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[DogWelder]

Rofl! I'm sorry, I meant for it to be serious, but if reading it with sarcasm makes you laugh, be my guest. :lol

Either way, my point remains the same.

Well your point is certainly correct, but I was confused as to why you replied to my post with that tidbit of info.

 

[fanboi]

The problem with this approach is that it is unsustainable. You can not keep up this way of eating your entire life and will eventually go back to your old ways and then gain back even more weight. It's why people keep getting fatter and fatter. It's not because they lack will power, it's because they try silly diets and lose 10-15 pounds only to gain back 20 more.


Weight Watchers has the best approach if you want to lose weight and still have a diet you can live with.

This i can agree on, as all diets, since you can't change the diet because you will go up.

 

[Price Dalton]

You can't get certain nutrition from solely butter, bacon, and eggs. The body will function, but it won't function well.

Your health is more important than your physical appearance.

Which essential vitamins can't we get from a high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet?

 

[Tim the Wiz]

smh

 

[Pumpkins]

But(ter) I feel like I have more energi, I can do much more before I feel tiered!

...Is this a joke? :lol

 

[fanboi]

No need. You will be the "experiment" that determines just what does happen when you have buttered bacon and six eggs for breakfast :lol

Thanks for volunteering your life to the cause of science!



Hmm, it already seems to be making you less coherent.

I'll make a note of it: "Test Subject "fanboi" attempting to communicate in strange pseudo-English. Becoming less and less coherent. Complete illiteracy may be imminent."

Well, someone injected a very dangerus disease in him self just to test his cure.

And it worked

 

[Pumpkins]

Well your point is certainly correct, but I was confused as to why you replied to my post with that tidbit of info.

I guess I just felt like having a "The More You Know" kinda post, lol.

Which essential vitamins can't we get from a high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet?

You're on the diet too?

Wth. :lol

 

[Asmodai]

Well, someone injected a very dangerus disease in him self just to test his cure.

And it worked

Ok, this isn't funny anymore. It's scary.

I get the feeling that you're 12 years old or something. Why are you doing such a dangerous thing to yourself when you obviously have absolutely NO clue at all what the consequences could be?

Let's just get it straight. Modern science, the same thing that made the magical computer you're reading this on, is at a consensus that people who eat the stuff that you do with this ridiculous diet every day will die at a very young age.

How stupid can you be to potentially throw away your life because you're too lazy to lose weight the real way?

 

[Anton Sugar]

Good thing I didn't lose 15 pounds eating 200+ grams of fat a day.

Oh wait.

Those demonizing saturated fats and cholesterol really need to actually READ the studies that this demonization came from, instead of blindly following.

PS when I was applying to the fire department (less than 100g of fat a day, IF that, lots of carbs), my reading came back with dangerously high cholesterol. What to do?

 

[Pumpkins]

I have a feeling this thread is just a joke.

I'm probably wrong though.

 

[fanboi]

Ok, this isn't funny anymore. It's scary.

I get the feeling that you're 12 years old or something. Why are you doing such a dangerous thing to yourself when you obviously have absolutely NO clue at all what the consequences could be?

Let's just get it straight. Modern science, the same thing that made the magical computer you're reading this on, is at a consensus that people who eat the stuff that you do with this ridiculous diet every day will die at a very young age.

How stupid can you be to potentially throw away your life because you're too lazy to lose weight the real way?

You dont read my posts do you?

What is the "real" way to lose weight?

What proof do you have to claim your assumptions is correct?

Also, I will go and get a physical examination later on, and post the results here when I do it.

 

[Price Dalton]

I guess I just felt like having a "The More You Know" kinda post, lol.



You're on the diet too?

Wth. :lol

No response? I figured.

Tell me something. What kind of health markers would you expect to see in a population that got about 50% of its caloric intake from saturated fat?

 

[Pumpkins]

No response? I figured.

I was just asking a question. But anyway, I'll be honest, I'm no nutritionist, but it doesn't take a nutritionist to know that a balanced, healthy diet, is better for the body than a majorly fat consuming one, especially without proper exercise.

