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[Vrolokus]

Sony can't lose. Their stranglehold over the average gamer is ridiculous.

Someone said this about Atari once. And Nintendo. And Sega. :lol

 

[krypt0nian]

The next generation is up for grabs.

Basically that's the bottom line ... what else is there to say?

Everyone starts from 0, any one of the three could "win" the next-generation, none are exactly "long shots", they're all extremely well-funded and all have a good stable of exclusive franchises.

And it's amazing how insane this thought would have been just one year ago. Makes for an interesting generation.

 

[cvxfreak]

Sorry, but this is stupid. Nintendo has been the sole reigning king in the handheld department for 20 years. To suddenly think any newcomer, no matter what brand, could come in and sell in close quantities is ridiculous. PSP is basically the Neo Geo Pocket, The Nomad, the Lynx, aka...the "other" handheld and it's faring quite well in that aspect.

For Sony to beat "the king of handhelds" in the handheld war, would be like expecting Nintendo to beat "the king of consoles" in the console war; both which are unlikely scenarios IMO. People stick with the brands they love and know. Nintendo = handhelds, Sony = consoles.

This ignores the fact that Nintendo plunged from first to third in Japan over the course of a generation in Japan. Sega never could have dreamt of beating the Super Famicom, but they beat N64 with Saturn. And I'd bet good money that if Dreamcast stuck around it would have been able to rival the GC in total sales. This doesn't even take into account Sony. The videogame market is never truly consistent as positions do shift every now and then.

PSP would have won the handheld war if their strategy was right and Nintendo's was wrong. Simple. But it's the total opposite so this is what we have.

And for this console market, if Nintendo makes the right choices and Sony the wrong, then Nintendo will win. Simple. Microsoft made the wrong decisions with the 360 there, and they're suffering as a result.

 

[DreamMachine]

This ignores the fact that Nintendo plunged from first to third in Japan over the course of a generation in Japan. Sega never could have dreamt of beating the Super Famicom, but they beat N64 with Saturn. And I'd bet good money that if Dreamcast stuck around it would have been able to rival the GC in total sales. This doesn't even take into account Sony. The videogame market is never truly consistent as positions do shift every now and then.

PSP would have won the handheld war if their strategy was right and Nintendo's was wrong. Simple. But it's the total opposite so this is what we have.

And for this console market, if Nintendo makes the right choices and Sony the wrong, then Nintendo will win. Simple. Microsoft made the wrong decisions with the 360 there, and they're suffering as a result.

Personally I think that no decision MS would have made would've made the outcome better in japan. They Will be releasing some RPG's with in the year. and if that doesn't work I wouldn't know what ms could do at all.

 

[HocusPocus]

I really don't think Sony can count on Europe as much as in the past. The high prices here are just insane over there. Not sure if the 360 or Wii can beat them in Europe, but the market might just be open to either platform. I think Japan is prime territory for the Wii and North America the edge would be 360 for the early release and middle of the road pricing. There's going to be an insane amount of great titles coming out later this year, so the platform will be ready for the masses.

 

[Bebpo]

Microsoft made the wrong decisions with the 360 there, and they're suffering as a result.

Right...

I think that shows brand loyalty (or is it disloyalty) to the extreme and how important it is in the Japanese game market.

Even if X360 was $50, launched with Final Fantasy, DQ, etc..., had the best marketing possible, the system would have done terrible in Japan as it has.

And the SNES/Genesis were fairly close in terms of popularity so it's not that big of surprise that the N64 lost. SNES/Genesis race would be more akin to something like the MS/Sony race where they were close in worldwide popularity last gen, so it wouldn't be to surprising if MS takes #1 this time around (I think that's fairly likely). But the difference between GC and PS2 was huge (were talking about popularity, not units sold. Most people were disatisfied with their GCs and many sold them later, something that didn't happen with the Xbox). You could almost say Wii is more like the DC where Nintendo fans have been burned by two generations of ho-hum console support just like Sega fans had been burned by Saturn and SegaCD/32x.

 

[DarienA]

Someone said this about Atari once. And Nintendo. And Sega. :lol

Who EVER said that about Sega?

