Agreed, if you want the best movies and music you go iTunes. Games you get the vita.
In other words, you need to have both.
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Did Sony just beat Apple to the punch?
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Agreed, if you want the best movies and music you go iTunes. Games you get the vita.
In other words, you need to have both.
The more cynical part of me tends to agree with this.
BUT- Given the Vita's capability with the PS4 the hopeful part of me sees these as signs that they are going to commit to the platform and invest in it's success.
EDIT: What about Gaikai? Can the device be capable of using it somehow?
huh? it only outputs 720p?
I don't think so, or nothing comes to mind. If they do advertise it as one alongside having the Vita library, it could definitely be a great contender because the value is there. No doubt about that. They'd have to make sure they aren't behind Roku's streaming capability though. I believe that's the best one out, while Apple TV is behind but tries to make up for it by being interpreted with iTunes.
I'm interested in seeing what doors will open for Apple with the controller. The graphics improve constantly, but the control scheme is what was messing things up.
I don't own a Vita yet, so I don't know how good and what media apps they have exactly. Sorry about that. You're right about the pricing tier, I can definitely agree with that.
What punch? I dont see this product catching on at all in the US. No one knows what a Vita is, let alone cares. The general public cares more about Apple and Android.
Nightengale
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Yes, it can because Sony has already said that Gaikai will be coming to PSVita and PS3 eventually, ( after PS4 )
Flatline
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Yeap, that sucks.
LiquidMetal14
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I think the potential to expand their current reach with PSV will do great for the SW. You can now play PSV/PS1/PSP games on TV with a dedicated box. You have the PSV interface to have things like Netflix and whatever else comes. Then you have PS4 streaming function. This thing will be a Godsend for my family. I will now have a dedicated Roku like device which will play a huge catalog of great games.
I get that Apple is a juggernaut and this thing might be laughed at in sales but that doesn't discredit the validity of the device.
I get that Apple is a juggernaut and this thing might be laughed at in sales but that doesn't discredit the validity of the device.
I think a lot of this Vita TV capability will be dependent on how robust its media use features are. Can I plug in a memory stick or external drive to play videos directly? Will it support multiple formats beyond mp4?
I think if the answer to these questions is "yes", then they will have a big advantage over Apple and Roku. I have to use airplay on Apple TV and Roku is just out of luck on most video formats.
Edit - 720p only? Well damn. I guess they're competing with generation 1 Apple TV.
I think if the answer to these questions is "yes", then they will have a big advantage over Apple and Roku. I have to use airplay on Apple TV and Roku is just out of luck on most video formats.
Edit - 720p only? Well damn. I guess they're competing with generation 1 Apple TV.
tinfoilhatman
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All I have to say is "good luck" to Sony with this device
edit....Seriously 720p only, welcome to Apple TV Roku 4 years ago.
edit....Seriously 720p only, welcome to Apple TV Roku 4 years ago.
Nightengale
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What is Roku, Boxee, TiVo, even Chromecast.
There's actually a growing market for this, compared to the shrinking market for dedicated handheld consoles.
Sure, it may not be the next sliced bread, but this only has the potential of growing the market. More is better than less.
BronsonLee
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Note: The 720p stuff may only be for the PS4 Remote Play stuff. I'm not sure what resolution they're doing for the other stuff.
Yes it does. A modified version, obviously, but it is iOS.
thetrin
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Have you tried using the internet that you're currently using to post?
lol. Not to Apple as a company.
Not sure how you're making that jump. Obviously I'm referring to Apple's entrance into TV gaming, and as a media streamer.
Damn
Shalashaska161
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Misterinenja
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Yes.
RIP Apple.
RIP Apple.
Well, everything is based on eachother. iOS is based on OSX, but they are not the same.
Pretty much how I see it. TVita ain't gonna set the world on fire, but has some unique bullet points to its feature list as it enters the small media streaming box market. I'm very interested in seeing how Sony ends up marketing this thing; It's got plenty of potential to find a niche and grow from there, but it has plenty more chance to end up just as dead as its mobile brother.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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It does say vita on it. Look at vita memory cards, vita games, and the vita itself. Probably be a fun thing for us gaffers to buy sometime next year whenever comes out in our places if it does.
At $99, I'd recon a shit-load of people will buy it if marketed right.
This has the potential to be a nice little niche product for Sony, but the big question is whether they will market if effectively. A big part of that is having a focused idea of what the machine actually does and being able to get that message to consumers.
Worst case scenario is a $100 box with no controller (really $150 for new adopters then) that is advertised alongside Vita (completely ineffective campaign so far) that's selling point is the capability to play some, but not all Vita games and "oh it connects to a $400 console."
Best case is a focused media campaign selling it as the best media streaming device out there, combined with excellent gaming capabilities for $100. Get Rockstar to port GTA V to Vita and use it to advertise the new $100 television-based system.
All history of post-PS2 Sony points to the worst case scenario. There is always reason to be hopeful, but just aping what Vita currently does would not make it the best media player out there, or even close.
Worst case scenario is a $100 box with no controller (really $150 for new adopters then) that is advertised alongside Vita (completely ineffective campaign so far) that's selling point is the capability to play some, but not all Vita games and "oh it connects to a $400 console."
