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DF: The Touryst PS5 - The First 8K 60fps Console Game
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Onironauta
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How can this game be CPU-bound if it runs on Switch which has a much weaker CPU than the Jaguar? I think the PS5 version is simply more optimized than the PS4 one.
Putonahappyface
Member
Getting some nice nostalgic 1980s vibes here with this game.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Pretty outstanding result from a dev not known for this type of output.
ethomaz
Banned
From the last DF video the Call of Duty 120Hz mode looks to be CPU bound and that is show in the 20-30fps drops.
This one definitively not.
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sncvsrtoip
Member
Yes I know but also found value of 3240p in other article
Elbow Identity Shallow
Member
Pfft, only native 6K on Series X?
Clearly I'm joking and I shouldn't really need to explain that.
It's always good to see the work of people who originated in the demo scene bring that demo scene ethos over to commercial products. Super sampling is an incredible way to implement high quality anti aliasing but it's obviously an incredibly expensive way to do it's really not suitable for the vast majority of modern games. I am really impressed that the team have wanted to taken advantage of each particular platform's strengths just to see what they could achieve.
I'm quite surprised at how different the 6K and 8K super sampling looked on the two consoles to be honest, even on YouTube.
It is a beautiful game irrelevant of the platform and supposed to be a lot of fun too so I will definitely get around to playing it at some point.
Clearly I'm joking and I shouldn't really need to explain that.
It's always good to see the work of people who originated in the demo scene bring that demo scene ethos over to commercial products. Super sampling is an incredible way to implement high quality anti aliasing but it's obviously an incredibly expensive way to do it's really not suitable for the vast majority of modern games. I am really impressed that the team have wanted to taken advantage of each particular platform's strengths just to see what they could achieve.
I'm quite surprised at how different the 6K and 8K super sampling looked on the two consoles to be honest, even on YouTube.
It is a beautiful game irrelevant of the platform and supposed to be a lot of fun too so I will definitely get around to playing it at some point.
ethomaz
Banned
Yeap it is not a standard but 8k should be close/around 2x 6k even choosing different resolutions.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Thanks for the correction!
Reallink
Member
Architectural gains would be in the +30-50% range in best case scenarios, not +1000%.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
so basically this game pushes xsx and ps5 to the limit
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ethomaz
Banned
There is more in the article.
www.eurogamer.net
"Shin'en tells us that in the case of its engine, the increase to clock frequencies and the difference in memory set-up makes the difference."
So it is not just the higher clock but the memory setup too.
The Touryst is the first 8K 60fps game for PS5
Shin'en Multimedia's brilliant game - The Touryst - is now available for PS4 and PS5 consoles and it is now confirmed a…
www.eurogamer.net
"Shin'en tells us that in the case of its engine, the increase to clock frequencies and the difference in memory set-up makes the difference."
So it is not just the higher clock but the memory setup too.
MasterCornholio
Member
They actually said that?
I can't watch the video right now so I wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake.
Edit: NVM I just saw the article. Very interesting though.
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Md Ray
Member
This is pretty interesting.
Captain Toad
Banned
I didn't really care for the game, but it made me really want a new 3D Dot Game Heroes.
Fake
Member
I remember John mention that only a native PS5 app could take full advance over RDNA 2.0, if not would be just an overclock PS4 PRO legacy mode.
skneogaf
Member
I tried dark souls 3 and I get around 35 to 40 fps at 8k.
6k gives me 60fps which cleans up the chain mail.
I still use 4k though as the latency goes down to less than 7ms
Low Moral Fibre
Member
Great little game.
Looked clean as hell at 6k so 8k gonna be crisp as fuck.
Looked clean as hell at 6k so 8k gonna be crisp as fuck.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
Because the visuals are simple, what matters is the machine that can push more pixels, I think.
So this in one example where the higher Pixel Rate of the PS5 makes a concrete difference.
Lol Imagine if this video had come out last week when we were discussing the advantages the PS5 might have with its higher clock speeds.
I am guessing one of these things are helping this particular game help hit higher resolutions. Though i still wont declare victory yet. Not every game seems to be benefiting from higher clocks like this. At the end of the day, tflops are still the best metric for ingame performance.
Always bet o Cerny you fools!