 

[davepoobond]

Who EVER said that about Sega?

during the middle of 1994

 

[xaosslug]

The next generation is up for grabs.

Basically that's the bottom line ... what else is there to say?

Everyone starts from 0, any one of the three could "win" the next-generation, none are exactly "long shots", they're all extremely well-funded and all have a good stable of exclusive franchises.

:lol

I certainly don't think leadership is "in the bag" for PS3 next-gen, but to say that they don't have the edge is... hopeful thinking on the part of fans of competing consoles...

The way I see it is because Sony isn't putting PS2 down on the heels of PS3's release, Playstation fans have their PS2s to keep them busy until PS3s are available/affordable to them. So, why would Playstation fans jump from one ship to another ship not bearing the Playstation logo, and they weren't interested in the previous-gen, when the ship they're on right now's successor is in the pipeline?

 

[davepoobond]

:lol

I certainly don't think leadership is "in the bag" for PS3 next-gen, but to say that they don't have the edge is... hopeful thinking on the part of fans of competing consoles...

The way I see it is because Sony isn't putting PS2 down on the heels of PS3's release, Playstation fans have their PS2s to keep them busy until PS3s are available/affordable to them. So, why would Playstation fans jump from one ship to another ship not bearing the Playstation logo, and they weren't interested in the previous-gen, when the ship they're on right now's successor is in the pipeline?

cause that would be too simple?

 

[Lord Error]

Your average gamer isn't going to spend $700+ dollars this Chistmas to get PS3 and a game.

Average gamers won't be buying PS3 this christmas anyways, unless it's the same kind of "average gamers" who didn't mind spending $1000+ for Xbox 360 last christmas on ebay.

And to be honest, I don't see how you, as a developer of a game that will be on PS3, benefit from perpetuating the meme of PS3 being 600+ dollars. The more expensive PS3 model shouldn't even be in consideration for those so called average gamers, when the cheaper one does everything they need.

 

[Lapsed]

Sorry, but this is stupid. Nintendo has been the sole reigning king in the handheld department for 20 years. To suddenly think any newcomer, no matter what brand, could come in and sell in close quantities is ridiculous. PSP is basically the Neo Geo Pocket, The Nomad, the Lynx, aka...the "other" handheld and it's faring quite well in that aspect.

For Sony to beat "the king of handhelds" in the handheld war, would be like expecting Nintendo to beat "the king of consoles" in the console war; both which are unlikely scenarios IMO. People stick with the brands they love and know. Nintendo = handhelds, Sony = consoles.

Whoa, wait a minute! In 1995-6, Nintendo was the undisputed king of consoles and Sony was the newcomer with the Playstation.

Why couldn't the PSP succeed just like the Playstation did? Why are you changing the rules of consoles and handhelds? Nintendo can be beaten in the handheld department just as they were beaten in the console department. Why are they supposedly 'invincible' in the handheld market but not in the console market?

Handheld gamers tend to be normal everyday people who want a little game while on the train. Console gamers tend to be nerds who go to arcades and and read internet boards.

Most console gamers don't read internet boards and there are no arcades to go to anymore in America (and Europe too?). I admit that with the number of gamers shrinking that the nerdy ones (which today's marketing labels 'hardcore') make up a more significant part of the audience than they were before. But game consoles have traditionally always sold most to non-hardcore.

Odd. When I do actually happen in a game store and inquire about PS3/Wii hype I tend to get a "we get 10-30 phone calls a day asking about when PS3 pre-orders will go up. It's really annoying and bothersome." line from most. Retailers seem to be thinking the hype/demand is in full effect and launch will be much more crazy than the X360 in terms of lines and demand from my pointless anecdotal evidence much like yours.

I wouldn't use the Xbox 360 for a good comparison. While the Xbox 360 did launch to great hype and fanfare, this fast fades and the system has not been selling as well as the original Xbox. We must see past the early adopters and hardcore fans and look at the longterm market. The biggest barrier of the PS3 is going to be its price. Now, that price can come down in time but this will take a while.

