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Did I just get cheated in a job/interview?

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A) Get called for a job which would pay higher then my current one.

B) Got there several minutes early.

C) Manager interviews some guy and offers him $9.25 while I'm sitting in ear range.

D) Manager takes forever to come talk to me even though the other guy cut into my interview time.

E) Manager offers me $9...to do a harder job.

F) Profit????


There's this place that I applied to that would pay much better than my current job. Everything went great(Application, callback, etc) and I was told to come in for an interview a couple days back.

I got there about 15 minutes early and waited before going up to declare my arrival for the interview. It was basically a guaranteed job for me anyway since my resume was a perfect fit for the position. Anyway, while I'm waiting another guy comes in horribly late for his interview I presume(because mine was at 2 and it was already 1:50). He asks for the person in charge on shift and she comes out to interview him. She didn't know I was there for an interview as well though and I was kind of ticked off at the other guy because I usually go to work and important things several minutes early in order to make a good impression.

So she interviews the guy and he talks about his previous work and how it was kind of hard for him due to school etc. And then she told him the benefits of working at the establishment and all the regular jazz. And then tells him that he'll start at $9.25/hr and that he can come on Wednesday for orientation.

I was happy since that's about what I expected and was a good amount for the job asked of me. He gets up and leaves and I go and up and present myself for the interview. She immediately calls me out by name and remarks about my timely arrival. She says she'll be right back and I go sit back down. About 20 minutes later she comes back and interviews me. Everything goes great and she says that with my work experience the job would be great for me. She then asks me if I preferred working in the front with customers or in the back(Presumably cooking and such). I say either is fine buy I'd prefer the kitchen.

And then she says "So we start at $9/hr..." with an absolute flat face. I didn't interrupt her anyway and listened to what else she had to say. She finishes and I tell her that I have some other applications out as well and if she could give me till the end of the week to see if i get any response from those. She said that'd be fine and that I could call anytime and they'd start me up right away. Wednesday rolls around and I receive no further offers. So I call and the person I speaks to says that no managers were in at the moment but that she'd let them know I called. 2 days go by with no answer, I finally received a call back though today and the manager I speaks to says that "We hired some more people over the weekend and we're out of room" And I said a loud WTF in my head.

She then asked me if I would mind transferring to some other locations(Way out of my living area) to work. I mumbled a "okay" and she said she'd pass on the info. I was kind of in disbelief and pissed that I'd lost a potentially good job with nice benefits. But I got a call later today from another company asking me if I was interested in working for them @ $10/hr.

so it all worked out. But I feel that I go cheated big time(And conspiracy theory screams race). I was well qualified for the job and everything. So why was I given a lesser offer? Especially when working in the kitchen would have been the more important and therefore higher payed position?

I don't like playing the race card, but it's all I can think of. And I'm not saying that's the reason...just the only one that makes sense to me. @_@
 
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Finn said:
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Yeah, yeah. I know. And it's not something I'm comfortable with or even thinking it's the only possibility, maybe he was better qualified for that other position or they needed more people so they offered him more to stay etc.

Still bullshit to offer me a lower amount for a harder job and then cop out of hiring me.
 
Adamrogo said:
What was the job?
I didn't even get to know since I was never hired. I got the call today, but it was either cooking or arranging.

mAcOdIn said:
What'd you put on your initial expected wage on your application?
There wasn't one. *Shrug* But it went from I think $7.95 to $8.25 as the minimum wage in our province(Saskatchewan people correct me if I'm wrong! :P). And I based my living expenses off the $8.25.
 
It could be argued that digging ditches is harder work than say, running Wal-Mart. But I bet you know which one pays more.
 
bjork said:
It could be argued that digging ditches is harder work than say, running Wal-Mart. But I bet you know which one pays more.
My jobs' pay has never been correlated with how hard it is but more so how comfortable the chair (or lack of) that I sat in was.
 
ung

-The fact that you got there early and the manager finished her previous interview late, while annoying, is completely irrelevant, especially since it wasn't even her fault.