Best case is a focused media campaign selling it as the best media streaming device out there, combined with excellent gaming capabilities for $100. Get Rockstar to port GTA V to Vita and use it to advertise the new $100 television-based system.
All history of post-PS2 Sony points to the worst case scenario. There is always reason to be hopeful, but just aping what Vita currently does would not make it the best media player out there, or even close.
razoftblend
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On the gaming side, most Vita games are ports or cross-platform available on PS3, which can already play play all PS1 games plus PS2 and HD remasters. You would only lack PSP, but from what I understand, not many people would be sad about that. The PS3 is a much better proposition. Besides, the Vita TV is not portable, so there's no reason to get one over PS3, and there's the lack of memory as well.
On the media side, the only good thing would be to have the standard apps for netflix, hulu, etc that all other similar devices already have. 1:1 content, Apple has Sony beat with iTunes.
iDevices are very popular; the same cannot be said about PS devices in scale, let alone the Vita brand. This device is esentialy for no one since Sony has better devices with better value, including cheap Blu-ray players for media content.
On the media side, the only good thing would be to have the standard apps for netflix, hulu, etc that all other similar devices already have. 1:1 content, Apple has Sony beat with iTunes.
iDevices are very popular; the same cannot be said about PS devices in scale, let alone the Vita brand. This device is esentialy for no one since Sony has better devices with better value, including cheap Blu-ray players for media content.
razoftblend
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But the DS4 only has one touch pad. The Vita has a touch screen and a touch pad. Unless a controler option is added to the game, games like Tearaway will become near impossible to play. We can expect this from Sony, but now it seems Sony is telling third parties not to use two of the seling points of the Vita for future games.
Its the games that sell the system - and if Vita is going to continue making handheld games at $40-50 a pop I think people would prefer to buy PS3 or PS4 games.
One way it could be successful would be to have cheaper games so it can compete in that $1-$5 space... this would drive a lot of sales as it would be a cheap alternative to an iphone or iPad. And im not talking about PS mini games, im talking about indy games like Terraria or Minecraft or Rain or Murasaki Baby or things like that. Vita could still continue to pump out the $40 games but there definitely needs to be games at all price points to satisfy the various gamers and get people to purchase the console.
but yes everyone has been clamoring for Apple to make an Apple TV with a controller and Sony has done something similar.
It does put me in a weird situation, i can see the value in the system at $99, but I can't bring myself to buy one as i have a Vita already and have all the functionality I need, does this thing do anything that a PS4 + vita can't already? They probably should have added something like the ability to use normal SD cards instead of the Vita memory cards and I would have been all over it. Vita memory cards are still too expensive.
One way it could be successful would be to have cheaper games so it can compete in that $1-$5 space... this would drive a lot of sales as it would be a cheap alternative to an iphone or iPad. And im not talking about PS mini games, im talking about indy games like Terraria or Minecraft or Rain or Murasaki Baby or things like that. Vita could still continue to pump out the $40 games but there definitely needs to be games at all price points to satisfy the various gamers and get people to purchase the console.
but yes everyone has been clamoring for Apple to make an Apple TV with a controller and Sony has done something similar.
It does put me in a weird situation, i can see the value in the system at $99, but I can't bring myself to buy one as i have a Vita already and have all the functionality I need, does this thing do anything that a PS4 + vita can't already? They probably should have added something like the ability to use normal SD cards instead of the Vita memory cards and I would have been all over it. Vita memory cards are still too expensive.
something fishy
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can't see it bothering anybody to be honest. ready to go the way of the vita.
"...if marketed right." is the goto phrase on GAF. As if that is the norm and not the rare, rare exception. Especially in the consumer electronics world.
Yes, many devices would be a success if they had a huge amount of money (like the Surface) coupled with a brilliant ad campaign (the original Ipod). The problem is that rarely do those two aspects come together.
Especially now that the effectiveness of media is becoming even more and more diluted, your ad dollar doesn't buy you what it used to. The best you can hope for is to get a niche and let word of mouth do it's magic. But even that can't overcome other perception obstacles that already exist (see: Surface).
You've got an otherwise useless set of extra L/R buttons on a controller that could be used to activate backtouch mode.
I'll do my part then, because I fucking want this.
Isn't the back touchpad pretty much just used for games as extra buttons and can be done with L2/R2/L3/R3 that the controller has access to?
But yeah, games where you actually need to touch specific things on the main screen will be unplayable. Like fighting off ambushes in Dynasty Warriors for example.
I wasn't referring to Apple as a company. The Vita TV will have close to zero impact on anything Apple wants to do in the space.
winner winner chicken dinner
JacksUsername
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Both devices really target their existing userbase. It's much easier to justify the purchase an Apple TV if you have an iPad or Mac, and if you're a PS+ member or will be using a PS4, it's easier to justify the Vita TV. In terms of product saturation in homes, Apple is on a different level than Sony, so I don't really see it as beating Apple to the punch. Especially considering how much more attention Apple will receive by mainstream press outlets for whatever they announce.
Captain Tuttle
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Hopefully not this new Sony under Kaz.
Ovek
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Yep
Good lord it comes with a HDMI cable! Sony really are pushing the boat out this gen...
razoftblend
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Well like I said, Sony will probably add these options, but I don't have faith in third parties to follow up. If anything, they will just kill the use of touch screen and touch pad, turning these two "selling points" into useless features that they charge you for.
