I think this just exposes the artificial hype train for what it was, the media almost went dead the second it was out of the door, while we'd been suffering TF stories every single day up until then. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it, and I hope to never see it again.
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Digital Foundry Face-Off: Titanfall on Xbox 360
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I think this just exposes the artificial hype train for what it was, the media almost went dead the second it was out of the door, while we'd been suffering TF stories every single day up until then. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it, and I hope to never see it again.
Is that what's causing that tearing? Well they should stop fucking wizards so there's no more tearing.
BronsonLee
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Compare it to the X1/PC versions.
They're wizards for even getting the damn thing to run on 360 in the state that it's in, tearing or no.
how do you figure that? The game isnt exactly a looker on the xbone or pc
BruiserBear
Banned
Because it's a poorly optimized game on XB1 and PC.
It's an amazing port that reinforces my belief that the game was originally planned for last-gen consoles.
The game is all there--this is Titanfall, on Xbox 360, and it plays exactly the same.
The simplified lighting model actually makes it easier for me to see what's going on. I noticed a difference from the get-go, and I can only assume it's the extra brightness.
I rock an unlocked frame rate for the faster controller response and the tearing isn't too bothersome as I'm too busy fighting for my life.
Amazing game, unexpectedly great version.
edit: Watching that first comparison video was eye-opening. Screen tearing is bad on both platforms, but the Xbox 360 version is virtually identical save for a lower dynamic color range and slightly less lighting and geometry (at a distance). (The texture streaming is the thing you notice most when you are playing, unless you are sensitive to tearing.) I really think it's amazing that the two games are so close.
The game is all there--this is Titanfall, on Xbox 360, and it plays exactly the same.
The simplified lighting model actually makes it easier for me to see what's going on. I noticed a difference from the get-go, and I can only assume it's the extra brightness.
I rock an unlocked frame rate for the faster controller response and the tearing isn't too bothersome as I'm too busy fighting for my life.
Amazing game, unexpectedly great version.
edit: Watching that first comparison video was eye-opening. Screen tearing is bad on both platforms, but the Xbox 360 version is virtually identical save for a lower dynamic color range and slightly less lighting and geometry (at a distance). (The texture streaming is the thing you notice most when you are playing, unless you are sensitive to tearing.) I really think it's amazing that the two games are so close.
BruiserBear
Banned
Media coverage tends to drop off after a game gets released. It will ramp back up when the first DLC is announced, just like it does with most other games.
People weaving their own conspiratorial realities around Titanfall has been something to watch.
Initial impressions were that they were pleasantly surprised by the port job and the fact that this game was running on 8 year old hardware. This article is a straight comparison to the game on XBO, so of course it will compare unfavorably in that type of comparison. Any game on 8 year old hardware SHOULD get torn apart in a direct comparison to new hardware.
But the fact that it's as close as it is to the same game on new hardware is still incredible.
Mugatu
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I personally think it looks pretty good considering how old the 360 is. Almost seems more "optimized" for the old system than the new one.
I'm apt to think this is more a reflection of how unambitious the game is on the XBO rather than anything else.
Chocolate & Vanilla
Fuck Strawberry
Not just America, but most economically advanced countries. There is often caveats though. In the UK for example, where fiscal year can end on any date but Payroll year is fixed as ending April 5th. This is so personal tax deductions/credit entitlements etc can be calculated by the government.
Edit - on topic, it seems the main difference with the 360 version is textures which is unsurprising really considering the hardware
Where? 360 version has massive screen tearing. Anyone saying they don't notice it -- because they're too busy playing -- are playing with their eyes closed. I'm trying to think of another 360/PS3 game with that much tearing.
Mugatu
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It does have tearing, but so does the XBO. Not as bad of course but the XBO version certainly does not look 8 years of progress better than the 360 one. At least to me.
But in comparison to brand new hardware also producing tearing on the same game, it's not like you can point to that as an indicator of poor optimization on the part of the 360 development team.
They offer a framelimit option to nearly eliminate it as well. Is the game so twitch that 40fps with tearing is going to allow you to get a significant jump against other people running 30fps versions?