 

[water_wendi]

i lost a good deal of weight on an Atkins-like diet. i cut out all carbs and ate only fibrous veggies and lean meats/fish. My diet consisted mostly of tuna, green or caesar salad, chicken, sauerkraut, cabbage, cucumbers and celery. The weight just fell off of me, i had tons of energy, and after the first few days of no sugar, my mood was really good. There were 3 problems with this diet though..

1. it costs a lot of money and time. Money because these food tend to be more than high-carb alternatives (soup, rice, etc). And time because almost everything requires longer preparation vs opening up a can of soup and heating for example. Also if you have to eat out, forget about it.. way too much money.

2. its boring as fuck. The menu doesnt change much. And unless you are a good cook and have time to really focus on preparing your meals, you are SOL.

3. once you enter ketosis and start burning fat, you will stink. Chlorophyllin pills can help here though

ive gained some weight back so i really want to go back to this way of eating but ffs im so god damned broke atm.

 

[Asmodai]

Good thing I didn't lose 15 pounds eating 200+ grams of fat a day.

Oh wait.

Those demonizing saturated fats and cholesterol really need to actually READ the studies that this demonization came from, instead of blindly following.

PS when I was applying to the fire department (less than 100g of fat a day, IF that, lots of carbs), my reading came back with dangerously high cholesterol. What to do?

Right, we'll call you Test Subject 3 then. This thread sure brings a lot of fat diet followers out of the woodwork, doesn't it?

Yeah, we'll just assume everything modern science tells us about the human body and nutrition is wrong, and that some random article someone dug up on t3h intarwebs is completely right.

 

[rezuth]

Ignorant? If you have tried diffrent diets (including eating varied) how can you call it ignorant?

If this had been a swedish board, I would have explained it better.

Also, the National Food Administration for Sweden has approved of this diet.

Still as I said, this diet is so wrong agains your prev. learnings.

I don't see them approving it anywhere on the website atleast. I do however find what they recommend you to eat. Guess what? Its teh same as it has always been.

Pasta, sallad, vegetables, fruit, potato, bread, butter etc

Example: Potato, chicken, sallad

 

[Cheshire]

Why do people want to short cut these things? You put on weight when you exercise because you build muscle. The more muscle you have, the more fat it burns because your muscles need energy to operate yes? So even though there may be an initial increase in weight, it's good weight. Also you need to do both cardio and resistance training to get the best results.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Right, we'll call you Test Subject 3 then. This thread sure brings a lot of fat diet followers out of the woodwork, doesn't it?

Yeah, we'll just assume everything modern science tells us about the human body and nutrition is wrong, and that some random article someone dug up on t3h intarwebs is completely right.

Please please PLEASE link these modern science reports. Because its been common knowledge in the weightlifting/powerlifting/bodybuilding world for over 40 years that if you want to cut weight, you reduce carbs.

Long live modern science and the FDA, right?

 

[Asmodai]

Please please PLEASE link these modern science reports. Because its been common knowledge in the weightlifting/powerlifting/bodybuilding world for over 40 years that if you want to cut weight, you reduce carbs.

Long live modern science and the FDA, right?

I would look it up if I was the one endangering my health by starting this kind of "diet."

But since you're the one who times out early if things don't go as you expect, I'm not too worried about it. And you don't seem worried about it either, so whatever floats your boat.

I wonder if a "diet" consisting entirely of smoking cigarettes and snorting coke makes you lose weight! Some guy in Sweden lost 10 kg doing that, so it's obviously healthy and completely safe! :lol

 

[Superman00]

You dont read my posts do you?

What is the "real" way to lose weight?

What proof do you have to claim your assumptions is correct?

Also, I will go and get a physical examination later on, and post the results here when I do it.

You need to read up on nutrients and the human body. Fats is the storage of extra energy. It's easier to store excess energy, but burning them is a different matters. That is why you can gain weight faster than you can lose weight. The human body main source of energy is carbs. The body is not good at burning excessive amount of fats. Also, your diet is totally dumb. Fats has 9 calories, while protein and carbs has 4 calories. You basically gaining twice as much calories for the same amount.

