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[Shahed]

I'm trying to remember the last time I played an EA game on Nintendo hardware. This is nothing new.

On second thought I might have never played an EA game on Nintendo platforms. What exclusives/multiplat games did EA do on the GameCube

I agree. Though if EA thinks it's a good idea to fuck with Nintendo, Nintendo should fuck with them when they are back in a position to do that - just like they did with others in the good old Yamauchi times. 3rd parties finally need to learn their lesson. Some of them would be in serious trouble w/o the money they earn from their low budget 3DS games.

Yeah that'll show them!

Are you for real?

 

[Cronq]

If the ps4 is 399, then 299 for WiiU will just seem like a bad deal. That thing better be 199 by then.

How about when PS4 is $499 and Wii U is $299 with a nice bundle?

Nintendo should release a WiiU / 3DS XL bundle at the same price as the PS4 this holiday. They could do it, and it would wreck the PS4 holiday sales.

 

[wsippel]

wow is this true?

It's obviously a complete fabrication.

 

[jmdajr]

How about when PS4 is $499 and Wii U is $299 with a nice bundle?

Well, gotta put something under the Christmas tree.

 

[DragonSworne]

I think Nintendo should seriously try to compete against EA sports titles.

Get those licenses and bring fresh air to the realistic sports genre.

EA sports is getting stale.

 

[pants]

So basically jmdajr'd:

 

[jmdajr]

I think Nintendo should seriously try to compete against EA sports titles.

Get those licenses and bring fresh air to the realistic sports genre.

EA sports is getting stale.

Well they have a Mario sports for just about everything, but they used to be "realistic" back in the Nintendo era.

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(I love how this is sports series)

 

[Shahed]

How about when PS4 is $499 and Wii U is $299 with a nice bundle?

With the £199 Premium bundle in the UK, it's already effectively cheaper than $299. Probably $250 even. Sales haven't improved a great deal, but the games aren't there yet. Besides we're getting ahead of ourselves. We know neither the game library or price structure of any of the 3 consoles for the holiday season. No point jumping to conclusions yet. For anyone

I think Nintendo should seriously try to compete against EA sports titles.

Get those licenses and bring fresh air to the realistic sports genre.

EA sports is getting stale.

While not impossible, it's really difficult to build a completely new iteration from scratch. You'd need a lot of people with experience in the field, and it takes a lot of timeto get all the little things right. Pro Evo should at least be on the Wii U though right?

 

[GetemMa]

Well they have a Mario sports for just about everything, but they used to be "realistic" back in the Nintendo era.

Soccer with hats?

 

[v1oz]

have you seen the japanese sales for Wiiu? Sales will catch up once a new mario game is released but the WiiU is not getting very good Japanese third party support.

If you look at the sales after January. It had over 3 million units sold. The Wii U had outsold both the 360 and PS3 - at the same stage of their life times. There is a current decline in Wii U sales momentum, but this mostly due to a lack of big "heavy hitter" games. Sales will pick up once the big Nintendo franchises start rolling come out. And they sort out their OS and on-line system.


If you remember the PS3 sold poorly at the beginning of its life. But sales picked up once the big Sony exclusives starting hitting and the price went down. So low sales at the very beginning of a console's life does not guarantee market failure. As PS3 sales picked up considerably after the first two years on market. The Wii U will sell several million units - absolutely guaranteed.

 

[KingSnake]

I think Nintendo should seriously try to compete against EA sports titles.

Get those licenses and bring fresh air to the realistic sports genre.

EA sports is getting stale.

Yeap, I also wish for that.

It would quite nice to get even a Mario & Sonic series to cover the sports part. Sega & Nintendo vs. EA would be really something.

I also hope that 2k Sports will continue to support the Wii U.

 

[pieatorium]

Soccer with hats?

I'm going to assume it was a top down game so the only way to tell the teams apart was with different coloured heads

 

[AOC83]

How about when PS4 is $499 and Wii U is $299 with a nice bundle?

Then the WiiU will still be crushed by 250$ PS3/360.

