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[JareBear: Remastered]

The DF crew crew provides analysis of the impressive Gears 5 tech demo running on XsX



(Updating as I watch)

- XsX has 60fps cutscenes (up from 30fps on previous consoles)
- Demo was rushed together in 2 weeks, not highly optimized yet
- XsX version using Ultra HD textures
- loads in 13 seconds, down from 32 seconds on One X
- XsX draw distance pushed way further, matching PC Ultra setting. Less pop in. Draw distance detail increased
- Added screen space shadows
- SSR expanded out, evenly used across environment
- Improved volumetric fog/lighting
- Screen space global illumination added in XsX version
- Areas that were overly bright are now more naturally shaded
- Running the benchmark utility on the XsX (4k resolution) is comparable to a RTX 2080 with Threadripper 2950x
- If they add in mesh-shading and VRS it could run even faster
- They are aiming to update multiplayer to run at 120fps on XsX


Thank you D dark10x and crew for the stellar coverage

 

[Birdo]

The differences only seem to be noticable when they pause and zoom in.

Maybe my expectations are too high, but I don't find this as impressive as they do.

 

[Dural]

The differences only seem to be noticable when they pause and zoom in.

Maybe my expectations are too high, but I don't find this as impressive as they do.

It's impressive because of how expensive it is on PC, however, yeah not that big of a difference in reality.

 

[JLB]

The differences only seem to be noticable when they pause and zoom in.

Maybe my expectations are too high, but I don't find this as impressive as they do.

This is just an Xbox One game quickly ported to Series X.

 

[Shin]

That's quite awesome, switching immediately from 60FPS cutscene to gameplay.
Before with the 30 FPS cutscene it would load because it's switching from 30FPS to 60FPS gameplay.

 

[nowhat]

The differences only seem to be noticable when they pause and zoom in.

I mean, and with all due respect to DF - hasn't that been the case since like, pretty much all of this gen at the very least?

But looks like a solid upgrade, no arguments there.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

The differences only seem to be noticable when they pause and zoom in.

Maybe my expectations are too high, but I don't find this as impressive as they do.

This took 2 weeks, that's the impressive part. To get this out of the console in two weeks, without proper tuning. That's pretty nice

 

[Shin]

This took 2 weeks, that's the impressive part. To get this out of the console in two weeks, without proper tuning. That's pretty nice

One of the best part of the video (timestamped):
Impressive for a quick and dirty effort of an already shipped game without making much usage of Series X.

 

[Entroyp]

For a 2 week port that runs equally to a PC with a threadripper CPU and an RTX 2080 this is mighty impressive. Imagine Gears 6 built for the XsX from scratch

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Man it looks fantastic on the XsX, watching the video a third time on a 1440p monitor, with 1440p/60 YouTube setting, and the differences seem pretty clear to me

 

[policestationx]

Awesome and impressive

 

[Stuart360]

120fps multiplayer, damn. Not something i need but for people with high refresh tv's, nice.

 

[Filippos]

13 seconds loading time? Too much! Give me lower res and lower FPS and instead 8 seconds loading time.
Thank you.

 

[Neur4lN01s3]

well, they are getting G5 running with higher specs than pc ultra at 4K 100fps with no effort

 

[Stuart360]

13 seconds loading time? Too much! Give me lower res and lower FPS and instead 8 seconds loading time.
Thank you.

Why the hell did Microsoft chase a more powerful gpu, faster ram, and a faster cpu, when they could of given us a faster SSD and saved me a few extra seconds!. Dont Microsoft realize that no one has any time now in the current world, i could do so much with those extra few seconds!.

 

[Evilms]

Does the X-series use a dynamic resolution scale in the campaign shown ?

 

[Neur4lN01s3]

Does the X-series use a dynamic resolution scale in the campaign shown ?

no, XSX is 4K native internally. XSX can't render lower resolutions, only 4K or 8K

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

no, XSX is 4K native internally. XSX can't render lower resolutions, only 4K or 8K

The console literally cannot output lower than 4k resolution no matter what ?

