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[RoboPlato]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wo7N9uzSBw

Lichdom Battlemage found a friend. 20fps is the highest it goes, with frequent and significant drops, constant tearing, and textures can take minutes to load. All while looking like a poor last gen title.

 

[xRaizen]

I'd definitely say it is. Played it for a couple of hours the day it came out.

So sad, game has so much potential.

Also, don't hold your breath waiting for the devs to fix anything. They said the engine upgrade was coming soon 5 years ago. Every couple months they would say "Soon!".

The only updates they really make are related to ARMAS (their cash shop).

 

[dieter]

Yup, looks pretty bad: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1230457

 

[cakely]

Good lord. It looks like an early, early gen Xbox 360 game. And they got a maximum framerate of 20fps? With terrible tearing?

 

[antitrop]

Shit should be running at like 9000fps.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Shit should be running at like 9000fps.

Those textures would be considered an embarrassment if APB Reloaded was an N64 game.

 

[scitek]

Speaking of...Lichdom was patched this past Monday, any update on how much it improved?

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Does microsoft still have the rule that indy games should come out on Xbox One first or the same date or not at all? (special cases are allowed to)

 

[DOWN]

When is this coming to PS4? I always wanted to try this

 

[ArchedThunder]

Shit should be running at like 9000fps.

This is beyond incompetence.
MS, Sony and Nintendo really need to tighten their cert process.

 

[SOR5]

Ive commented on this before but I will let it be known, I will scream this to the heavens

APB Reloaded on XB1 is a fucking travesty, an actual offensively bad port that im flabberghasted made it through QA, there isnt even some sort of "redemption" because its Free 2 Download, it shouldnt be there at all.

A shame because you can definitely squeeze some fun out of the PC version

 

[PackAPunchedMick]

A maximum of 20 fps?

The developer should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

I thought to myself "surely it isn't that bad..."

Holy squirrel girl, it's BAD.

 

[Tecnniqe]

It was a shit show on PC to start with.

Game went down hill fast with G1 at the head.

 

[EvB]

This is beyond incompetence.
MS, Sony and Nintendo really need to tighten their cert process.

I wish people would stop saying this. This is not what certification does

 

[Rellik]

From my experience with the game, some of those textures never load in.

I deleted it when I died because the game frame rate went so low I couldn't turn to shoot the other player.

 

[EVA UNIT 01]

I dont even know what game this is.
First ive ever heard of it

 

[xRaizen]

It was a shit show on PC to start with.

Game went down hill fast with G1 at the head.

I remember being so, so happy when G1 picked it up after it got shut down. I enjoyed the first launch very much even though the balance was shit (N-Tec Dvah anyone?).

Then I realized all they cared about was the cash shop.

 

[deadscreensky]

I wish people would stop saying this. This is not what certification does

Maybe not, but it is what certification should do. These consoles are walled gardens, that's supposed to benefit the player at least in some small way. Garbage like this just wastes everybody's time.

 

[Tecnniqe]

I remember being so, so happy when G1 picked it up after it got shut down. I enjoyed the first launch very much even though the balance was shit (N-Tec Dvah anyone?).

Then I realized all they cared about was the cash shop.

Nano and Whisper for days bruh!

I loved the game under RTWs running, they had a issue with hackers but it was so much fun regardless as you could easily beat them when playing with a team on VoIP simply due to the OP N-Tec with mods out the barrel


I miss that game, I'm glad I got out of it vicious claws eventually.

 

[Vanguard]

When they state input latency I wonder if that's on foot, because if driving it makes sense as that's an issue that was on PC too due to driving being purely server side. No client side prediction etc (or if there was/is, didn't feel like there was at all), input sent to server, does what it does, positions and updates sent back. Something to do with trying to keep collisions accurate. Unless all that has changed in recent years but I doubt it by the sounds of it, but it would make playing the game near impossible if your ping was too high, you'd turn and then seconds later it will eventually turn. They did improve this over time as it was much worse in Alpha/Beta but yeah. I do not miss this game.

 

[dLMN8R]

Maybe not, but it is what certification should do. These consoles are walled gardens, that's supposed to benefit the player at least in some small way. Garbage like this just wastes everybody's time.

If the game isn't functionally broken, then you're advocating what could quickly become a dangerous slippery slope.

Not only would it be pretty much impossible to fairly deny projects from showing up on their stores, since everyone has different standards (and maybe some people are enjoying APB?), but it would also massively increase certification time + costs.

The best lesson that Microsoft and Sony learned from the 360/PS3 era is that lighter-weight and free certification processes end up benefit everyone, especially smaller independent teams.


