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Digital Foundry - Black Ops 2 and the 60fps Challenge

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I admit, it doesn't look that bad for 60 fps, but after you have played Killzone 3, Uncharted 3, Gears 3 or Crysis 2 it's really not acceptable anymore.

The (probably static) sky looks kinda cool actually, but OMG, these buildings. They look like GTA San Andreas.
 
Why are people shocked 880x720? It's a higher resolution than the previous console cods. If you cared about resolution, you'd have a PC already.

fluffydelusions said:
Black Ops on PC is terrible

How? It ran great a high resolutions and had dedicated servers.
 
880x720....lolwut

so not even 720p...cool?

PC version it is...

The first blops on pc ran like total ass for a long while , hopefully this doesnt suffer the same fate as i couldnt even play the game for 2-3 months without massive stuttering...

To be clear , i would prefer that res and 60fps over 30fps with 720p or any stuttering , so its not a horrible thing.
Consoles just arent powerful enough.

Reading that article i bet blops 2 on pc is a fuckin whore just like the first eating all resources...BAH.
 
How do the COD games look on SDTVs? I'd assume it scales down to your SD resolution rather than up to 720p, but are things like text sizes or UI scale still optimised for HDTVs?
 
CONSOLE STANDARDS? dude PS3 has Killzone 3 which came out in 2011, please compare this to Killzone, this looks utter shit for a console game coming out in 2012.

KZ3 had an awful frame rate. I'm sure Treyarch could get KZ3 and C2 visuals if they were willing to run the game at 18fps.
 
CONSOLE STANDARDS? dude PS3 has Killzone 3 which came out in 2011, please compare this to Killzone, this looks utter shit for a console game coming out in 2012.

Killzone 3 is below 30fps, and has 120ms of input lag. Forget graphics for a second how is that much input lag acceptable for a shooter? KZ2 was even worse.
 
KZ3 had an awful frame rate. I'm sure Treyarch could get KZ3 and C2 visuals if they were willing to run the game at 18fps.
You're exaggerating. Killzone was never under 20 fps. I would accept the shit graphics for MP, since 60 fps is very important there, but for SP they could at least go down to 40 or 50 fps and improve the graphics. I'm not a graphic whore, but from that I get eye cancer.


BO1 looked better than this.
+1. I don't see any improvements. DF is bullshitting.
 
I'm always really impressed at the enormous gulf in quality between PC and console CoD screenshots. Some of the PC ones don't even look like the same game.
 
For CoD I don't care about pretty graphics. If I want 20-30 FPS with eye candy I would play every other game on the market. CoD wins because it feels smooth at 60fps.
 
For CoD I don't care about pretty graphics. If I want 20-30 FPS with eye candy I would play every other game on the market. CoD wins because it feels smooth at 60fps.

The issue is that there are other 60fps games on consoles that look substantially better. The games are being held back by the engine that they use since there's no time between releases to switch over to a new one.
 
The issue is that there are other 60fps games on consoles that look substantially better. The games are being held back by the engine that they use since there's no time between releases to switch over to a new one.

What other fps looks better at 60fps?

There's really only Rage, which has a load of problems itself.
 
How? It ran great a high resolutions and had dedicated servers.

Framerate was crap on a lot of people's systems. The game runs at sub-30fps on my HD6850.

When it comes to stability across multiple plat forms, Infinity Ward remains the superior studio. That said, the fact that BO2 is gonna support DX11 suggests Treyarch is giving the PC version some extra attention.
 
What other fps looks better at 60fps?

What difference does it make if its an FPS? I'm sure if developers bothered to they can make a 60 FPS shooter than looks better than COD on consoles.

60fps Games that look better than COD

-Rachet and Clank (the 60fps ones on PS3)
-Wipeout HD
-God of War 3
-Forza series
-GT5
-Ninja Gaiden 2
-Virtua Fighter 5
-Soul Caliber
 
What difference does it make if its an FPS? I'm sure if developers bothered to they can make a 60 FPS shooter than looks better than COD on consoles.

60fps Games that look better than COD

-Rachet and Clank (the 60fps ones on PS3)
-Wipeout HD
-God of War 3
-Forza series
-GT5
-Ninja Gaiden 2
-Virtua Fighter 5
-Soul Caliber

I don't see how any of those games can be compared with CoD.
 
I'm pretty sure the majority of fighting games have tightly controlled performance environments and God of War has zero camera control (and doesn't actually hold 60 fps at all).

I don't recall the latest Ratchet being even close to locked at 60 and it ran sub HD, just like COD.
 
I'm pretty sure the majority of fighting games have tightly controlled performance environments and God of War has zero camera control (and doesn't actually hold 60 fps at all).

I don't recall the latest Ratchet being even close to locked at 60 and it ran sub HD, just like COD.

Also, Insomniac chose 30 fps for Resistance series and they still couldn't manage 720p for Resistance 3.

Making a 60fps first person shooter on consoles requires a lot of sacrifices.
 
RAGE shits on CoD. Dynamic resolution, though I don't know if it drops to CoD's resolution ever/often.
 
RAGE shits on CoD. Dynamic resolution, though I don't know if it drops to CoD's resolution ever/often.

Rage drops as low as 640x720. In addition it has streaming problems, ugly compression in dark areas, and almost everything is completely static.

What difference does it make if its an FPS? I'm sure if developers bothered to they can make a 60 FPS shooter than looks better than COD on consoles.

60fps Games that look better than COD

-Rachet and Clank (the 60fps ones on PS3)
-Wipeout HD
-God of War 3
-Forza series
-GT5
-Ninja Gaiden 2
-Virtua Fighter 5
-Soul Caliber

FPS demand much more close up detail than third person games and racing games, and have far bigger environments and entirely user controlled cameras, compared to fighting games and GOW.

And the constant explosions are demanding :p
 
Rage drops as low as 640x720. In addition it has streaming problems, ugly compression in dark areas, and almost everything is completely static.

Yikes, and it still looks better than CoD. Pretty big indictment of CoD.

I don't really see the point of talking about the PS3 versions though as the Treyarch PS3 CoDs are also disasters.
 
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