 

[Price Dalton]

I would look it up if I was the one endangering my health by starting this kind of "diet."

But since you're the one who times out early if things don't go as you expect, I'm not too worried about it. And you don't seem worried about it either, so whatever floats your boat.

I wonder if a "diet" consisting entirely of smoking cigarettes and snorting coke makes you lose weight! Some guy in Sweden lost 10 kg doing that, so it's obviously healthy and completely safe! :lol

You're pretty sure of yourself.

If the diet is so obviously dangerous, finding some actual support for that stance should be easy. I'll wait.

 

[fanboi]

I don't see them approving it anywhere on the website atleast. I do however find what they recommend you to eat. Guess what? Its teh same as it has always been.

Pasta, sallad, vegetables, fruit, potato, bread, butter etc

Example: Potato, chicken, sallad

Oh, sorry it was:

National Board of Health and Welfare

Other Links regarding this diet (and National Board of Health and Welfare):

http://www.kostdoktorn.se/socialstyrelsen-godkanner-lagkolhydratskost
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=597&a=734093
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=597&a=734091
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_784141.svd
http://tv4nyheterna.se/1.249143/nyheter/2008/01/17/fett_ar_inte_farligt?firstComment=10#forum
http://www.svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=22620&a=1027824&lid=puff_1026618&lpos=rubrik
http://www.st.nu/nyheter/lokalt.php?action=visa_artikel&id=700532
http://www.aftonbladet.se/kropphalsa/article1653601.ab

There are more... all in Swedish though.

 

[Superman00]

Please please PLEASE link these modern science reports. Because its been common knowledge in the weightlifting/powerlifting/bodybuilding world for over 40 years that if you want to cut weight, you reduce carbs.

Long live modern science and the FDA, right?

What? They cutting carbs, but eating more protein, not fats. Eating more fats totally negates the eating less carbs. Calories are calories, plus it is easier to burn carbs than to burn fats.

 

[water_wendi]

I would look it up if I was the one endangering my health by starting this kind of "diet."

But since you're the one who times out early if things don't go as you expect, I'm not too worried about it. And you don't seem worried about it either, so whatever floats your boat.

I wonder if a "diet" consisting entirely of smoking cigarettes and snorting coke makes you lose weight! Some guy in Sweden lost 10 kg doing that, so it's obviously healthy and completely safe! :lol

Look.. ketogenic diets (high fats, sufficient protein, low carbs) have been around for a long time. In fact they are used primarily to help control of certain neurological disorders before they really took off in the body building community and as a weight loss tool.

 

[Asmodai]

You're pretty sure of yourself.

If the diet is so obviously dangerous, finding some actual support for that stance should be easy. I'll wait.

Hahah yeah, I should be the one here sure about myself, because I'm not the one in a potentially suicidal diet.

Normally I don't google search on account of strangers, but because you might not have all that much time left to wait, I'll do it for you.

http://www.ohsu.edu/ohsuedu/newspub/releases/030607obesity.cfm

There's the first one that popped up on google. Some kind of university study on mice. I'm sure you'll claim that it's illegitimate or not a valid source because it doesn't agree with you, though. That's what people like you usually do, deny anything that doesn't support your claims.

 

[DogWelder]

Please please PLEASE link these modern science reports. Because its been common knowledge in the weightlifting/powerlifting/bodybuilding world for over 40 years that if you want to cut weight, you reduce carbs.

Long live modern science and the FDA, right?

Are you saying that high-fat diets are not harmful to the body, or that they can be used as a means to lose weight? I don't see how anyone can argue the second point, since all that really matters in weight loss is the difference between energy intake and expenditure. Some high-fat diets will work, sure. If you're arguing the first point, on the other hand, that is easily disproved.

 

[fanboi]

Hahah yeah, I should be the one here sure about myself, because I'm not the one in a potentially suicidal diet.