 

[Neur4lN01s3]

They console literally cannot output lower than 4k resolution no matter what ?

don't know why, one of the key differences is PS5 is "4k Supported", XSX is "4K Native". I believe there is not an hardware bound, but Microsoft that sets 4K as mandatory

 

[Real_Agent_K]

no, XSX is 4K native internally. XSX can't render lower resolutions, only 4K or 8K

I don't think that's correct. Why wouldn't it be able to display lower resolutions if it needed to or wanted to?

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I don't think that's correct. Why wouldn't it be able to display lower resolutions if it needed to or wanted to?

Yeah, that can't be correct

 

[LittleBusters]

120fps multiplayer, damn. Not something i need but for people with high refresh tv's, nice.

I have a 4K/120hz television, can't wait to try games that will support that.

 

[sircaw]

13 second load time, i am surprised at that, for some reason i was thinking 2 or 3 seconds.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I have a 4K/120hz television, can't wait to try games that will support that.

me too

could be a game changer for console gamers

gaming at 144fps on PC is sublime in games like Overwatch

 

[LittleBusters]

13 second load time, i am surprised at that, for some reason i was thinking 2 or 3 seconds.

Not optimized yet, I will assume that loading time will go down to 6-7 seconds.

 

[GHG]

120fps multiplayer, damn. Not something i need but for people with high refresh tv's, nice.

No, you need it, you just don't know it yet.

Once you sample the high refresh rate promised land there's no going back.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

13 second load time, i am surprised at that, for some reason i was thinking 2 or 3 seconds.

I’m thinking this will improve with more optimization

 

[Real_Agent_K]

13 second load time, i am surprised at that, for some reason i was thinking 2 or 3 seconds.

That's just the raw Xbox One code version running on an SX without any optimization for the SSD. Just the power of the new console alone shave about 20 seconds from the load time, and this port was done in just two weeks and is now running on ultra level textures which would probably impact the load times with or without the SSD.

Imagine it being built for the SSD from the ground up. You probably would be seeing times in the 3-6 second range.

 

[Matsuchezz]

But I though the XsX could do these "upgrades" on the fly without anyone touching the code. So in reality, they do need to touch the games to get improvements on them. Or this is the smart Delivery then, where the new assests and configurations are downloaded to the XsX. I am not sure, but I guess the disc in the XsX drive will authenticate the license "thingy" and download the XsX enhanced version.

The game looks good, but i find really odd that the character is being hit by those white enemies, and he does not get any reaction, is that normal in the final game?

 

[Gamernyc78]

The DF crew crew provides analysis of the impressive Gears 5 tech demo running on XsX



(Updating as I watch)

- XsX has 60fps cutscenes (up from 30fps on previous consoles)
- Demo was rushed together in 2 weeks, not highly optimized yet
- XsX version using Ultra HD textures
- loads in 13 seconds, down from 32 seconds on One X
- XsX draw distance pushed way further, matching PC Ultra setting. Less pop in. Draw distance detail increased
- Added screen space shadows
- SSR expanded out, evenly used across environment
- Improved volumetric fog/lighting
- Screen space global illumination added in XsX version
- Areas that were overly bright are now more naturally shaded
- Running the benchmark utility on the XsX (4k resolution) is comparable to a RTX 2080 with Threadripper 2950x
- If they add in mesh-shading and VRS it could run even faster
- They are aiming to update multiplayer to run at 120fps on XsX


Thank you D dark10x and crew for the stellar coverage

Stuff like this might push me to get nextbox. This breaks down is very helpful.. Like what I'm hearing and mp at 120 niceee

 

[Real_Agent_K]

But I though the XsX could do these "upgrades" on the fly without anyone touching the code. So in reality, they do need to touch the games to get improvements on them. Or this is the smart Delivery then, where the new assests and configurations are downloaded to the XsX. I am not sure, but I guess the disc in the XsX drive will authenticate the license "thingy" and download the XsX enhanced version.