-Pay scales are always completely different for different positions and always based on prior experience that applies to the job at hand. For all you know the next guy got offered 8.75/hr.

-'Cheated' is definitely the wrong word. Lowballed, maybe, but even that is a stretch.

-You didn't even TRY to negotiate for the .25/hr that ticked you off so much.

-You lost the job because you didn't jump on it and you made an ass of yourself by freely admitting that you are going to look elsewhere before taking the job. If you want to do that, you take the job but say you can't start for a week, and take that time to think about it and shop around. It's certainly not the manager's fault for not holding the job for you, that's ridiculous.

-Saying there's a racial issue is even worse, I couldn't even tell who is the minority in this story, you or the other guy. I mean I didn't read every word but I don't think it was in there. Are you saying he got paid more because he's a minority or you got paid less because you are? Either way, stupid.

-You ended up with a higher paying job so why do you care?
 
RevenantKioku said:
My jobs' pay has never been correlated with how hard it is but more so how comfortable the chair (or lack of) that I sat in was.

I had to buy my own chair... and I don't even get a chair, I got a stool. A Guns N Roses stool, sure, but what lacking back support!
 
bjork said:
I had to buy my own chair... and I don't even get a chair, I got a stool. A Guns N Roses stool, sure, but what lacking back support!

My chair is pretty nice, it's a basic office chair. Quite comfy, but the seat is bent forwards for some reason, I think it's gonna fall apart any minute now!

Also, echoshifting is right. It's not the manager's fault for letting you look for other jobs while she has a lot of other applicants wanting to start right away.
 
echoshifting said:
ung

-The fact that you got there early and the manager finished her previous interview late, while annoying, is completely irrelevant, especially since it wasn't even her fault.

-Pay scales are always completely different for different positions and always based on prior experience that applies to the job at hand. For all you know the next guy got offered 8.75/hr.

-'Cheated' is definitely the wrong word. Lowballed, maybe, but even that is a stretch.

-You didn't even TRY to negotiate for the .25/hr that ticked you off so much.

-You lost the job because you didn't jump on it and you made an ass of yourself by freely admitting that you are going to look elsewhere before taking the job. If you want to do that, you take the job but say you can't start for a week, and take that time to think about it and shop around. It's certainly not the manager's fault for not holding the job for you, that's ridiculous.

-Saying there's a racial issue is even worse, I couldn't even tell who is the minority in this story, you or the other guy. I mean I didn't read every word but I don't think it was in there. Are you saying he got paid more because he's a minority or you got paid less because you are? Either way, stupid.

-You ended up with a higher paying job so why do you care?

Pretty much.
 
Well, it doesn't seem clear to me that the other guy was interviewing for the same position. But if he was, then, yeah, I think it's entirely possible race was a factor. I know it would have been with my old supervisor, who was in a much more important position than fast food manager.
 
CrushDance said:
Yeah, yeah. I know. And it's not something I'm comfortable with or even thinking it's the only possibility, maybe he was better qualified for that other position or they needed more people so they offered him more to stay etc.

Still bullshit to offer me a lower amount for a harder job and then cop out of hiring me.

Maybe his resume was better making him worth more in the job field? Hard to say. I know I'm getting paid a good bit less than the average person does in my position mainly due to the fact I had no experience in this field before I started here.
 
echoshifting said:
ung

-The fact that you got there early and the manager finished her previous interview late, while annoying, is completely irrelevant, especially since it wasn't even her fault.

-Pay scales are always completely different for different positions and always based on prior experience that applies to the job at hand. For all you know the next guy got offered 8.75/hr.

-'Cheated' is definitely the wrong word. Lowballed, maybe, but even that is a stretch.

-You didn't even TRY to negotiate for the .25/hr that ticked you off so much.

-You lost the job because you didn't jump on it and you made an ass of yourself by freely admitting that you are going to look elsewhere before taking the job. If you want to do that, you take the job but say you can't start for a week, and take that time to think about it and shop around. It's certainly not the manager's fault for not holding the job for you, that's ridiculous.