 

[metalslimer]

If you look at the sales after January. It had over 3 million units sold. The Wii U had outsold both the 360 and PS3 - at the same stage of their life times. There is a current decline in Wii U sales momentum, but this mostly due to a lack of big "heavy hitter" games. Sales will pick up once the big Nintendo franchises start rolling come out. And they sort out their OS and on-line system.


If you remember the PS3 sold poorly at the beginning of its life. But sales picked up once the big Sony exclusives starting hitting and the price went down. So low sales at the very beginning of a console's life does not guarantee market failure. As PS3 sales picked up considerably after the first two years on market. The Wii U will sell several million units - absolutely guaranteed.

The Wiiu has not sold 3 million. It shipped that much and consoles are still on the shelves. And you know what was the primary catalyst behind the ps3 revival? 3rd party games. And the PS3 as bad off as it was never sunk to the shit levels Wiiu is at

 

[Schnozberry]

Then the WiiU will still be crushed by 250$ PS3/360.

So will the PS4/Durango then, right? I mean, you can't have your cake and eat it too, unless you plan on eating yourself, which will be a serious problem in getting these new platforms off the ground.

 

[v1oz]

What is WiiU offering new that's not a gimmick? I wouldn't even be making that argument.

Exact same was said about the Wii. But that machine was just voted best console ever by consumers.

 

[Shahed]

Then the WiiU will still be crushed by 250$ PS3/360.

Surely they'd have to be $200 or under by then?

So will the PS4/Durango then, right? I mean, you can't have your cake and eat it too, unless you plan on eating yourself, which will be a serious problem in getting these new platforms off the ground.

Not that I necessarily agree, but I gather from the comment that the user expects the so called hardcore to go for the high end systems in the PS4/Nextbox. Those wanting the budget would go for the cheaper PS3/360 option. Wii U as it currently stands does neither as it lies in between

 

[jmdajr]

Exact same was said about the Wii. But that machine was just voted best console ever by consumers.

No it wasn't. Perhaps I should have chosen my words slightly more careful (although I did clarify), but while Wii was a gimmick, it was a gimmick new to everyone, and intrigued casual fans.

The gimmicks on the WiiU are not new in any way, except for perhaps playing games on the pad which I don't think people are wowed by in the least.

 

[pieatorium]

If you look at the sales after January. It had over 3 million units sold. The Wii U had outsold both the 360 and PS3 - at the same stage of their life times. There is a current decline in Wii U sales momentum, but this mostly due to a lack of big "heavy hitter" games. Sales will pick up once the big Nintendo franchises start rolling come out. And they sort out their OS and on-line system.


If you remember the PS3 sold poorly at the beginning of its life. But sales picked up once the big Sony exclusives starting hitting and the price went down. So low sales at the very beginning of a console's life does not guarantee market failure. As PS3 sales picked up considerably after the first two years on market. The Wii U will sell several million units - absolutely guaranteed.

Actually no, it didn't have close to 3 million sold at the end of January. It was 3 million shipped and 2.04 million sold at the end of december and has likely sold less than 500k worldwide since then. It has fallen behind PS3 in the US and was never even close to being even in Europe launch alined. It's marginally ahead of the PS3 in Japan. Another thing to consider is that it's current weekly sales are well behind what the PS3 was doing at this same point in it's life and it's last 2 npd results were worse than the PS3's ever got to.

 

[EDarkness]

The Wiiu has not sold 3 million. It shipped that much and consoles are still on the shelves. And you know what was the primary catalyst behind the ps3 revival? 3rd party games. And the PS3 as bad off as it was never sunk to the shit levels Wiiu is at

There was always the promise of better support coming...much like the Vita. 3rd parties are working hard to keep that system afloat and ultimately I think it'll play out pretty well for it in the long run. Same with the PS3 and really the PS4. Nintendo just can't that level of support in any territory. At least those who buy a PS4 know they'll be able to get games most games...eventually. Can't really say the same thing about the Wii U.

