gamergirly
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Just more awesome that X is getting so many opinions
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Did Monolith Soft run over Square-Enix with 'X'?
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I'm playing through it now, it's surprisingly good when it comes to the story, but very very mediocre as an open world game.
Meccanical
Member
Yes, as an open world game it needs a lot of work.
But it's a pretty fun action game.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Nomura in November: "Versus is coming along nicely. I'm going to have a meeting about it in just a bit!"
I meant on consoles. TWEWY is one of my favorite games. And if publishing is their best contribution then that speaks volumes for their own development teams.
Hot Coldman
Banned
next week, in videogame magazine...
Meccanical
Member
Yeah, their dev side hasn't been so hot.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Nope, we're not doing this.
This is true, and I hope if they ever decide to do another one, they'll fix that right up and make it more cohesive and polished. Outside of that, it was serviceable.
Meccanical
Member
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Uhhh... Chocobo's Dungeon and Crystal Bearers (Layle was kinda cool).
The Last Remnant on PC was probably my favourite game from them this generation.
Nier? Even though that was Cavia?
RustyNails
Member
Monolith did not run over S-E. Toriyama did and hit himself too.
IrishNinja
Member
people defending Versus in here - how many years after we've seen it? 6+? - are blowing my mind. yeah, OP's really gonna eat his words at E3 when square delivers on all that hype, instead of say a closed room viewing of some more Lightning stuff, surely this will be the year
don't get me wrong, TWEWY was one of my absolute favorites last gen, and publishing Nier was great as well, but they're struggling to keep even their flagship title relevant under wada.
don't get me wrong, TWEWY was one of my absolute favorites last gen, and publishing Nier was great as well, but they're struggling to keep even their flagship title relevant under wada.
They also put out Dis- no wait that was hand helds. Well how about Typ- no, that was hand helds. Well there's still Bra- no, hand helds. Oh hey, what about Thea- no, that one, too.
Hand Held Square and Console Square are different companies.
Shenmue 3.
Meccanical
Member
Where's that picture of the bloodshot eyes guy crying at his desk with a calendar behind him?
IMHO Square Enix are one of the most over rated developers around.
FF13 and its sequals were sub par below average JRPGs. No one can tell me FF13 was a great game, nor its sequals and spin offs. Square spent millions of dollars deloping and years making these games. Despite the financial, man power, and time spent developing these games, this was the best they could come up with? FF13 in particular was terrible with its on rails 40 hour game play, average plot, terrible voice acting, and slow pacing.
Meanwhile a developer like Monolith who have no where near the budget, manpower, resources, or development time as Square can come out with an epic like Xenosaga. That game was almost perfect. Everything from the music, graphics, over world, side quests, plot, battle system, exploration and freedom, just about everything was incredibly polished and amazingly executed.
The latest FF online can only be described as one of the most epic failures in the MMO market. It was so bad they pulled the game and had to re do it. It makes every mistake Bioware and EA made with SWTOR look good.
Square Enix imho are a better publisher then they are game developer. They've recently brought us Deus Ex HR, Sleeping Dogs, along with a few other jems. It's a sad world when one of the legendary JRPG developers publishes better games from other developers then they make.
FF13 and its sequals were sub par below average JRPGs. No one can tell me FF13 was a great game, nor its sequals and spin offs. Square spent millions of dollars deloping and years making these games. Despite the financial, man power, and time spent developing these games, this was the best they could come up with? FF13 in particular was terrible with its on rails 40 hour game play, average plot, terrible voice acting, and slow pacing.
Meanwhile a developer like Monolith who have no where near the budget, manpower, resources, or development time as Square can come out with an epic like Xenosaga. That game was almost perfect. Everything from the music, graphics, over world, side quests, plot, battle system, exploration and freedom, just about everything was incredibly polished and amazingly executed.
The latest FF online can only be described as one of the most epic failures in the MMO market. It was so bad they pulled the game and had to re do it. It makes every mistake Bioware and EA made with SWTOR look good.
Square Enix imho are a better publisher then they are game developer. They've recently brought us Deus Ex HR, Sleeping Dogs, along with a few other jems. It's a sad world when one of the legendary JRPG developers publishes better games from other developers then they make.
IrishNinja
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yeah that was really at an E3 event last gen, with lots of follow-up talk about how the development's coming along, so that makes this a highly relevant comment, good work gravijers
protip: Sega still makes good games, square is only a few steps above konami in my mind right now in the "we forgot how" dept
In no world is Xenoblade almost perfect. It has many flaws, the battle system chief among them.