-Saying there's a racial issue is even worse, I couldn't even tell who is the minority in this story, you or the other guy. I mean I didn't read every word but I don't think it was in there. Are you saying he got paid more because he's a minority or you got paid less because you are? Either way, stupid.

-You ended up with a higher paying job so why do you care?



Seriously.

I'm still in college, not in the workforce, but you handled that poorly.

You didn't negotiate your salary, AND you admitted that you were looking for other jobs at the same time.

While most employers know this, to downright admit it to them makes it seem like you don't care if you get the job there or not, because you have other placecs you can go. And they do NOT want to hold a job for you only to have you ditch it for another job a few days later. THAT'S why they filled the position.
 
echoshifting said:
ung

-The fact that you got there early and the manager finished her previous interview late, while annoying, is completely irrelevant, especially since it wasn't even her fault.

-Pay scales are always completely different for different positions and always based on prior experience that applies to the job at hand. For all you know the next guy got offered 8.75/hr.

-'Cheated' is definitely the wrong word. Lowballed, maybe, but even that is a stretch.

-You didn't even TRY to negotiate for the .25/hr that ticked you off so much.

-You lost the job because you didn't jump on it and you made an ass of yourself by freely admitting that you are going to look elsewhere before taking the job. If you want to do that, you take the job but say you can't start for a week, and take that time to think about it and shop around. It's certainly not the manager's fault for not holding the job for you, that's ridiculous.


-Saying there's a racial issue is even worse, I couldn't even tell who is the minority in this story, you or the other guy. I mean I didn't read every word but I don't think it was in there. Are you saying he got paid more because he's a minority or you got paid less because you are? Either way, stupid.

-You ended up with a higher paying job so why do you care?


As soon as I read that you told the manager you had other applications out and wanted to wait until the end of week to see if you get other offers, I knew you were done.

Not a good move.
 
bill0527 said:
As soon as I read that you told the manager you had other applications out and wanted to wait until the end of week to see if you get other offers, I knew you were done.

Not a good move.
It basically says that it's a privilege for them to have the chance to hire you, and that they should be willing to wait a week or so for that opportunity.

Now, while that may be true, you're not in a position to tell them how to adjust THEIR hiring schedule to fit YOUR needs, especially when there's no guarantee that you'll take the job if they hold it.

In the future, DO NOT ASK THEM TO WAIT FOR YOU TO FINISH LOOKING AT OTHER JOB OFFERS.
 
I like the responses in here talking about the race card when this was pretty clearly the OPs fault. Good times. Keep banging that drum, guys.
 
Wraith said:
I like the responses in here talking about the race card when this was pretty clearly the OPs fault. Good times. Keep banging that drum, guys.

Oh, I don't know, maybe because I've seen it happen in the post-interview conversation?
 
Captain Glanton said:
Oh, I don't know, maybe because I've seen it happen in the post-interview conversation?

I'm not saying it's impossible or that it never happens. I'm just saying that reading the OP's post, I don't think it was likely in this situation and that to immediately jump to that as the obvious issue here is a bit off.
 
bill0527 said:
As soon as I read that you told the manager you had other applications out and wanted to wait until the end of week to see if you get other offers, I knew you were done.

Not a good move.

Yep. That's pretty much it.
 
echoshifting said:
-You lost the job because you didn't jump on it and you made an ass of yourself by freely admitting that you are going to look elsewhere before taking the job. If you want to do that, you take the job but say you can't start for a week, and take that time to think about it and shop around. It's certainly not the manager's fault for not holding the job for you, that's ridiculous.
That is my take. When I interview people and I get a hint of someone weighing the job with something else, i don't take them seriously anymore.

Keep that stuff to yourself. If you get another job, take it. No need to tell the interviewer. It's not like I'm going to ever say... "oh, you're looking at other places? Fuck that, you're staying right here!"