 

[pants]

I'm going to assume it was a top down game so the only way to tell the teams apart was with different coloured heads

nah, side on and it was quite fun and janky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_SMBF_fV4Y

Of course nothing touches nekketsu football league
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOi5uet1QMs

 

[nopenopenope]

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[v1oz]

The Wiiu has not sold 3 million. It shipped that much and consoles are still on the shelves. And you know what was the primary catalyst behind the ps3 revival? 3rd party games. And the PS3 as bad off as it was never sunk to the shit levels Wiiu is at

It's the price drops and 1st party titles that were the catalyst on the PS3. There was no reason to pick up a PS3 for third party games. Up until that point most people preferred to play 3rd party games on the 360 which was cheaper. This was reflected in the sales figures of multi platform games. And also that generally multi-platform games performed better technically on the 360. Something that most well-informed gamers were fully aware off.

 

[Lambda Pie]

if EA skips FIFA, this thing is dead in Europe.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

So will the PS4/Durango then, right? I mean, you can't have your cake and eat it too, unless you plan on eating yourself, which will be a serious problem in getting these new platforms off the ground.

I think a lot of people might be surprised how the PS4/Durango fare against the old HD twins. I mean, look at how many people are more than happy playing CoD with horrific IQ. Are new graphics really going to convince them to upgrade?

 

[pieatorium]

nah, side on and it was quite fun and janky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_SMBF_fV4Y

Well damn, i have to agree with the other guy then, why hats?

 

[radioheadrule83]

On second thought I might have never played an EA game on Nintendo platforms. What exclusives/multiplat games did EA do on the GameCube

For comparisons sake:

Wii:
Rock Band
Boogie
Boom Blox
Dead Space Extraction (timed exclusive)
EA Sports Active
FIFA
The Godfather: Black Hand edition
Harry Potter Games (last few games have been Warner Bros)
Grand Slam Tennis (motion+)
Madden
Medal of Honor: Heroes 2 & Vanguard
NBA
MySims and other Sims games
NFS games
Skate It
SSX Blur
Skate or Die

Gamecube:
5 James Bond games (Bond now with Activision)
FIFA and FIFA Street
Batman and Catwoman games (Batman now with Warner Bros)
Def Jam games
Harry Potter games
LOTR games (last few games have been with Warner Bros)
NBA games
3 Medal of Honor games
Sims games
SSX games
Tiger Woods games
NFS games
Timesplitters: Future Perfect


I didn't realise that Warner Bros had taken so much valuable property back in the form of their own publishing.

 

[Shahed]

For comparisons sake:

Wii:
Rock Band
Boogie
Boom Blox
Dead Space Extraction (timed exclusive)
EA Sports Active
FIFA
The Godfather: Black Hand edition
Harry Potter Games
Grand Slam Tennis (motion+)
Madden
Medal of Honor: Heroes 2 & Vanguard
NBA
MySims and other Sims games
NFS games
Skate It
SSX Blur
Skate or Die

Gamecube:
5 James Bond games (Bond now with Activision)
FIFA and FIFA Street
Batman and Catwoman games (Batman now with Warner Bros)
Def Jam games
Harry Potter games
LOTR games (last few games have been with Warner Bros)
NBA games
3 Medal of Honor games
Sims games
SSX games
Tiger Woods games
NFS games
Timesplitters: Future Perfect

Thanks!

Now that I think about it, I honestly believe NFS: Underground, and 007: Nightfire are the only EA games I've ever bought on Nintendo hardware. And only Gamecube at that. In fact I struggle to think of anything else from a Western 3rd party apart from Red Steel and Chinatown Wars off the top of my head. Pretty much been all from Japan

 

[jmdajr]

Really all this snubbing by either the 3rd party developers, or just the general consumer shouldn't bother any Nintendo Fan if they had reasonable expectations. If you bought the thing for more than 1st party Nintendo titles, I don't know what to say really.