Also, you might want to reconsider waiting, because I'm not going to google search on your accord. Do it yourself. And if your diet turns out to be more dangerous than you expect, you might not have all that much time to wait. :lol

You don't know that, the varied food you eat now might make so you die in 5 years.

Also: http://www.nmsociety.org/App_Themes/Images/Diabetes/How I Quit Insulin with a Low Carb Diet.pdf

 

[Superman00]

You don't know that, the varied food you eat now might make so you die in 5 years.

If you are eating lots of fats, you better be eating only unsaturated fats, Cause saturated and trans fat are very dangerous for you in large amount.

 

[rezuth]

Oh, sorry it was:

National Board of Health and Welfare

Other Links regarding this diet (and National Board of Health and Welfare):

http://www.kostdoktorn.se/socialstyrelsen-godkanner-lagkolhydratskost
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=597&a=734093
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=597&a=734091
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_784141.svd
http://tv4nyheterna.se/1.249143/nyheter/2008/01/17/fett_ar_inte_farligt?firstComment=10#forum
http://www.svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=22620&a=1027824&lid=puff_1026618&lpos=rubrik
http://www.st.nu/nyheter/lokalt.php?action=visa_artikel&id=700532
http://www.aftonbladet.se/kropphalsa/article1653601.ab

There are more... all in Swedish though.

From what I can read these are all about diabetic people. The first link mentions fat people however Socialstyrelsen from what I read only said that they would let them recomend it for people who are diabetic. Also that they should be careful as enough research for longterm usage is not avaible.

This is not some recomendation from them as you put it. This simply states that a doctor who told her diabetic patients to use GI instead of what is the norm has the right to do so. No where do they give it the big "Approved, lets all do this!" or something like that.

 

[Superman00]

From what I can read these are all about diabetic people. The first link mentions fat people however Socialstyrelsen from what I read only said that they would let them recomend it for people who are diabetic. Also that they should be careful as enough research for longterm usage is not avaible.

This is not some recomendation from them as you put it. This simply states that a doctor who told her diabetic patients to use GI instead of what is the norm has the right to do so. No where do they give it the big "Approved, lets all do this!" or something like that.

:lol , now thats make a whole lot of sense.

 

[water_wendi]

Hahah yeah, I should be the one here sure about myself, because I'm not the one in a potentially suicidal diet.

Normally I don't google search on account of strangers, but because you might not have all that much time left to wait, I'll do it for you.

http://www.ohsu.edu/ohsuedu/newspub/releases/030607obesity.cfm

There's the first one that popped up on google. Some kind of university study on mice. I'm sure you'll claim that it's illegitimate or not a valid source because it doesn't agree with you, though. That's what people like you usually do, deny anything that doesn't support your claims.

Look its not just high fat vs low fat.. if you eat lots of fat but still consume high amounts of carbohydrates you will gain weight. i saw nothing there that talked about low carb.

Here is an article of ketogenic diets from a pediatric standpoint:

The Ketogenic Diet: One Decade Later
John M. Freeman, MD, Eric H. Kossoff, MD and Adam L. Hartman, MD

John M. Freeman Pediatric Epilepsy Center, Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions, Baltimore, Maryland

ABSTRACT

The ketogenic diet, a high fat, adequate protein, low carbohydrate diet, has, during the past decade, had a resurgence of interest for the treatment of difficult-to-control seizures in children. This review traces its history, reviews its uses and side effects, and discusses possible alternatives and the diet’s possible mechanisms of action. Finally, this review looks toward possible future uses of the ketogenic diet for conditions other than epilepsy.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/119/3/535

EDIT: Bolded Johns Hopkins so people see this is not some quack article

 

[Price Dalton]

Hahah yeah, I should be the one here sure about myself, because I'm not the one in a potentially suicidal diet.