PS3 isn't a kids system. Eventually it will be, but not in its early years. Adults who have money will be buying it because they are old enough to understand they will get years of value out of the system and they're smart enough to realize there is no "risk" with the PS3 as it will get plenty of support its entire lifetime even if it's not the "1st" place system.

Here is a fascinating story I'd like to share when I picked up a DS Lite when it launched (Wal-Mart at midnight since I expected the system to sell-out. Damn the Xbox 360 for poisoning my perspective of hardware droughts!). The cashier, a middle aged woman, looked at my DS Lite and admitted she didn't know anything about game consoles and the like. I politely nodded thinking, "Why ought she?" But then she blurted that she was working these midnight hours so she could get more money to buy a Playstation 3. "What!?" I responded for that came at me right out of the blue. Curiously, I asked, "Why do you want a Playstation 3 at launch?"

She responded, "It is not for myself but for my nephew. He is begging for a PS3 and so our entire family is pooling money together so he can have one." This so stunned me that I didn't know what to say. I just took my DS Lite and left while thinking about this.

Circumstancial evidence or not, the poor and little kids are looking to get the PS3 at launch. The myth of six figured gentlemen like doctors and lawyers only getting the PS3 is just that... a myth. When shopping stores, I often see kids drag their mother to the PSP area and beg for a game. Children are a huge part of the Playstation market. I ask some highschoolers I know about what they see kids their age doing (in order to find out future trends). The kid says that the hardcore players are almost always Nintendo players. Most kids were initially turned off to the DS but once playing, especially multiplayer, they went and picked up the system. He said that many kids, trying to be cool or something, have a PSP but rarely play it. What did this report say about the PSP? Style over substance? That sums it up nicely.

It is well known that teenagers and little kids love GTA 3 the most (and probably God of War as well). The more 'mature' some software pretends to be, the more it attracts the pre-teens and teenagers of young males. Why is it so hard to believe that kids are begging their stupid parents to buy a PS3 at launch? There were many kids that got a Xbox 360 at launch as well. These kids, these spoiled brats, will get what they want. Whenever I want to see the newest cars out now, I just drive by a high school parking lot. It's full of new cars! But alas, my old grumpiness is showing now. :lol

 

[Lord Error]

The idea of convergence is not happening.

Various ideas of convergence are flourishing just fine all around you. You are typing your posts here on one, and you are making phone calls on another one when you're outside. And so do millions other people. PSP is doing pretty fine with it too, btw and even Ipod to a smaller degree (audio + video)

I admit that with the number of gamers shrinking

Do you have any proof of that?

 

[davepoobond]

She responded, "It is not for myself but for my nephew. He is begging for a PS3 and so our entire family is pooling money together so he can have one." This so stunned me that I didn't know what to say. I just took my DS Lite and left while thinking about this.

a whole family has to "pool together" money starting in june with this lady working midnight hour shifts to buy a ps3? they must be anticipating 2000 dollar prices on ebay or something because if a whole family needs to prep all the 5 months before its coming out to pay for 600 dollars and a game, i think they have more to worry about than just being able to buy the nephew a present.

 

[cvxfreak]

Right...

I think that shows brand loyalty (or is it disloyalty) to the extreme and how important it is in the Japanese game market.

Even if X360 was $50, launched with Final Fantasy, DQ, etc..., had the best marketing possible, the system would have done terrible in Japan as it has.

On the contrary, I don't think the Japanese are jaded enough as to ignore the 360 to the extreme in the way you state it.

Microsoft's strategy with the 360 is like the GC's without the added benefit of Nintendo's games selling the system. Get some popular genre games (RE, Tales) and hope the Japanese swallow it. It works to an extent, but not quite. Microsoft is trying the same, with games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, but it's not going to work.