I doubt it because the tearing is constant and is massive over the entire screen. That shit has to be disorienting players trying to aim.
I've been jackbooted in the face enough times by a player who was the tiniest, hair-splittingest fraction of a second faster than me that I went back to an unlocked refresh rate despite the tearing. The 30hz mode, while very smooth, also has a weightier feel to the controller that felt unsettling to me in such a fast-paced game.
So you haven't played it yourself, then. Gotcha.
DragonSworne
Banned
Crazy how close the 360 version looks to the X1 version. You really only see the difference when the game is running. The tearing makes it unplayable.
boredandlazy
Member
Edit: Nevermind...
CassidyIzABeast
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sketchsanchez
Member
Blazing Angels 2
Caayn
Member
Better textures, better drawing distance, higher FOV, better lighting, higher resolution.
To be fair neither version is really a graphical powerhouse.
Fast first person shooters have been played without vsync since the dawn of day. Sub 60 fps makes it more noticeable, but less than the input lag caused by vsync.
Astro Monster
Banned
The XONE shots have really crushed blacks. I don't like the look :/
TheMan
Member
far cry 3?
Wrong. This was actually originally a PS3/Xbox 360 title and then they dropped PS3 support, and then eventually moved on to next gen development for Xbox One and PC while Bluepoint finished the 360 version.
In fact, the only reason they used Source in the first place was to get good quality on the PS3 like Portal 2, but then they stopped Playstation development (I'm assuming when Microsoft got the exclusivity).
There was a good article on Polygon from when the game was shown at last E3.
The game was developed as a PS3 and Xbox 360 title by Respawn and then PS3 support was dropped and was still primarily Xbox 360 developed until at least 2012 when development shifted to Xbox One and PC, and Xbox 360 was handed off to be done externally, however Respawn said they were working closely to make sure that Bluepoint got what they needed to make the game good.
So I would imagine they didn't just shitcan all the time spent on their Xbox 360 version but built off of it for the Xbox One. Respawn is a smaller studio and time is also a factor.
Here is the Polygon article:
http://www.polygon.com/e3-2013/2013/6/12/4419110/titanfall-respawn
This makes sense. Upon completing a three-hour session the other day, I couldn't help but think this isn't a "port" at all. Compared to Xbone and PC, some visual compromises were made, but the graphics are surprisingly close for a console with 512MB of RAM, the game plays identically, and the essence of the experience is absolutely intact.
Birgitte2004
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They were saying the controls are smoother unlocked, not the visuals.
Nicktendo86
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Pretty much all xbone shots I've seen have really crushed blacks, it is really odd. Check out the console screenshots thread.
MisterXDTV
Member
The RGB Range setting on XONE is broken, so gamma is always wrong = crushed blacks
Dragonborn
Member
The fact that a port of the X1's biggest game on an 8 year old console is even remotely comparable to it on a brand new "next gen" machine just goes to show how poorly designed the X1 is. Either that or Respawn are completely incompetent, which I very much doubt. Funny how IW got ragged on constantly for Ghosts' issues (remember Infinity Faux) and Respawn got talked up as the real devs and whatnot. Yet now they get a free pass?
There were a couple of posters in a previous thread saying that the Xbox 360 version had a lower AI count. I played the Xbox 360 version for about four hours last night and that doesn't seem to be true at all.
Gameplay-wise, the Xbox 360 version is identical to the other two. The AI grunts and spectres are there in the same number, for better or for worse.
Gameplay-wise, the Xbox 360 version is identical to the other two. The AI grunts and spectres are there in the same number, for better or for worse.
This. They know how to get the job done.
t_wilson01
Member
Make up your mind. How can a game run "above 50fps almost all of the time" and still be "a poorly optimized game"?
Did you not look at the game's graphics and what it does? There is nothing Titanfall does that warrants the poor graphics with the poor performance to go with it. The excuses people will make for this game is astounding.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Companies can have different fiscal years.
I have this game for the 360 and it's fun, I was alarmed at the tearing in the video, I don't really notice it when I'm playing I guess it's too fast? Tearing in a game like New Vegas bothers me because it's a slower pace I guess.