Normally I don't google search on account of strangers, but because you might not have all that much time left to wait, I'll do it for you.

http://www.ohsu.edu/ohsuedu/newspub/releases/030607obesity.cfm

There's the first one that popped up on google. Some kind of university study on mice. I'm sure you'll claim that it's illegitimate or not a valid source because it doesn't agree with you, though. That's what people like you usually do, deny anything that doesn't support your claims.

Oh, it's legit, but it's just an article. To really understand the study, you'd need the original paper. I'd really like to see what the rats' diets were.

Was the high fat diet composed of hydrogenated trans fatty acids, polyunsaturated fatty acids, or saturated fat? This all matters.

Until we know the full data, it's all inconclusive.

 

[Asmodai]

You don't know that, the varied food you eat now might make so you die in 5 years.

Also: http://www.nmsociety.org/App_Themes/Images/Diabetes/How I Quit Insulin with a Low Carb Diet.pdf

Yeah, except that we know that the kind of normal, healthy diet that I have has resulted in long lived people throughout history.

But what's thousands of years of historical precedent next to "omg i lost 3 pounds by eating buttered bacon!"

Anyway buddy, it's your life and that of your "fat-diet" cronies that are on the line, not mine, so I'll leave you to your fat now.

Oh, it's legit, but it's just an article. To really understand the study, you'd need the original paper. I'd really like to see what the rats' diets were.

Was the high fat diet composed of hydrogenated trans fatty acids, polyunsaturated fatty acids, or saturated fat? This all matters.

Until we know the full data, it's all inconclusive.

Personally I don't trust anything I read on google to be valid or of any scientific merit. I use university exclusive journals and whatnot when I need a source with real credentials and confirmed legitimacy.

But I'm not going to research into your diet. That's your burden, assuming that you care about your health.

 

[Price Dalton]

If you are eating lots of fats, you better be eating only unsaturated fats, Cause saturated and trans fat are very dangerous for you in large amount.

Oh, then the brie-and-butter-eating French should have higher rates of heart disease than Americans, right?

 

[rezuth]

Oh, then the brie-and-butter-eating French should have higher rates of heart disease than Americans, right?

If you think they eat 2kg of brie and butter each day in France, you are way off.
Anyone who thinks this is a food problem is wrong, its all about your lifestyle.

 

[Price Dalton]

Look its not just high fat vs low fat.. if you eat lots of fat but still consume high amounts of carbohydrates you will gain weight. i saw nothing there that talked about low carb.

Here is an article of ketogenic diets from a pediatric standpoint:


http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/119/3/535

EDIT: Bolded John Hopkins so people see this is not some quack article

How about Alzheimer's in mice?

Previous studies have suggested that diets rich in cholesterol and saturated fats increased the deposition of Aβ and the risk of developing AD. Here we demonstrate that a diet rich in saturated fats and low in carbohydrates can actually reduce levels of Aβ.

 

[Rorschach]

From what I can read these are all about diabetic people. The first link mentions fat people however Socialstyrelsen from what I read only said that they would let them recomend it for people who are diabetic. Also that they should be careful as enough research for longterm usage is not avaible.

This is not some recomendation from them as you put it. This simply states that a doctor who told her diabetic patients to use GI instead of what is the norm has the right to do so. No where do they give it the big "Approved, lets all do this!" or something like that.

Oops...you can read that? Time to post some that are in Klingon with webdings text.

 

[Asmodai]

Oh, then the brie-and-butter-eating French should have higher rates of heart disease than Americans, right?

So that's is the kind of stuff you use as a justification to yourself for risking your long term health? What a joke.

 

[DogWelder]

Oh, then the brie-and-butter-eating French should have higher rates of heart disease than Americans, right?

It's called moderation, buddy.

 

[fanboi]

Yeah, except that we know that the kind of normal, healthy diet that I have has resulted in long lived people throughout history.

But what's thousands of years of historical precedent next to "omg i lost 3 pounds by eating buttered bacon!"

Anyway buddy, it's your life and that of your "fat-diet" cronies that are on the line, not mine, so I'll leave you to your fat now.



Personally I don't trust anything I read on google to be valid or of any scientific merit. I use university exclusive journals and whatnot when I need a source with real credentials and confirmed legitimacy.