And the SNES/Genesis were fairly close in terms of popularity so it's not that big of surprise that the N64 lost. SNES/Genesis race would be more akin to something like the MS/Sony race where they were close in worldwide popularity last gen, so it wouldn't be to surprising if MS takes #1 this time around (I think that's fairly likely). But the difference between GC and PS2 was huge (were talking about popularity, not units sold. Most people were disatisfied with their GCs and many sold them later, something that didn't happen with the Xbox). You could almost say Wii is more like the DC where Nintendo fans have been burned by two generations of ho-hum console support just like Sega fans had been burned by Saturn and SegaCD/32x.

What region are you talking about? I was talking about Japan. I don't think anyone believes the Wii will win NA here. Japan is the ultimate example of a dramatic brand loyalty shift, while it can be argued that the N64 was a continuation of Nintendo's decline in NA.

And now we have someone comparing Wii to Dreamcast. First the 360, now Wii. :lol

 

[AniHawk]

Circumstancial evidence or not, the poor and little kids are looking to get the PS3 at launch. The myth of six figured gentlemen like doctors and lawyers only getting the PS3 is just that... a myth. When shopping stores, I often see kids drag their mother to the PSP area and beg for a game. Children are a huge part of the Playstation market. I ask some highschoolers I know about what they see kids their age doing (in order to find out future trends). The kid says that the hardcore players are almost always Nintendo players. Most kids were initially turned off to the DS but once playing, especially multiplayer, they went and picked up the system. He said that many kids, trying to be cool or something, have a PSP but rarely play it. What did this report say about the PSP? Style over substance? That sums it up nicely.

No kidding. It's really sad to see the lack of respect a lot of these kids have for their parents or the almighty dollar. They make some piddly change and then spend it on The Hustle because it's only $12.

 

[Jokeropia]

Most people were disatisfied with their GCs and many sold them later, something that didn't happen with the Xbox).

BS. I'm almost shocked by how stupidly presumptuous this statement is.

You could almost say Wii is more like the DC where Nintendo fans have been burned by two generations of ho-hum console support just like Sega fans had been burned by Saturn and SegaCD/32x.

More BS.

Comparing the N64 and the GC with the Sega CD and 32x is so ridiculous that I almost don't know what to say. Please tell me you actually realize this so I won't have to beat you over the head with it.

 

[jett]

SNES/Genesis race would be more akin to something like the MS/Sony race where they were close in worldwide popularity last gen, so it wouldn't be to surprising if MS takes #1 this time around (I think that's fairly likely)

Whoa there little buddy, the difference between the PS2 vs. GC and XBOX is about the same. Selling 4x+ what your competition did is not really fairly close to me, either.

 

[DCharlie]

Circumstancial evidence or not, the poor and little kids are looking to get the PS3 at launch.

i think you need to define "poor" here. Cirmcumstancial evidence or not , people who aren't kids that i know , who are avid gamers/gamers writters/coders/journalists are not making the $600/$800 investment (in Japan)

The myth of six figured gentlemen like doctors and lawyers only getting the PS3 is just that... a myth. When shopping stores, I often see kids drag their mother to the PSP area and beg for a game. Children are a huge part of the Playstation market.

PSP costs what? $199 and then $50 on top for a game?
PS3 is going to be $499 minimum + $60 game.

Children are a huge part of the PS market, but not at the initial prices of the PS3 they aren't - IMO of course.

 

[AniHawk]

Whoa there little buddy, the difference between the PS2 vs. GC and XBOX is about the same.

....except not?

Genesis hit what? 33m? SNES had 49m. PS2 is over 100m, the GC + Xbox = 45m at best.

 

[Striek]

I was waiting for this monthly brief. I am disappointed there were no forecasts

I am not surprised by their cautious approach in regards to predicting an outright winner, very reminiscent of their early 2000-2001 reports.

 

[jett]

....except not?

Genesis hit what? 33m? SNES had 49m. PS2 is over 100m, the GC + Xbox = 45m at best.

I meant that the difference between the number of units sold when comparing PS2/GC and PS2/Xbox is about the same. I'm saying that the worldwide popularity of the PS2 and the Xbox is not fairly close at all.

 

[AniHawk]

I meant that the difference between the number of units sold between PS2/GC and PS2/Xbox is about the same.

Oh, I completely misread that. Carry on.