Race? Maybe (it happens, yes it does, in real life), but you can't prove it, so just move on.
 
bill0527 said:
As soon as I read that you told the manager you had other applications out and wanted to wait until the end of week to see if you get other offers, I knew you were done.

Not a good move.
This about sums it all up.
 
I didn't know that. The reason I told her was because I felt like she wasn't giving me an equal advantage, and also because I didn't want to take the job and then leave if I got a better offer.

How should I handle such things differentially in the future? I guess I did sell out myself, but I tend not to be aggressive in such things because you never know when you could need a job.
 
lil smoke said:
That is my take. When I interview people and I get a hint of someone weighing the job with something else, i don't take them seriously anymore.

Keep that stuff to yourself. If you get another job, take it. No need to tell the interviewer. It's not like I'm going to ever say... "oh, you're looking at other places? Fuck that, you're staying right here!"

Race? Maybe (it happens, yes it does, in real life), but you can't prove it, so just move on.

To be fair, employers do the exact same thing to prospective employees. I don't need to know that your firm is interviewing dozens of other potential candidates; that information holds no relevance to me yet it's a typical line that I've heard several times before.

The whole system is a little backwards, IMO. The disparity between interview/acceptance can be absurdly long, depending on where you're interviewing. I've had people call me back with offers after several weeks have gone by. I don't know how they expected me to just hold off on working for 3 weeks but I would imagine that most people assume they were declined after one week with no contact. It should be mandatory to give people a yes or no within a certain time period, even if it's something as simple as a short email or voicemail.
 
WickedAngel said:
To be fair, employers do the exact same thing to prospective employees. I don't need to know that your firm is interviewing dozens of other potential candidates; that information holds no relevance to me yet it's a typical line that I've heard several times before.

It can go both ways. I'm visiting a school in another part of the country for a teaching position next week. They've told me both that they are interviewing other people and that they really hope that I will end up taking their job and that I should make my visit in a timely manner [this was while we were scheduling things] so that they wouldn't mislead the other candidates about whether the position was still available.

Wraith said:
I'm not saying it's impossible or that it never happens. I'm just saying that reading the OP's post, I don't think it was likely in this situation and that to immediately jump to that as the obvious issue here is a bit off.

I don't think that the OP handled the situation that well. But, I'm saying that my old supervisor [for example] would have judged a minor comment very harshly because of his race and used it as a reason not to hire him. It's all a matter of interpretation, and some will interpret according to race.
 
WickedAngel said:
To be fair, employers do the exact same thing to prospective employees. I don't need to know that your firm is interviewing dozens of other potential candidates; that information holds no relevance to me yet it's a typical line that I've heard several times before.

The whole system is a little backwards, IMO. The disparity between interview/acceptance can be absurdly long, depending on where you're interviewing. I've had people call me back with offers after several weeks have gone by. I don't know how they expected me to just hold off on working for 3 weeks but I would imagine that most people assume they were declined after one week with no contact. It should be mandatory to give people a yes or no within a certain time period, even if it's something as simple as a short email or voicemail.
Great point. We keep all resumes on file. I have a pile of resumes sitting on a shelf ready for use, as if these people have been waiting for me to call them for the past 3 years. It's pretty stupid, but it's not like resumes come in the daily mailbox.

The hiring process isn't easy either. Most people that apply don't have the skillset for the job they seek, many people can't speak clean english (in NYC), some people give bad vibes, others brag about the other 12 jobs they have lined up (gee, thanks for giving ME a chance to let YOU work here!) At the end of the process, most times you resort to seeking the best of the worst applicants. This is why we keep people hanging like that. After 25 horrible interviews, maybe DeShavaunte with the gold teeth and stinky armpits aint that bad, even though it was 3 weeks ago since we told him "we'll get back to you".

Some workplaces also have lots of disorganization and red tape, which slows the hiring process down. Perhaps a division is doing it's own hiring, but the HR department isn't operating on the same page. For a big company, that will take weeks to go through. Even worse for firing a person. Takes ages.
 
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