But I'm not going to research into your diet. That's your burden, assuming that you care about your health.

You can't compare history to now...

Before industrial revolution etc we did have less access to food during winter periods (like the bear) and we worked harder (they didn't have any computer support job were you sat 8 h / day) so you could eat your carbs because they was consumed fast.

Also, in later period diabetes has sky rocketed with other diseases, also that we live longer is most due to better medecines and better healthcare from the hospitals.

 

[Price Dalton]

If you think they eat 2kg of brie and butter each day in France, you are way off.
Anyone who thinks this is a food problem is wrong, its all about your lifestyle.

My point is that French saturated fat intake is some of the highest, far higher than the US. And yet they have lower rates of heart disease? Since saturated fat is the single greatest dietary danger (especially when it comes to heart disease, right?), I would expect the French to have higher rates.

They also smoke (another risk factor for heart disease) more frequently than the US.

Those are two of the most oft-cited risk factors for heart disease, and they lead in both.

There are other examples of populations thriving on a high fat diet. Interested?

 

[DemonSwordsman]

wait wait wait. did i read a post of this guy saying Fruits are bad? :lol

The only thing that is gonna happen is you will either die of heart disease or when you get of the diet you will get your weight back.

 

[water_wendi]

How about Alzheimer's in mice?

Nice. Ketogenic diets are also being looked at for Parkinsons and Alzheimers now.

Recent studies have raised the possibility that the ketogenic diet could provide symptomatic benefit and might even be disease modifying in Alzheimer’s disease. Thus, Reger et al. (2004) found that acute administration of medium-chain triglycerides improves memory performance in Alzheimer’s disease patients. Further, the degree of memory improvement was positively correlated with plasma levels of β-hydroxybutyrate produced by oxidation of the medium-chain triglycerides. If β-hydroxybutyrate is responsible for the memory improvement, then the ketogenic diet, which results in elevated β-hydroxybutyrate levels, would also be expected to improve memory function. When a patient is treated for epilepsy with the ketogenic diet, a high carbohydrate meal can rapidly reverse the antiseizure effect of the diet (Huttenlocher, 1976). It is therefore of interest that high carbohydrate intake worsens cognitive performance and behavior in patients with Alzheimer’s disease (Henderson, 2004; Young et al., 2005).

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=16940764

 

[Price Dalton]

It's called moderation, buddy.

Americans moderate their saturated/total fat intake more than the French. Is it working?

 

[ant_]

This diet is incredibly unhealthy. It works, yeah, but in the long run it can not be kept up. A diet is not something you simply just go on to lose a few pounds and then return to your normal lifestyle. You'll just regain the wait. A diet is changing your lifestyle. Eating better, eating less, working out and becoming a more healthy person.

 

[fanboi]

wait wait wait. did i read a post of this guy saying Fruits are bad? :lol

The only thing that is gonna happen is you will either die of heart disease or when you get of the diet you will get your weight back.

If you have a sugar problem, yes... sugar = carbs.

Also, when you have a sugar problem, you will become like an alcholic and have abstinens of sugar.

In some ways, sugar addicts is worse then alcholics, since its way more accesible.

This diet lower the abstinens from not getting sugar.

 

[rezuth]

Americans moderate their saturated/total fat intake more than the French. Is it working?

Stop making claims without anything backing them up.

 

[water_wendi]

Americans moderate their saturated/total fat intake more than the French. Is it working?

:lol Thats a good point. i dont get the rabid attacks against the science that proves them otherwise. i suppose i shouldnt be surprised though.

 

[DogWelder]

Americans moderate their saturated/total fat intake more than the French. Is it working?

Wha? Wait, dude you can't quote someone and then act like I took it out of context. He clearly said saturated/trans fats. I am aware of the French paradox, I didn't know you were making this an issue about saturated fats only. The research is not clear, so I'm not going to make a qualified statement either way.

 

[atkbob]

How did this thread go from buttering bacon to anti-Americanism?