Bebpo, wtf man. Anticipation for Xenosaga III getting to you?

 

[Y2Kev]

I thought the SNES/Gen were neck and neck and then the SNES picked up after the Gen was kinda pushed aside.

 

[AniHawk]

I thought the SNES/Gen were neck and neck and then the SNES picked up after the Gen was kinda pushed aside.

In America (and maybe Euroland). In Japan, the SNES crushed it.

 

[cvxfreak]

In America (and maybe Euroland). In Japan, the SNES crushed it.

LIKE A BUG

 

[dirtmonkey37]

You guys all missed the most important quote


"Sony drastically underestimated the competition"


They never thought that Sakaguchi would be making 3 exclusive games (with the help of Uetmatsu and Toriyama for one of them; Uematsu may be doing all three) for the 360 or that SK is making an exclusive trilogy with the 360, that Gears of War would have as much hype as it does, that MS and Rare made a deal with 4Kids Entertainment to provide a unique, and extremely kid-friendly title called Viva Pinata exclusively to the 360 on the advent of a seemingly very appealing (to kids) animated show

They never expected namco, capcom, SE, even small dev studios like Q Entertainment (Mizaguchi) to actually be making good titles for the 360.

Trusty Bell. Check. (looks pretty cool though, admit it)
Dead Rising. Check.
Lumines Live. Check
N3. Check.
Exclusive Tri-Ace RPG. Check.
Project Syllph. Check.
Lost Planet. Check
RE5. Check
Cry-on. Check
Blue Dragon. Check
Lost Odyssey. Check
Senko No Ronde. Check
Treasure Shooter (another Ikaruga?). Check
Zegapain. Check
Exclusive Kojima Games. Check
Culdcept Saga. Check

Exclusive Naruto game by the people who made SC:CT at Ubi. Montreal. Check

That's just Japan. To tell you the truth you guys, I hated the original xbox in every single way possible. But the 360, with its online features is nothing short of heaven.

Just the number of high quality titles that will be available to 360 gamers is amazing. That's just the start. The 360 has been out for 7 months and we already have all these games announced.

 

[Y2Kev]

I can't wait till Sakaguchi's games come out and are just "okay." I've never seen so much worshipping for a guy who hasn't been directly involved in a Final Fantasy since FFV.

And now we're talking about Viva Pinata's Japanese appeal?

 

[Amir0x]

wow yeah they never thought SquareEnix would create largely throwaway projects made by their interns while they got Final Fantasy exclusivity, or that Sakaguchi would create Dragon Quest (Blue Dragon) and Final Fantasy (Lost Odyssey) filler titles processed off by Artoon :lol

your entire post can be picked apart, and Microsoft certainly has done better with 360, but yeah... you didn't make a good case there

 

[travisbickle]

She responded, "It is not for myself but for my nephew. He is begging for a PS3 and so our entire family is pooling money together so he can have one." This so stunned me that I didn't know what to say. I just took my DS Lite and left while thinking about this.

The kid's a brat, and the family shouldn't bow to his every whim.

 

[SolidSnakex]

They never expected namco, capcom, SE, even small dev studios like Q Entertainment (Mizaguchi) to actually be making good titles for the 360.

Exclusive Kojima Games. Check

 

[dirtmonkey37]

wow yeah they never thought SquareEnix would create largely throwaway projects made by their interns while they got Final Fantasy exclusivity, or that Sakaguchi would create Dragon Quest (Blue Dragon) and Final Fantasy (Lost Odyssey) filler titles processed off by Artoon :lol

your entire post can be picked apart, and Microsoft certainly has done better with 360, but yeah... you didn't make a good case there

Artoon is talented. Sure, Blinx wasn't good, but didn't they also do that recent mario/yoshi game on the DS?

Anyways, I think that with Toriyama's character designs (I really like that dudes style, if DBZ is any indication) and sakaguchi's direction, and nubuou's music will make a unique experience. I'm not saying it's going to get straight 9's, but MS knows where it invests its money. After reading about 50 pages of Takahashi's book, I'm convinced MS knows what they're doing. They've got a lot of people at MGS now that are well informed about the industry and the games each territory needs. Before, J Allard and some other guy didn't even know how to cater to Japan's tastes.