Let the market decide what's shitty. Especially for a free-to-play game for which there's no risk in downloading to see for yourself.

 

[ArchedThunder]

I wish people would stop saying this. This is not what certification does

That's the thing, it SHOULD include stuff like this.
Does your game run like you're playing it on a potato? Instant cert fail, you can't publish this game on our platform in this state.

 

[213372bu]

Really?

It ran fine at PC launch, guess this was just a last ditch port to pump life in the game

Pros:
+Good music and playing music server side with other gang members was fun
+Hub world with community events was pretty cool

Cons:
-Pay to Win everything
-Get stuck in lower tier missions with other players who have been blessed by RNJesus/Paid $2 for a good weapon
-Boring
-Same few mission types
-Tons of Hackers
-Low quality assets
-Pay to Win everything

 

[Tecnniqe]

If the game isn't functionally broken, then you're advocating what could quickly become a dangerous slippery slope.

Not only would it be pretty much impossible to fairly deny projects from showing up on their stores, since everyone has different standards (and maybe some people are enjoying APB?), but it would also massively increase certification time + costs.

The best lesson that Microsoft and Sony learned from the 360/PS3 era is that lighter-weight and free certification processes end up benefit everyone, especially smaller independent teams.


Let the market decide what's shitty. Especially for a free-to-play game for which there's no risk in downloading to see for yourself.

I'd argue sub 20FPS is functionally broken.

If you cant even maintain 30FPS for the majority of the time you got some big functionality issues.

 

[J_Viper]

This is The Workshop, right? The same team porting XCOM2 to consoles?

Oh boy

 

[dallow_bg]

Who developed this port?

This is The Workshop, right? The same team porting XCOM2 to consoles?

Oh boy

Oh.... crap.

 

[No_Style]

Maybe not, but it is what certification should do. These consoles are walled gardens, that's supposed to benefit the player at least in some small way. Garbage like this just wastes everybody's time.

What if it was an artistic decision? A game like Soda Drinker Pro looks like ass but it's 100% intentional. What if APB: Reloaded's devs want people to play at 20 FPS?

 

[Ploid 3.0]

I dont even know what game this is.
First ive ever heard of it

Made by the people that made Crackdown. I remember when it was in development, wasn't it was supposed to be on Xbox 360 back then as well as PC?

 

[RoboPlato]

This is The Workshop, right? The same team porting XCOM2 to consoles?

Oh boy

Oh god

Doesn't Xcom 2 still have performance issues on PC?

 

[213372bu]

Oh god

Doesn't Xcom 2 still have performance issues on PC?

Not anymore.

Aside from pausing for a brief second before a map loads in.

 

[deadscreensky]

If the game isn't functionally broken, then you're advocating what could quickly become a dangerous slippery slope.

Not only would it be pretty much impossible to fairly deny projects from showing up on their stores, since everyone has different standards (and maybe some people are enjoying APB?), but it would also massively increase certification time + costs.

The best lesson that Microsoft and Sony learned from the 360/PS3 era is that lighter-weight and free certification processes end up benefit everyone, especially smaller independent teams.


Let the market decide what's shitty. Especially for a free-to-play game for which there's no risk in downloading to see for yourself.

I love PC gaming, I love open platforms, but I guess my argument boils down to these consoles aren't open platforms. That's honestly one of their main selling points. They don't allow everything to be released on them, there are rules, and I don't see why a game in this poor of a state can't be part of those rules.

I don't think it's as slippery a slope as you suggest. The video shows the game simply failing to properly function in multiple ways, from the AI turning off, random and common seconds-long pauses where the game entirely freezes, textures taking literal minutes to stream in, and a framerate usually hovering below 20fps. I don't think Microsoft saying this sort of thing is unacceptable for their monthly fee-paying Xbox Live Gold audience would be a particularly harsh hurdle for other developers. If it's not literally functionally broken it's damn close to it.

Increasing certification times and costs could be a problem I guess, that's true. But nobody comes out looking good when garbage like this comes to a platform.

What if it was an artistic decision? A game like Soda Drinker Pro looks like ass but it's 100% intentional. What if APB: Reloaded's devs want people to play at 20 FPS?

I understand what you guys are saying, but I don't feel it's as slippery as you're suggesting. We know what this game is supposed to look and play like because it's been available for what, six years on PC? This isn't a new Desert Bus, this is a game with obvious, gross technical issues.

 

[DOWN]

I'd argue sub 20FPS is functionally broken.