 

[pieatorium]

I think a lot of people might be surprised how the PS4/Durango fare against the old HD twins. I mean, look at how many people are more than happy playing CoD with horrific IQ. Are new graphics really going to convince them to upgrade?

The people who bought PS360's in the second half of their lives aren't the market that are going to buy the ps4/durango in the first couple of years of theirs

 

[jmdajr]

For comparisons sake:

Wii:
Rock Band
Boogie
Boom Blox
Dead Space Extraction (timed exclusive)
EA Sports Active
FIFA
The Godfather: Black Hand edition
Harry Potter Games
Grand Slam Tennis (motion+)
Madden
Medal of Honor: Heroes 2 & Vanguard
NBA
MySims and other Sims games
NFS games
Skate It
SSX Blur
Skate or Die

Gamecube:
5 James Bond games (Bond now with Activision)
FIFA and FIFA Street
Batman and Catwoman games (Batman now with Warner Bros)
Def Jam games
Harry Potter games
LOTR games (last few games have been with Warner Bros)
NBA games
3 Medal of Honor games
Sims games
SSX games
Tiger Woods games
NFS games
Timesplitters: Future Perfect

So why is everyone up in arms again. I tell you it's just the principle of the matter, and perhaps the influence to other developers.
(I don't own any of that except for Rock band and Boom Blox.)

 

[ViewtifulJC]

EA didn't screw Nintendo

Nintendo screwed Nintendo

 

[Takao]

It's the price drops and 1st party titles that were the catalyst on the PS3. There was no reason to pick up a PS3 for third party games. Up until that point most people preferred to play 3rd party games on the 360 which was cheaper. This was reflected in the sales figures of multi platform games. And also that generally multi-platform games performed better technically on the 360. Something that most well-informed gamers were fully aware off.

PS3 at launch: $499/$599
Wii U at launch: $299/$349

Wii U is doing worse than PS3 despite being nearly half the price. Price was the PS3's barrier, and when that went down people came aboard due to an attractive software library of pretty much every notable third party release. Wii U's price isn't nearly as big a barrier as the PS3's was, and it won't be getting the third party games that define next generation. If Sony's first party was as powerful as you say they are Gran Turismo 5 wouldn't be their best seller at 10 million units.

 

[jmdajr]

So basically jmdajr'd:

Fuck man, is that match on DVD? I have to make a new one with better quality.

 

[nopenopenope]

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[v1oz]

No it wasn't. Perhaps I should have chosen my words slightly more careful (although I did clarify), but while Wii was a gimmick, it was a gimmick new to everyone, and intrigued casual fans.

The gimmicks on the WiiU are not new in any way, except for perhaps playing games on the pad which I don't think people are wowed by in the least.

Actually it was... But regardless you are quite misinformed, the Wii U is more akin to a DS and less like playing games on a Pad(tablet). Hopefully you are aware that the DS pre-dates the popularity of tablets and touch screen smart phones. The whole experience while not new to hand held devices, certainly is something that has not been done on consoles before. It is the first show of clear intent from Nintendo towards the convergence of their handhelds and their home consoles. For many people the ability to play full scale online console games, in your own home, without cannibalizing the TV set is more than intriguing enough. While still having the benefits of all the hardware peripheral investments you made on the Wii.

Besides that was not the issue. The issue here was whether PS4 offers anything new to console gaming?

 

[jmdajr]

...do you remember the PS3 launch? Not every game made it to the console and it was beset by poor ports, for the longest time the 360 had definitive versions.

Gears of war sure looked better than Resistance I'll tell you that much.

 

[pieatorium]

...do you remember the PS3 launch? Not every game made it to the console and it was beset by poor ports, for the longest time the 360 had definitive versions.

Thats probably why his post was about the pricedrop and afterwards and not the launch?

 

[Can Crusher]

EA trying to dreamcast the Wii U?

 

[AzaK]

From a 3rd party point of view. The WiiU controller is continuing to be a thorn in Nintendo's side. Right now, I'm starting to wish that Nintendo had gone with a more standard controller.