You don't need to be pessimistic. BD and LO look like really high profile games. Common, let's forget about everything else for a second and just think that this is the guy who saved SE with Final Fantasy.

I don't care about anything else; he has more experience than a lot of peole in the industry and seems like he knows what he's doing.

What kind of fool would even think about making 3 exclusive JRPG's for the Xbox 360? Answer that question, and you, hopefully like me, will find youself puzzled.






What's coming out for PS3? FFXIII? FFXIII Versus? KH3? DQ9? I'm not saying Blue Dragon is going to change RPG's, but it's a breath of fresh air. Finally, an JRPG with (seemingly) high production values that isn't KH or FF.

Also, despite the 2 million copies FFXII sold in Japan, a lot of people came away unsatisfied. Well, that's too strong a word. They came away very satisfied instead of having their jaw hit the floor and stay there from the impressions I've read from magazines of what Japanese gamers are saying about the game.

 

[Buffy4ever]

Right...

I think that shows brand loyalty (or is it disloyalty) to the extreme and how important it is in the Japanese game market.

Even if X360 was $50, launched with Final Fantasy, DQ, etc..., had the best marketing possible, the system would have done terrible in Japan as it has.

And the SNES/Genesis were fairly close in terms of popularity so it's not that big of surprise that the N64 lost. SNES/Genesis race would be more akin to something like the MS/Sony race where they were close in worldwide popularity last gen, so it wouldn't be to surprising if MS takes #1 this time around (I think that's fairly likely). But the difference between GC and PS2 was huge (were talking about popularity, not units sold. Most people were disatisfied with their GCs and many sold them later, something that didn't happen with the Xbox). You could almost say Wii is more like the DC where Nintendo fans have been burned by two generations of ho-hum console support just like Sega fans had been burned by Saturn and SegaCD/32x.

Well. the PS3 could lose to Nintendo Wii. I mean who whould have thought that Sony and Sega would have beat the Nintendo's N64, when the 32 bit gen first started. As for MS. the reason they have lost in Japan, x-box 360 is an American system. The Japanese have a loyality to Japanese Products. It takes an American company to re think how to sell an item in Japan. Like Barbie, Mattel had to make almost a completely different doll. So MS was doomed before they even started, when it comes to Japan.
Sony is not gaurented a #1 spot, especially if the Nintendo Wii git that spot with Japanese consumers.

 

[Y2Kev]

Artoon is talented. Sure, Blinx wasn't good, but didn't they also do that recent mario/yoshi game on the DS?

Anyways, I think that with Toriyama's character designs (I really like that dudes style, if DBZ is any indication) and sakaguchi's direction, and nubuou's music will make a unique experience. I'm not saying it's going to get straight 9's, but MS knows where it invests its money. After reading about 50 pages of Takahashi's book, I'm convinced MS knows what they're doing. They've got a lot of people at MGS now that are well informed about the industry and the games each territory needs. Before, J Allard and some other guy didn't even know how to cater to Japan's tastes.

You don't need to be pessimistic. BD and LO look like really high profile games. Common, let's forget about everything else for a second and just think that this is the guy who saved SE with Final Fantasy.

I don't care about anything else; he has more experience than a lot of peole in the industry and seems like he knows what he's doing.

What kind of fool would even think about making 3 exclusive JRPG's for the Xbox 360? Answer that question, and you, hopefully like me, will find youself puzzled.






What's coming out for PS3? FFXIII? FFXIII Versus? KH3? DQ9? Also, despite the 2 copies FFXII sold in Japan, a lot of people came away unsatisfied. Well, that's too strong a word. They came away very satisfied instead of having their jaw hit the floor and stay there from the impressions I've read from magazines of what Japanese gamers are saying about the game.

:lol :lol

....

:lol :lol :lol

 

[KINGMOKU]

In short, we have seen absolutely nothing that would justify a $200 price difference.

Really?

$200 difference gives you...