But it must be said... the SeX wasn't running this game completely native like the PS5 is, right?
This must makes things a bit more difficult.
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Onironauta
Member
Definitely, but that's unrelated to what i was talking about
ethomaz
Banned
To be more accurate they shared in the exact resolution...
"6K instead (5760x3240, to be precise)"
5760x3240 = 18.662.400
It is 77% more pixels in that case.
ethomaz
Banned
Can non-native Series X games reach 6k in resolution? I'm inclined to say this game is using GDK (native Series game).
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
maybe it was 12 fps on 2070... and closer to 30 on 3080 ? I must be messing something up
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Incredible how a 2yo indie game is suddenly relevant...
Serious question: why go for resolutions that almost all screens can’t even display, and not aim for very high fps instead?
Who am I kidding? I know the answer.
Serious question: why go for resolutions that almost all screens can’t even display, and not aim for very high fps instead?
Who am I kidding? I know the answer.
assurdum
Banned
Forgive me but this is a pure nonsense. What about the XSX hardware specs is able to render more "complex" rendering? I don't follow you. Faster GPU is faster in everything, XSX has more CUs and outside that, GPU hasn't any other advantage
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skneogaf
Member
Not sure, I wonder if DF mentions it on the xbox series version of the Touryst?
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
the game has a 120 fps mode.....
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
Watching teh video, they say that the shadows were improved and this looks true, but not at all times? When they show that back and forth comparison inside a store, isn't the SeX the one with better shadows? Look at the objects in and around the shelves, they are properly shadowed, but in the PS5 version we can see that the upside of the objects are not. Isn't this worse?
Arioco
Member
Yep, that's what the devs told DF according to John.
Not that it's that unexpected after all. When One S launched I remember Microsoft engenieers explaining DF that they could get more juice from a 7% overclock than they do from a 17% increase in the number of CUs.
And MS has done it again this gen when they allowed devs to choose between running Series X CPU at 3.6 Ghz using 16 threads and running it at 3.8 Ghz using only 8 threads. Why would they do that if more cores/threads performed better than higher frecuencies in any circumstance? I guess it all depends on the engine and what could be bottlenecking the system in that specific scenario. On the other hand having more compute power/Tflops has its own benefits.
01011001
Banned
true. it could be that they basically balance eachother out somewhat in most games
Arioco
Member
It has a 4K@120fpd mode. What did you expect? A 1080p@480fps? I'm sure that a lot of screen out there can display that, right.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Why not aim higher than that too, since this feels like a “we did it because we could” thing?
Varnish La PS
Member
Wow, these characters look as realistic as Amazon boxes on 8K.
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Great Hair
Banned
Did not expect to see any difference between 6k and 8k downscaled to 4K.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
Read what I wrote immediately after the comma.
Fake
Member
Are you talking about Series X vs PS5? I guess the video explain why. Is the GPU Clock/CU disable thing I guess.
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Md Ray
Member
No, it's GPU bound. If last-gen PS4/XB1 could do near 60fps avg, then PS5/XSX including XSS have a ton of headroom for 120+fps on the CPU side.
skneogaf
Member
I remember saying that I thought the xbox series x needed to try to increase the clock rate as it looked low when I first saw it.
The xbox series x is 1.825 GHZ which definitely seems to have harmed some games, especially the ones that have had the ps5 as the lead console for development.
Maybe 2GHZ with a few less CU's would have helped with the ps5 lead games.
Its always really interesting when games like this show the differences.
The xbox series x is 1.825 GHZ which definitely seems to have harmed some games, especially the ones that have had the ps5 as the lead console for development.
Maybe 2GHZ with a few less CU's would have helped with the ps5 lead games.
Its always really interesting when games like this show the differences.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
i was told vrr will role out around December once it is certified.
skit_data
Member
Yeah exactly, there will always be the TFLOPs differentiator between the two, making exact comparisons when it comes to CU/clockspeed inaccurate. I didn’t expect the difference between the two be this small pre-launch, though.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
What TVs support 120+ fps?
Dusktildawn48
Member
I definitely wanna play this eventually, but $20 is too much for a supposedly 2 hour game.
Fake
Member
Rich said on the video VRR was his top priority from Sony than 8k but is crazy to think 8k output support will come close or if not in the same instance as VRR?