabe Newell: "We'd rather let hardware making to others"
Portal 2 a Steamworks title on PS3
Counterstrike: GO cross-platform play on PC/PS3
Hmm.... Maybe the "Steambox" is even closer than we think.
This (the bolded) is pretty much all wrong. You can get a more powerful core. Or a more efficient core. Or one that is easier to use. You absolutely cannot get all three. The Cell SPEs are wonders of efficiency when programmed correctly (admittedly not the easiest task).
i can say this for everything after half a decade.
ports,if the ram was handled better wouldn't have muddier textures like some cases.
if bluray didn't add such a cost and the gpu was better,the difference with other consoles would be shown not only with the ps3 exclusives.
Pai Pai Master
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iKeepPlaying
Banned
PS4: Compatible with every title on Steam library.
OK, my wording was bad. You can get one that will have a solid balance of those features that will benefit third party developers a lot more for much cheaper than the Cell.
Shai-Tan
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Thunder Monkey
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Ummm... yeah.
I'd say it's a pretty safe bet it won't get to 100 million units. They have over 30 million units to go, and likely less than two years of viability left. If they get there, it will be just barely.
yeah,another thing is that the longer loading of multiplatforms on ps3 and the necessary install wasn't due to bluray,it was because of the cell..............
cell was an issue at the beginning.
Blizzard PC dev team is also the PS4 dev team...
ThatObviousUser
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there's this thing called directx that would get in the way of that
I think Source uses OpenGL at least, which is why they were able to put out OS X versions.
But yeah, in order for Steam to partially work PS4 would have to fun some kind of OpenGL-supporting Linux or Valve would have to rewrite some of their games. Probably not extensively but it might be prohibitive.
njean777
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The thing is, imagine Killzone 3 or Uncharted running at 60fps with better textures, AA, and beter post processing effects. That is what you will see next gen, PC's already do it, and more people are starting to notice this now, which is why PC gaming has been getting more love on Gaf from people who usually play only on consoles. Thats is a huge bump of power in itself. To sit here and say I want an Intel I7 and 8gb of ram/GTX 580 is ridiculous. As that build is really expensive, that build right now would cost almost 800$ for the processor and GPU alone. People are not gonna pay that much for a console, sony showed that this gen with the ps3.
Also dont use COD as a reference point, its is not a graphical powerhouse. If anything you will get a better looking COD without any frame drops like the ones have today on consoles.
Most likely not, people are intimidated by pc's. Not to mention that some people do not like KB/M which would cause a huge problem with online shooters. The pc gamers would wipe the floor with controller users. Also a lot of people have psn/live friends that they want to stay in touch with so I am just gonna say no for next gen, maybe the gen after that but not this coming gen.
H_Prestige
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I always thought a console was a machine that played proprietary software.
Tarin02543
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This is good news for us PC gamers as this will lift the console burden from newer pc games.
MightyHedgehog
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Sony versus the Kutaragi-ites?
Consoles exist to drive non-PC game software (regardless of whether versions exist on PC or not), of course.
what part of that statement is untrue?
As for kutaragi, he was the single best man to work for sony after ohga. Sony has no one of his calibre working for their playstation division anymore. Ken believed in a unique sony. Company nowadays is run by me too people.
if that happens, say good bye to sony as a games manufacturer
ItWasMeantToBe19
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So with a lot of PS4 rumors finally starting up, is it starting to look likely that PS4 will be shown at e3 or TGS sometime this year? (I know Sony has quotes saying they won't show PS4 at e3, but they could have changed plans)
Woo-Fu
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Actually, consoles exist to lock you in to one platform and then rape you with premium pricing on peripherals and exclusive content.
It really has nothing whatsoever to do with being non-PC, particularly seeing as how they're just blackbox computers in the first place.
MightyHedgehog
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Well, whatever, man. Semantics.
(Actually, I think it has everything to do with non-PC software in the sense that the model which allows traditional loss-leading consoles to exist in the first place is purely interested in piling up third party license and service fees for console copies sold more than anything else to sustain its viability and drive revenue and profit in larger amounts as the generation wears on. To be relevant, though, the console platforms require exclusive games while PCs and other general purpose platforms don't.)
Sentenza
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Well, yes, and to be honest I think it's pretty much what's wrong with them.
It's not a coincidence that few developers even in the console market are starting to argue about the fall of consoles and the rise of PCs and tablets on the long run (despise the fact that now consoles have the lion's share).
Big budget games are reaching production costs comparable to those of big budget movies, and yet console manufacturers keep fragmenting the market between many proprietary closed platforms.
If you really think about it, it would be like the Hollywood film industry making movies able to run only on specific brands of televisions/disc readers, plus paying salty royalties at these TV manufacturers.