If you cant even maintain 30FPS for the majority of the time you got some big functionality issues.

See that's nonsense. Many famous and well received games have run mostly sub 30 and haven't had people think twice about it. GTA V had trouble hitting 30fps and most people were really pleased. Certification doesn't set these standards for consumers because the claim you just made is clearly a subjective spin that doesn't ring true for the market. It's a tricky idea to tell the console makers what is the EXACT objectively reviewable criteria for this stuff.

 

[ArchedThunder]

See that's nonsense. Many famous and well received games have run mostly sub 30 and haven't had people think twice about it. GTA V had trouble hitting 30fps and most people were really pleased. Certification doesn't set these standards for consumers because the claim you just made is clearly a subjective spin that doesn't ring true for the market. It's a tricky idea to tell the console makers what is the EXACT objectively reviewable criteria for this stuff.

GTAV could hit 30fps for extended periods of time, APB doesn't. There is a huge difference.

 

[texhnolyze]

I just don't understand.

I played this on my PC yeaaaars ago and it looked pretty good and ran beautifully. It's not really a demanding game even for its time. I mean, I kinda understand ARK and Lichdom, they're generally newer games that have just recently came out. Too bad, it's a pretty fun game.

 

[plasmawave]

Good lord. It looks like an early, early gen Xbox 360 game. And they got a maximum framerate of 20fps? With terrible tearing?

Early 360 game or late OG Xbox game.

 

[dLMN8R]

I'd argue sub 20FPS is functionally broken.

If you cant even maintain 30FPS for the majority of the time you got some big functionality issues.

As someone who happily played through GTA 5 on 360 where 20FPS is frequent, nah that's not "functionally broken"

 

[deadscreensky]

GTAV could hit 30fps for extended periods of time, APB doesn't. There is a huge difference.

It also didn't just freeze for long periods of time while the game keeps running. Textures didn't take multiple minutes to load in. AI didn't simply stop. I think people are focusing just on the framerate -- which is terrible! -- while this game has way more problems than that. Everybody needs to watch the video.

(And yes, if I was Videogame Dictator I would forbid any game releasing without at least a perceptual 60fps, but I recognize that is unfair and unworkable to all the bad game developers out there and that's not what I'm actually arguing about. Maybe an /s goes here?)

 

[Robot Pants]

Yea it's truly an awful game on any platform.
I was SOOOOO hyped for this game for years, just waiting and waiting and it turned out so utterly terrible.

I rip on Gears of War 2 all the time on GAF as my biggest disappointment of all time, but APB might even be worse.

You can't even shoot windows out for fucks sake

 

[Minamu]

Can't watch the video at work, is it a remaster or something of Splash Damage's APB: All Points Bulletin?

 

[viHuGi]

Looks like a terrible game with Ps2 graphics and Ps1 textures.

 

[xRaizen]

Let's not forget the game is also scheduled to release next month for PS4.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Can't watch the video at work, is it a remaster or something of Splash Damage's APB: All Points Bulletin?

It's an MMO from Crackdown devs, Realtime Worlds. It came out on PC back in 2010, but went F2P awhile ago.

 

[Jeffrey]

If the game isn't functionally broken, then you're advocating what could quickly become a dangerous slippery slope.

Not only would it be pretty much impossible to fairly deny projects from showing up on their stores, since everyone has different standards (and maybe some people are enjoying APB?), but it would also massively increase certification time + costs.

The best lesson that Microsoft and Sony learned from the 360/PS3 era is that lighter-weight and free certification processes end up benefit everyone, especially smaller independent teams.


Let the market decide what's shitty. Especially for a free-to-play game for which there's no risk in downloading to see for yourself.

I wouldn't mind this if PSN/XBL/retail had a return/refund policy for games.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

Really making use of that next-gen hardware there.

 

[DorkyMohr]

Can't watch the video at work, is it a remaster or something of Splash Damage's APB: All Points Bulletin?

Certainly doesn't look like a remaster.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

I'd argue sub 20FPS is functionally broken.

If you cant even maintain 30FPS for the majority of the time you got some big functionality issues.

That's not what functionally broken actually means.

 

[Gestault]

This game is a gift.

 

[Minamu]

It's an MMO from Crackdown devs, Realtime Worlds. It came out on PC back in 2010, but went F2P awhile ago.

Certainly doesn't look like a remaster.

Oh, I see, interesting. Thanks.

 

[gossi]

It's not just that it runs sub 20fps, it frequently freezes. Frame times are all over the place. To cut a long story short after 11 years of development the basics of the game do not work.