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water_wendi
Water is not wet!
vitaminwateryum
corporate swill
fanboi said:
Wait...am I missing something here?
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Its not really some super secret thing that obesity in America has run rampant.atkbob said:
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Well the diet and exercise industry has been going into overdrive in the US for the last 30 years without any success. i dont see many other countries with as much focus on the health craze like America yet those same countries have lower obesity rates.rezuth said:
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Seems pretty clear to me that the standard high carbs/low fat way of dieting doesnt work.
vitaminwateryum
corporate swill
:lolBrashnir said:
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
http://www.the-gi-diet.org/lowgifoods/
Is that true? Nutella, Snickers Bars and Milk Chocolate are all Low GI foods?
Is that true? Nutella, Snickers Bars and Milk Chocolate are all Low GI foods?
Superman00
Liverpool01
Price Dalton said:
You have nothing to back that up. Americans don't moderate shit. People in america eat a whole lot of butter, fried food, oily food. What are you even talking about?
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Compared to really low GI foods like green vegetables, no. Compared to other forms of sugar by serving, yes.Domino Theory said:
Vegetables
Frozen Green Peas 39
Frozen Sweet Corn 47
Raw Carrots 16
Eggplant/Aubergine 15
Broccoli 10
Cauliflower 15
Cabbage 10
Mushrooms 10
Tomatoes 15
Chillies 10
Lettuce 10
Green Beans 15
Red Peppers 10
Onions 10
vs.
Snacks and Sweet Foods
Slim-Fast meal replacement 27
Snickers Bar (high fat) 41
Nut & Seed Muesli Bar 49
Sponge Cake 46
Nutella 33
Milk Chocolate 42
Hummus 6
Peanuts 13
Walnuts 15
Cashew Nuts 25
Nuts and Raisins 21
Jam 51
Corn Chips 42
Oatmeal Crackers 55
Guess why? People dont want to stop taking their car everywhere, people dont want to stop playing games and watching tv all day long, people dont want to stop eating that china buffe that is just soooo goooooood.Number 2 said:
Obesity and being overweight is a lifestyle problem, not a food one. The food one is just part of the problem with the others combined.
Price Dalton
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rezuth said:
Sorry, I thought that's how we were doing it in this thread. My mistake.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1768013
Saturated fat intake versus heart disease on a global scale. Some interesting results.
Superman00
Liverpool01
Number 2 said:
No one is objecting that America is highly obese. Do you know why? People eats a lot of fatty and trans fat food. And they don't excercise enough.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Number 2 said:
Hmm, judging from the scale they gave:
Low GI = 55 or less
Medium GI = 56 - 69
High GI = 70 or more
Having all your daily meals and snacks be the foods listed under 55 would be a great diet, no?
Superman00
Liverpool01
Price Dalton said:Sorry, I thought that's how we were doing it in this thread. My mistake.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1768013
Saturated fat intake versus heart disease on a global scale. Some interesting results.
You know what else the French love? Wine, look up some study on wine and you will see.
http://www.beekmanwine.com/prevtopab.htm
I'm sorry but I was asking where they moderate it. Not that they by a coinincidence happen to eat more or less of something. Because guess what? That part of their lifestyle. So instead of linking me to some guesses made I would rather you link me to something which we can draw a conclusion from.Price Dalton said:Sorry, I thought that's how we were doing it in this thread. My mistake.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1768013
Saturated fat intake versus heart disease on a global scale. Some interesting results.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Of course there are other factors in play when it comes to obesity. The fact of the matter is that high fat/medium protein/low carb diets and ways of eating are not dangerous.. the science has been proving that they are beneficial and has been for some time.rezuth said:
My own personal anecdote... i lost about 60lbs just on a ketogenic diet. i didnt exercise because i was working 12-14 hours per day and im a lazy person by nature. The weight just fell off once i cut out all forms of sugars, starches and high carb veggies. The whole process took about 6 months. A coworker of mine lost over 100 lbs doing the same thing for a year. No sodas, no candies, no rices, no potatos, no breads.. just green vegetables and meats. Also no exercise.
shanshan310
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this is rediculous. If you were really serious about losing weight, you would look towards more long-term options. You need to eat a balanced diet, eat less, and exercise regularly. If your not keen on lifting weights or running, can i suggest matial arts? it works all of your muscles, and builds your fitness up gradually. and you can still exercise and eat less. don't eat nothing, but if you over eat (see: 6 eggs for breakfast) you are only going to gain weight and make yourself horribly ill in the long run. it doesn't need to be backed up with statistics, its common sense! Eating a diet like that is going to do you no good.
also its carbohydrates, not carbons. sorry, that was really annoying me.
Number two, taking out the carbs is not nessisarily a bad thing, but eating only whipped cream, butter and meat is different.
also its carbohydrates, not carbons. sorry, that was really annoying me.