I understand what you're saying, but really it's moronic publishers being the problem in this case. I know they need to make business decisions but to ignore a new platform, especially when it will have a larger install base later on is stupid.

I'm >< close to boycotting EA.

You mean the CoD that sold so poorly on Wii U that is has Activision questioning if they should support the console in the future?

That was FUD.

 

[jmdajr]

Actually it was... But regardless you are quite misinformed, the Wii U is more akin to a DS and less like playing games on a Pad(tablet). Hopefully you are aware that the DS pre-dates the popularity of tablets and touch screen smart phones. The whole experience while not new to hand held devices, certainly is something that has not been done on consoles before. It is the first show of clear intent from Nintendo towards the convergence of their handhelds and their home consoles. For many people the ability to play full scale online console games, in your own home, without cannibalizing the TV set is more than intriguing enough.

Besides that was not the issue. The issue here was whether PS4 offers anything new to console gaming?

I thought the issue was why is EA abandoning the WiiU. Maybe I'm in the wrong thread.

Oh yeah, I bought this day 1.

If you think the WiiU is revolutionary compared to Nintendo's past offerings, then that's what you believe.

 

[AOC83]

The issue here was whether PS4 offers anything new to console gaming?

Games from most of the best studios in the world.

 

[jmdajr]

I'm >< close to boycotting EA.

I remember when I wanted to boycott EA in the past, then I realized I didn't own any of their games.

 

[SmokedMeat]

If you remember the PS3 sold poorly at the beginning of its life. But sales picked up once the big Sony exclusives starting hitting and the price went down. So low sales at the very beginning of a console's life does not guarantee market failure. As PS3 sales picked up considerably after the first two years on market. The Wii U will sell several million units - absolutely guaranteed.

Wii U is not the PS3. PS3 was a $600 next generation console with strong support from third party publishers. It was receiving next generation editions of popular franchises as well as hit new ips from big name developers.

Wii U is an overpriced current gen console with little to no support, a dim future.

So what if the price comes down? The 360/PS3 will always be selling for less, and with far larger libraries. Ninendo may have made a mint with the Wii, but it's dead and gone. Now they're stuck between a rock and a hard place, while Microsoft and Sony are sitting pretty with new consoles for customers who want a premium next gen system, and cheaper current gen consoles for those who want a value.

The U's only appeal is Nintendo games, which they release about one every 4-6 months?

 

[BlackJace]

Wii U is not the PS3. PS3 was a $600 next generation console with strong support from third party publishers. It was receiving next generation editions of popular franchises as well as hit new ips from big name developers.

Wii U is an overpriced current gen console with little to no support, a dim future.

So what if the price comes down? The 360/PS3 will always be selling for less, and with far larger libraries. Ninendo may have made a mint with the Wii, but it's dead and gone. Now they're stuck between a rock and a hard place, while Microsoft and Sony are sitting pretty with more newer consoles for customers who want a premium next gen system, and cheaper current gen consoles for those who want a value.

The U's only appeal is Nintendo games, which they release about one every 4-6 months?

The PS3 was also an overpriced machine that sold badly in the beginning as well.

 

[Tymerend]

Haha! The Wii U has such a wonderful personality and a very pretty face, it just wouldn't feel right dating her. Perhaps we could be friends sometime, though.

 

[pieatorium]

The PS3 was also an overpriced machine that sold badly in the beginning as well.

But better than the WiiU

 

[Shahed]

I remember when I wanted to boycott EA in the past, then I realized I didn't own any of their games.

That's one thing I find quite ironic. I don't see the point of boycotting companies if they have a game I want to play. But when I considered companies I might have decided to boycott for whatever reason (EA, Activision, Capcom as an example), they release little to nothing I really want to play, so boycotting them would make no difference lol

 

[BlackJace]

But better than the WiiU

Not worldwide. Anyways, Sony did a decent job of recovering after the slow start that the system had. No reason why Nintendo can't do the same.

 

[USC-fan]

As I have stated many times before. When game company start moving to next Gen engines the wiiu hardware just cannot keep up.