Situation A (Core vs Core)

A 20 GB hard drive
Wireless Controller
Blu-Ray
Open Linux environment with royalty free game development.
Not to mention supposed superior hardware that won't show until later in both systems life if at all.

Situation B (Premium vs Premium)

40GB extra hard drive space
Wifi
Blu-Ray
Open Linux environment with royalty free game development.
Not to mention supposed superior hardware that won't show until later in both systems life if at all.

I'm not hot for the PS3 in the least, and will most likely get a Wii and that's it, but these so-called game journalists typically seem the most ignorant (or atleast play ignorant) out of anyone involved in video games. Right up there with the analysts.

I guess people just dont see the difference here.


Mommy walks into a store and sees THREE consoles, Wii, 360, PS3. Mommy sees a 200$, 3-400$, and a 5-600$ price tag. This isnt the 2-300$ pricetag difference of before. It's a massive difference.

The casula gamer, wich makes up a massive portion of the videogame buyers out there, dont care about WHY its 600$, just that it is.

Not everyone is a member of GAF, and knows the ins, and outs of the videogame universe. Ask someone in your family who knows jack about it, and just tell them the price difference. Thats the key. My sister, and her family (3kids) owned all three systems last gen, with the xbox bieng the most popular. They still havnt purchased a 360 becuase of the price-point. I asked them about the ps3(My sister said what? I had to tell her it was the playstation 3) the price and they laughed. They are the typical consumer. This is what I feel Sony has overlooked while pricing the PS3. The people buying the systems(Parents) will NOT pay 600$ for a percieved game console. They will buy the one thats at least within reason.

 

[dirtmonkey37]

:lol :lol

....

:lol :lol :lol

I'm fine with people laughing. I'm bored today, so if you'd like, we can argue.



Ready? I'm serious. I'm not trying to be a dick. I think I'm going to join speech and debate sometime soon, so you and Amir feel free to argue with me so I can get some practice. Prove me wrong.

 

[soundwave05]

I think it's probably safe to say this ...

This time, Microsoft and Nintendo actually have a reasonable shot at gaining marketshare on Sony, because Sony is giving them many more openings this time to latch onto.

Last gen, no matter how you want to spin it, Sony was already at 20 million install base or thereabouts before either MS or Nintendo were at 5 million and the pricing of all three machines was relatively in the same $50-$100 range for the entire generation.

 

[Amir0x]

Artoon is talented. Sure, Blinx wasn't good, but didn't they also do that recent mario/yoshi game on the DS?

Anyways, I think that with Toriyama's character designs (I really like that dudes style, if DBZ is any indication) and sakaguchi's direction, and nubuou's music will make a unique experience. I'm not saying it's going to get straight 9's, but MS knows where it invests its money. After reading about 50 pages of Takahashi's book, I'm convinced MS knows what they're doing. They've got a lot of people at MGS now that are well informed about the industry and the games each territory needs. Before, J Allard and some other guy didn't even know how to cater to Japan's tastes.

You don't need to be pessimistic. BD and LO look like really high profile games. Common, let's forget about everything else for a second and just think that this is the guy who saved SE with Final Fantasy.

I don't care about anything else; he has more experience than a lot of peole in the industry and seems like he knows what he's doing.

Artoon made a few games, all of them have currently sucked. I don't think Blue Dragon will suck, I'm just being facetious... but the truth is that these aren't things Sony needs to be worried about. Sony should be much, MUCH more worried about what Wii is doing.

What kind of fool would even think about making 3 exclusive JRPG's for the Xbox 360? Answer that question, and you, hopefully like me, will find youself puzzled.

A fool who gets paid in baths filled with money.

What's coming out for PS3? FFXIII? FFXIII Versus? KH3? DQ9? Also, despite the 2 copies FFXII sold in Japan, a lot of people came away unsatisfied. Well, that's too strong a word. They came away very satisfied instead of having their jaw hit the floor and stay there from the impressions I've read from magazines of what Japanese gamers are saying about the game.