Number two, taking out the carbs is not nessisarily a bad thing, but eating only whipped cream, butter and meat is different.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
rezuth said:
A Low-Carbohydrate, Ketogenic Diet versus a Low-Fat Diet To Treat Obesity and Hyperlipidemia:A Randomized, Controlled Trial
NEJM: Low-fat diets not best for weight loss: New study by Ben-Gurion U. of the Negev
Low-Fat Diet's Benefits Rejected: Study Finds No Drop In Risk for Disease
The only time i see high-fat diet studies being detrimental to health are when they are paired with carbohydrates.
shanshan310
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water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Here was my daily meal when i was losing weight (i still need to lose weight but am out of spare money at the moment and am living off ramen and rice pretty much)
Breakfast
2 eggs
3 strips turkey bacon
Lunch
2 cans tuna
a couple Tb mayo
some hot sauce
Snack (i changed these up when i got bored)
almonds
peanuts
sunflower seeds
Dinner
Chicken Caesar salad
Lunch and Dinner could be swapped out. About once a week i would get a petite cut sirloin steak and have that cooked in butter and hotsauce with a side salad.
Breakfast
2 eggs
3 strips turkey bacon
Lunch
2 cans tuna
a couple Tb mayo
some hot sauce
Snack (i changed these up when i got bored)
almonds
peanuts
sunflower seeds
Dinner
Chicken Caesar salad
Lunch and Dinner could be swapped out. About once a week i would get a petite cut sirloin steak and have that cooked in butter and hotsauce with a side salad.
hockeypuck
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Former Soviet bloc on the left half of the data plots and Western Europe on the right half with better healthcare access, more red wine/fresh fruit/vegetable consumption, and less smoking. Hardly conclusive.Price Dalton said:Sorry, I thought that's how we were doing it in this thread. My mistake.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1768013
Saturated fat intake versus heart disease on a global scale. Some interesting results.
To quote your cited study, "The average consumption of animal food groups, with the exception of fish, was positively associated with 25 year CHD mortality rates. Furthermore, the average population intake of saturated fat was strongly related to 10 and 25 year CHD mortality rates."
There's evidence on both sides of the debate, but the balance of data favors one side.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
First of all thats not what i said. i said that high fat/medium protein/low carb diets are showing via studies to not only not be harmful, but beneficial to health. Second i didnt bring up the GI.. i was responding to someone asking if Snickers and chocolate were really low according to that site they posted.rezuth said:
If you refuse to believe whats right in front of your face, that sounds like a personal problem... it sure isnt mine. Continue pushing whats comforting to you while you ignore the facts. ive found nutrition is just like anything else in the modern world (politics, religion, video games).. people choose their side and will defend to the death what they believe. i just find it funny that people rail on Atkins-like diets because they think that all they consist of is hamburger, steak, bacon and lard. When on that diet i ate more salads and consumed more fiber in three days time than most people eat in a month.. and my weight loss and energy was physical proof.
The human race began and has existed for a far longer time on a diet that is quite similar to Atkins, than on a neolithic agricultural type of diet. All those "carb" products are with a few similarly troublesome exceptions (potatoes mainly) essentially domesticated grass. Domesticated not for it's high nutritional value but because of its relative ruggedness, high raw energy value, and ease and speed of growing.
Trouble is, humans weren't meant for such a high intake of grass seeds (it gets even worse when you consider how much the different strains of grass has been pushed to the extreme to produce grain with high energy above everything else, especially in the last 100 years).
Humans were meant to eat meat (either by God or through evolution, it doesn't really matter because it's plainly evident from our digestion system), and as much as we can too. A lot of evidence points to meat being the sole reason for our large brains compared to other primates. You need a lot energy and time to develop a brain like ours. For that you need a steady and good supply of energy and building blocks (proteins and vitamins). The trouble with modern meat though, is that most domestic animals has been on a very monotonous diet of grain, to fat them up quickly. This leads to low quality meat, with unhealthy fat in it.
The solution is to eat smaller amounts of expensive high quality meat, coupled with less expensive but still high quality meat like chicken. Also, if you live in coastal areas were fresh fish is relatively inexpensive, seafood is a great way to get a lot of meat and fish oils.
Atkins isn't the end all and be all of diets, but he no doubt was on to something.
Trouble is, humans weren't meant for such a high intake of grass seeds (it gets even worse when you consider how much the different strains of grass has been pushed to the extreme to produce grain with high energy above everything else, especially in the last 100 years).
Humans were meant to eat meat (either by God or through evolution, it doesn't really matter because it's plainly evident from our digestion system), and as much as we can too. A lot of evidence points to meat being the sole reason for our large brains compared to other primates. You need a lot energy and time to develop a brain like ours. For that you need a steady and good supply of energy and building blocks (proteins and vitamins). The trouble with modern meat though, is that most domestic animals has been on a very monotonous diet of grain, to fat them up quickly. This leads to low quality meat, with unhealthy fat in it.
The solution is to eat smaller amounts of expensive high quality meat, coupled with less expensive but still high quality meat like chicken. Also, if you live in coastal areas were fresh fish is relatively inexpensive, seafood is a great way to get a lot of meat and fish oils.