You can't take my Square Enix joy away from me.
I feel like that's a bit unfair to Enix's side, though, 'cuz DQ 9 was pretty good.
Xenosaga foo
Hot Coldman
Banned
Square's been doing it themselves to their die-hard fans for years now. HOLD ON IT'S COMING GUYSit's not coming, give up, play actual games.
Meccanical
Member
Ain't nothin' perfect about Xenosaga II
He typoed. That's the answer!
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
I'm talking about SE's own internal studios. This has nothing to do with westernization - in fact, i'd agree that the western side of SE is the only decent part left. What i'm referring to is how SE Japan studios have moved away from what made their older franchises such as Final Fantasy, Star Ocean, Parasite Eve, Chrono etc etc so special, or else exploited their good elements into the ground. And by move away I don't mean become more westernized, I mean they just became shit. The rest of Japan gets it - they looked at what has worked for them in the past, and have now gone back to that formula. And I think it's working.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Ugh, let's not talk about Konami's incompetence. Because I'll cry.
And Sega really has come a long way since the beginning of this generation. Publishing a lot of their arcade-esque titles on digital platforms, better Sonic games (outside of letting Dimps work on them), ok-ish PC ports, publishing some good stuff (Infinite Space, Resonance of Fate), etc. The only thing they really need to do is localize VC3 and stop being idiots about the Shining series.
Eh. I didn't like DQ9 as much as other people did. It's alright from an aesthetic and ideas perspective, but you know I prefer the other ones like 3, 5 and 8.
That's why you've gotta ignore half of the nonsense they say.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Run it through Gizoogle instead.But how am I supposed to laugh at them if I do that?
Meccanical
Member
But this fantasy is based on reality.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Was there any announcement about a foreign release?
I mean I doubt it will end up like Xenoblade did but you never know....
I mean I doubt it will end up like Xenoblade did but you never know....
No, but XB did well enough in the west.
I'm wondering where they got the budget to do a game like X with how their games sell, though.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
i can't believe im saying this, but i REALLY hope someone rips off X (concept and design wise) as soon as possible. i like what i see in the gifs but i just can't see myself playing this on WiiU. i NEED my PS3 controller. i NEED my trophies. i am coming to the realization that i have been ensnared in the sony ecosystem to the point where i won't buy on another system because of it's lack of sony ecosystem and related features. wow.
IrishNinja
Member
what joy are you getting from them in recent years? serious question here meng
yeah, i assume VC3 was a victim of the times like Persona 2's other half? i wanna cry about the Yakuza titles but Segata assures me they're not worth the tears, at least the first one.
what they're doing with Shining - especially the YT videos - is absolutely mind-boggling, though. i thought it was bad enough going after Streets of Rage fan game (which was excellent by the way) when they wanted to ios port part 2, but this is even dumber in my mind.
Eteric Rice
Member
Their fame is mostly from their Squaresoft days. They are indeed a shadow of their former selves.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Yeah but that doesn't mean much honestly with Nintendo. A lot of their decisions aren't really based in logic. I mean Earthbound is easily one of the most beloved franchises ever and how do they treat it...?
I will remain optimistic(even though I will be getting the JP version) but you never know....
To be fair, to re-release Earthbound now they'd need to change some of the music.
Meccanical
Member
lol that gif
"It's still real to me dammit!"
"It's still real to me dammit!"
They'll have a huge Versus blowout at this year's E3. Nomura-sama will be on stage and play it and it'll blow everyone's minds because it's so awesome and everything we've been waiting for the last 6 years.
Right guys?
It's going to have the best Yoko Shimomura OST ever, at least. Legend of Mana will be topped!
Meccanical
Member
I fucking love Legend of Mana's OST.
They'll have a huge Versus blowout at this year's E3. Nomura-sama will be on stage and play it and it'll blow everyone's minds because it's so awesome and everything we've been waiting for the last 6 years.
Right guys?
IrishNinja
Member
that's just one game, and quite the lowering of standards after the vastly superior XII...but you too know that
and it is, which is another reason why Sega >>>> Square m'man
Uncle Rupee
Banned
S-E has grown too big for its own good.
When you see the S-E logo on Tomb Raider and Hit Man you know there's a serious problem.
When you see the S-E logo on Tomb Raider and Hit Man you know there's a serious problem.
Popular in what sense?
BudokaiMR2
Member
Yes I know all of these issues but I am also pretty damn sure they could have recouped those losses.
Still anyone who uses actual sound logic to guess what Nintendo will do is being a bit naive.