Yeah after FFXII, the franchise is totally dead. I mean even though it sold over 2 million copies in Japan alone, now Japan is unsatisified and gives up on it. I mean I think FFXII is the greatest Final Fantasy ever made, but even if they don't... FFXIII is nothing like FFXII from the way it's going.

In any event, I think you're being a tad disingeuous - obviously the games SquareEnix are making for PS3 are a MUCH bigger deal than anything they're providing on 360 or Wii atm... so I don't think Sony is "surprised" at all. So far, they've got the golden end of the stick on that deal. The rest of your post has varying levels of 'importance', but it's clear that a lot of it is filler - what is Zegapain gonna do, sell 3 copies? :lol

 

[Y2Kev]

I'm fine with people laughing. I'm bored today, so if you'd like, we can argue.



Ready? I'm serious. I'm not trying to be a dick. I think I'm going to join speech and debate sometime soon, so you and Amir feel free to argue with me so I can get some practice. Prove me wrong.

You can believe what you like regarding "Blinx developer"'s talent, and I won't challenge you but this:

FFXIII? FFXIII Versus? KH3? DQ9?

Yeah, that's like two million+ sales EACH.

Senko No Ronde

Rofl.

 

[dirtmonkey37]

It was mentioned in an interview with Kojima that he would like to bring some of his new IP's to the 360. I'm sure that's what many people think, KP laughing their asses off, but we'll see who's laughing when the PS3 doesn't sell 6 million in less than 4 months.




I mean, really, what have video games become? I have to pay 710 bucks (tax and game is already included in my estimated price) to play some video games? Even if I get the core pack, it'll be about 600.


I'll admit, even the 360 was expensive. I'm glad that 70% of famitsu readers are cheering on Nintendo with their Wii. Bringing back that feeling everyone talks about having "when they were a child" when they played video games.

 

[Oblivion]

Yeah, that's like two million+ sales EACH.

Wouldn't put FFXIII VS. in the 2 million + club, really.

 

[Y2Kev]

Wouldn't put FFXIII VS. in the 2 million + club, really.

Maybe. If we're talking about worldwide, DEFINITELY. It's by the KH team. It's gonna be quality.

 

[piccolosan]

I can see the price of the system hurting game developers since people are gonna be pickier when buying their games since they will most likely want an HDTV to go with their $600 PS3. Given Sony's track record, I hope the PS3 doesn't have as many technical problems as the original Playstation and PS2. I advise everyone that gets a PS3 to actually get a replacement plan of some sort on that sucker.

 

[AniHawk]

Maybe. If we're talking about worldwide, DEFINITELY. It's by the KH team. It's gonna be quality.

SHITTY QUALITY

 

[Y2Kev]

SHITTY QUALITY

HATER. So you hate PRIME and KH. MAY GOD STRIKE YOU DOWN.

 

[Oblivion]

Maybe. If we're talking about worldwide, DEFINITELY. It's by the KH team. It's gonna be quality.

You think so? I mean, even worldwide, it might be a stretch. Didn't DoC sell like less than 400k? I mean, it could be possible I suppose...

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I'm late to the party in this thread.... but I can't believe it has come to this point that people are entertaining the idea of Sony losing its market leader status.

strange even for an nbot like me.

oh and I only like nintendo as the underdog
that's why DS vs PSP was so sweet everyone counted DS out pre-PSP launch.

I still see Wii as the underdog
but once great games starts to hit PS3 I really doubt Sony will lose

 

[Y2Kev]

You think so? I mean, even worldwide, it might be a stretch. Didn't DoC sell like less than 400k? I mean, it could be possible I suppose...

In Japan alone...isn't that pretty good for a terrible game that's a shooter?

Pretty sure it's 500k or more...

 

[Amir0x]

Well if they make FFXIII vs. a more relevant sequel ala FFX-2, then it will of course sell 2,000,000+ worldwide. And since it will be coming out in a timely fashion, I think it's safe to assume it'll do much better than Dirge anyway.

 

[Oblivion]

In Japan alone...isn't that pretty good for a terrible game that's a shooter?

Pretty sure it's 500k or more...

Right, it's Japan, but I'm talking about the 2 million WW number.