Atkins isn't the end all and be all of diets, but he no doubt was on to something.
Price Dalton
Member
Squeak said:
The Paleo diet.
You don't get much more basic or definitive than evolution.
Mecha_Infantry
Banned
fanboi said:
Are you an idiot?
You DO know that when you build muscle it consumes fat when in a resting state? And it's proven that weight lifting consumes higher amounts of calories than most cardio work?
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
I can see how this diet will eventually reduce your weight through decomposition.
Are you talking about the Metabolic Diet? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2504905&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
natethegreat409
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So I once weighed 320 pounds.
I woke up one day and said, "I think I'm going to lose weight."
I walked daily for 45 minutes, and I stopped eating that complete crap that Americans fill their bodies with. Example: Soda, burgers, hotdogs, fried food, and all of that.
I ate a nice sandwhich filled with veggies everyday on some wheat bread. I ate a nice big bowl of whole grain cereal that was flavored and had sugar in it, along with 2 pieces of peanut butter bread. I ate everything in decent proportions and lived off of about 1900 calories a day. I was not starving all the time, and if I did get hungry I would snack on raw vegetables or eat fruit. Yep, I ate that deadly fruit stuff that so many diets tell you to stay away from.
Moral of the story. Eat in moderation and exercise and weight loss is easy. Stop making it complicated with these stupid unhealthy diets. In fact, change your lifestyle and it's a breeze to keep the weight off.
I now weigh 198 pounds. I can eat sweets if I want to, and drink a soda if I want to. I just do it in moderation and continue to exercise and the weight stays off and I stay healthy.
I woke up one day and said, "I think I'm going to lose weight."
I walked daily for 45 minutes, and I stopped eating that complete crap that Americans fill their bodies with. Example: Soda, burgers, hotdogs, fried food, and all of that.
I ate a nice sandwhich filled with veggies everyday on some wheat bread. I ate a nice big bowl of whole grain cereal that was flavored and had sugar in it, along with 2 pieces of peanut butter bread. I ate everything in decent proportions and lived off of about 1900 calories a day. I was not starving all the time, and if I did get hungry I would snack on raw vegetables or eat fruit. Yep, I ate that deadly fruit stuff that so many diets tell you to stay away from.
Moral of the story. Eat in moderation and exercise and weight loss is easy. Stop making it complicated with these stupid unhealthy diets. In fact, change your lifestyle and it's a breeze to keep the weight off.
I now weigh 198 pounds. I can eat sweets if I want to, and drink a soda if I want to. I just do it in moderation and continue to exercise and the weight stays off and I stay healthy.
nastynate409 said:
Good for you!
One of the most impressing people I find is the ones that loses massive amounts of fat from their body... you are a hero
But the problem with me and my gf is the sugar problem... which is caused på carbs...
If I eat this diet I lose the desire to plunge into a bag full of sweets, the desire never goes away 100%, but it's manageble.
But do you have a before and after pic? I find it very intersting to see the difference.
Price Dalton
Member
nastynate409 said:
Congrats, man. Your diet was a high-fat diet, though. In fact, every diet is a high-fat diet. What do you think was happening to all that body fat? It was being burned for energy as if it were dietary fat.
WHOAguitarninja
Member
Jeez, you people eat like birds. No wonder you lose weight.Number 2 said:
I'm a pretty small guy, 5'7" 145 lbs. I'm clean bulking right now so my goals are going to be slightly different, but I only need to lower my total caloric intake slightly and up my cardio frequency to cut pretty quickly.
Meal 1:5:30 am - Cheerios, protein shake (all I have time for in the morning, I'm at work at 6am)
Meal 2:7:30 am - chicken wrap using flax, whole grain, and oat lavash bread. 1 half wrap, 4-5 oz chicken, lettuce, and 1 slice pepperjack cheese
Meal 3: 9:30 am - meal replacement shake. 20g carbs, 5 g fat, 40g protein, 280 cals
Meal 4:11:30 am - grilled chicken sandwich with lettuce, tomato, one slice of pepper jack cheese
meal 5: 2:30 pm - meal replacement shake
meal 6 -4:00pm -one slice "exekial" bread, whole grain bread from sprouted grains, 4 oz chicken
5:00 - GYM
meal 7: 6:00pm: post workout shake - 40g protein, 30g dextrose, 30g maltodextrin
meal 8 7:00pm:my variation for the day. good meal with plenty of protein, maybe a half cup of brown rice, and some good fats
meal 9: 9:00pm - big bowl of cottage cheese just before bed
those are my weekdays. weekends are a bit weird because it's tougher to rigorously schedule myself.
These threads always piss me off, but I can never stop myself from looking. The only ones in this topic worth listening to are Prince Dalton and Snrub. Dalton'll happily link the studies that I've long since stopped linking because I'm tired of fighting the uninformed masses. FWIW, if you're thinking about a LCHF diet, listen to him. No, they aren't unhealthy.
Maleficence
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fanboi said:
Am I doing it right?
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