BruiserBear
Banned
Because it runs poorly while not looking that great? It's really not that complicated.
Even good gaming PCs don't run the game flawlessly.
Xbox 360 Last Titan Standing Frame-Rate Test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LrpLJ2Wrj4&list=UU9PBzalIcEQCsiIkq36PyUA
For reference: Xbox One Last Titan Standing Frame-Rate Test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IuTillXFa8&list=UU9PBzalIcEQCsiIkq36PyUA
Looked pretty good tbh, but that's just me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LrpLJ2Wrj4&list=UU9PBzalIcEQCsiIkq36PyUA
For reference: Xbox One Last Titan Standing Frame-Rate Test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IuTillXFa8&list=UU9PBzalIcEQCsiIkq36PyUA
Looked pretty good tbh, but that's just me.
MisterXDTV
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I don't think Titanfall is a Next-gen game at all in the graphics department so the fact that there is not a big difference from an IQ stand-point doesn't surprise me.
What is really bad for XONE in this case (and I can't understand) is the performance of the game on a brand new console: 792p and not locked 60fps with tearing is really worrying for the future of this console. It shouldn't be a very demanding game for a next-gen console considering it was created to run on last gen hardware....
Youtube videos are locked to 30fps so you wouldn't be able to see a lot in those videos anyway
That's why the frame-rate counter is there doe.....
jufonuk
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maybe because it's a launch title but TBH the XBO version doesn't wow me compared to the 360.
there is no game ATM on the XBO that make me want to take the leap, but I am usually nowadays getting into newer systems a few years into the life cycle.
I am not intending to derail, just to my eyes, I don't see anything wrong with the 360 version.
it's not a massive leap like from the Wii to the 360. to my eyes at least, in fact I say it's rather tolerable.
there is no game ATM on the XBO that make me want to take the leap, but I am usually nowadays getting into newer systems a few years into the life cycle.
I am not intending to derail, just to my eyes, I don't see anything wrong with the 360 version.
it's not a massive leap like from the Wii to the 360. to my eyes at least, in fact I say it's rather tolerable.
Let's put it this way - If Titanfall launched on both XB1 and 360 on the same day, and was priced at $60/$30, respectively, I would still buy the XB1 version.
However, I wouldn't buy an XB1 just for one game. If there are other games that interest you other than Titanfall, the choice is simple.
I just don't understand how people could defend how ugly the game is on 360. Not only do we see a big resolution difference, but also lower quality textures, a washed out color palette, missing or completely changed lighting, a frame rate that fluctuates anywhere between 30-50 (it's still worse than XB1 since it stays in the lower range more often) that can dip even lower, a reduction in particles/explosions, reduced grunts/AI soldiers in LTS mode, and the worst screen tearing I've ever seen. Having to lock the frame rate at 30hz (lol) just to reduce the horrific tearing, but not fully eliminating it, is not the way Titanfall should be played, and definitely not on par with the XB1 version. Stop being crazy, people.
However, I wouldn't buy an XB1 just for one game. If there are other games that interest you other than Titanfall, the choice is simple.
I just don't understand how people could defend how ugly the game is on 360. Not only do we see a big resolution difference, but also lower quality textures, a washed out color palette, missing or completely changed lighting, a frame rate that fluctuates anywhere between 30-50 (it's still worse than XB1 since it stays in the lower range more often) that can dip even lower, a reduction in particles/explosions, reduced grunts/AI soldiers in LTS mode, and the worst screen tearing I've ever seen. Having to lock the frame rate at 30hz (lol) just to reduce the horrific tearing, but not fully eliminating it, is not the way Titanfall should be played, and definitely not on par with the XB1 version. Stop being crazy, people.
Yeah, that's ridiculous fucking hyperbole. ~50fps average would be better to lock at 30? Crazy town.
Who's giving them a free pass, though? It's pretty much universally accepted that the both the XB1/PC version are poorly optimized. Respawn duct taped so much shit to the Source engine that it feels like it's about to fall apart.
I will say that I'm far more forgiving with Titanfall's technical issues due to it actually being a good game, unlike Ghosts, though.
Objectively Bad Opinion
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Does triple buffering not work on the Bone/360?