I'm guessing this is a trend destined to change at some point in the next years, it isn't really convenient for anyone (beside the manufacturers).
njean777
Member
buying a game for 10-15 bucks is not bad, now the controllers and other things I agree, but you are wrong on the exclusive content . Used games/new game sales can net you a lot of games for cheap.
Lagspike_exe
Member
PS3 strategic price reduction potential is severely hampered by the fact that a hard drive is mandatory, so I think they won't drop the price point below $150.
AgentP
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Skyrim has to do with Bethesda.
H_Prestige
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The only good things about the ps3 hardware are blu ray and non-proprietary hard drives. The actual graphics hardware is pure shit compared to what MS made. Vita is much more intelligently designed in that respect.
They gain virtually nothing from doing that. Might as well port all their games to Xbox or Nintendo as well and just go third party.
Can't they design a ps3 with like 8-16GB flash storage? That would be similar to the 20GB ps3. IIRC, the engineers said they were considering such a move with the ps3 slim.
Felix Lighter
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What did the Cell architecture do for the software, the actual thing that end users care about, that was so unique from other platforms? I don't get your obsession with creating something unique on the hardware side when the end goal is just to create a quality platform for games.
Well in fairness, Kutaragi didn't think that's why they existed either. His pursuit of custom silicon was a means, not an end.
It provided a nice slab of high performance w/ way higher programmability - so you had pretty advanced techniques being used that would have been difficult to consider on alternatives that might have been available in 05/06. You could argue that this might have been less necessary with a better GPU, but even if PS3 had a 'better GPU' of that time, Cell would have still been applied to do more still and 'improve the software' vs what else might have gone into the box. Cell basically did add go-faster stripes to PS3's graphics capabilities - that's what it did for the software - but that would have still been true if another GPU of that era had been used.
Building a box today and things might look different. I don't think a Cell or Cell-like high-FP CPU would necessarily go to waste in a next-gen system, but with GPUs providing lots of performance with much higher flexibility than was available when PS3 hit, there is a question of how 'big' your CPU needs to be...particularly in a closed box, I think. That general/flexible slab of high FP processing - to give scope for continuing software evolution and experimentation - now exists quite strongly on the GPU side.
chaosblade
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This would be really disappointing because it would essentially guarantee no BC. You're not going to emulate the PS3 CPU anytime soon. New consoles are going to need to include input for pass-through or something so you can plug the old console into it. We only have so many HDMI inputs on our receivers/TVs.
Maybe Sony would manage a PC-console better than Microsoft did with the Xbox at least. The Xbox was a beast specs-wise, but when compared to the PS2 is really didn't show it as much as you'd have expected.
Maybe Sony would manage a PC-console better than Microsoft did with the Xbox at least. The Xbox was a beast specs-wise, but when compared to the PS2 is really didn't show it as much as you'd have expected.
MightyHedgehog
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Right, but the misguided followers who have confused this part are the Kutaragi-ites in my statement.
The rumors surrounding PS4 make me happy, especially if it means that it will be easier for developers to make games. That was the main thing i wished for the new playstation and it seems Sony got the message from developers loud and clear. Easier development will result in more and better games. As a customer, i would gladly take this over complicated development on more powerful hardware leading to a lot of "subpar" games and a few notably (meaning stunning) exceptions.
I've been a PS3 only owner this generation and it has been frustrating knowing that virtually every multiplatform game was better on the console i didn't own (xbox). I kept my ps3 for the exclusive games, which i thought were good to awesome.
I'm not too worried about losing BC although i own quite a lot of ps3 games. I think it's better to make a clean break now and start fresh ready for the future. I'll keep my PS3 for my ps3 games if no other BC solution comes up.
So consider me excited for the next Playstation if the rumors are true.
I've been a PS3 only owner this generation and it has been frustrating knowing that virtually every multiplatform game was better on the console i didn't own (xbox). I kept my ps3 for the exclusive games, which i thought were good to awesome.
I'm not too worried about losing BC although i own quite a lot of ps3 games. I think it's better to make a clean break now and start fresh ready for the future. I'll keep my PS3 for my ps3 games if no other BC solution comes up.
So consider me excited for the next Playstation if the rumors are true.
Shining Sunshine
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Isn't it more like Bethesda are inferior PS3 developers given their history?
H_Prestige
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No it won't. Selling more hardware will result in more games. "Better" is completely subjective.
-Pyromaniac-
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This is good for Sony. Will suck short term due to not BC but will pay off long term due to the numerous great benefits.
Then they should start implementing servers specifically for them types of people who rather play with a controller than KB/M. That way you can have it all, use either depending on how you're feeling at the moment. Enough closed off systems telling you what to do. You do what you want to do. The gaming industry will have to follow suit.
We have tons of tools for a PSN/Live like friends network. Steam being #1 at the moment, but you can pick whichever you and your friends like.