For BC games, the upgrades are pretty much automatic at least to a point where the developer doesn't need to touch the game for it to work better. For Xbox One games i'm not so sure because the things they added must be done manually as far as i know. I'm sure the resolution and framerates can be done just by playing on better specs so the game matches them, but for adding entire new graphic features i think would need to be done by patch, or built with an XB1 & SX version from the get go.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Stuff like this might push me to get nextbox. This breaks down is very helpful.. Like what I'm hearing and mp at 120 niceee

Yeah it’s just the tip of the iceberg hopefully

Hoping we get some PS5 gameplay soon too

 

[ZywyPL]

Gears 5 is the new playground for MS just as Forza 6 was back when they were developing X1X. They will keep throwing everything they can into the game to see where the console's maximum limits are, measure everything they can, and design their next-gen titles based on that data. And just as with those Forza experiments back then, the initial, should I say rushed results are very optimistic.

 

[thelastword]

The DF crew crew provides analysis of the impressive Gears 5 tech demo running on XsX



(Updating as I watch)

- XsX has 60fps cutscenes (up from 30fps on previous consoles)
- Demo was rushed together in 2 weeks, not highly optimized yet
- XsX version using Ultra HD textures
- loads in 13 seconds, down from 32 seconds on One X
- XsX draw distance pushed way further, matching PC Ultra setting. Less pop in. Draw distance detail increased
- Added screen space shadows
- SSR expanded out, evenly used across environment
- Improved volumetric fog/lighting
- Screen space global illumination added in XsX version
- Areas that were overly bright are now more naturally shaded
- Running the benchmark utility on the XsX (4k resolution) is comparable to a RTX 2080 with Threadripper 2950x
- If they add in mesh-shading and VRS it could run even faster
- They are aiming to update multiplayer to run at 120fps on XsX


Thank you D dark10x and crew for the stellar coverage

I was telling folk we will see 120FPS games, especially indies, AA games, multiplayer games like COD, QUAKE ARENA etc.....I'm happy to see you have this as the biggest font in your breakdown......There was so much pessimism about it before...

 

[existensmaximum]

For a 2 week port that runs equally to a PC with a threadripper CPU and an RTX 2080 this is mighty impressive. Imagine Gears 6 built for the XsX from scratch

Yeah it will be insane

I just hope they will put waaaay more effort into the animation and faces this time.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I was telling folk we will see 120FPS games, especially indies, AA games, multiplayer games like COD, QUAKE ARENA etc.....I'm happy to see you have this as the biggest font in your breakdown......There was so much pessimism about it before...

Yeah 120 fps mp games alone is worth price of entry imo. Buttery smooth.

 

[Endless Fluff]

This is how "remasters" should be handled with next gen. Have 2-3 people patch in PC ultra settings (or push even further) for 1-2 weeks and be done with it, no need to go wild with any optimization issues or whatnot.
If people don't want to patch their games to add another performance profile, let the console handle resolution and framerate improvements by injecting/overwriting code.

I hope Playground Games will do the same for Forza Horizon, would love to see that game with less foliage pop-in and 4K/60.

I'm seriously considering getting this console instead of a new GPU next year.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

This is how "remasters" should be handled with next gen. Have 2-3 people patch in PC ultra settings (or push even further) for 1-2 weeks and be done with it, no need to go wild with any optimization issues or whatnot.
If people don't want to patch their games to add another performance profile, let the console handle resolution and framerate improvements by injecting/overwriting code.

I hope Playground Games will do the same for Forza Horizon, would love to see that game with less foliage pop-in and 4K/60.

I'm seriously considering getting this console instead of a new GPU next year.

I’m salivating thinking of Forza Horizon series on XsX

 

[Connxtion]

13 second load time, i am surprised at that, for some reason i was thinking 2 or 3 seconds.

XB1 game so isn’t using the DirectStorage API.

 

[INC]

So what, ps5 has 12k 144fps line rider demo.

 

[Filippos]

I was telling folk we will see 120FPS games, especially indies, AA games, multiplayer games like COD, QUAKE ARENA etc.....I'm happy to see you have this as the biggest font in your breakdown......There was so much pessimism about it before...

fuck I bought OLED last year. you need a new HDMI 2.1 TV for that. bummer

 

[Hayabusabruh]

Didn't watch yet, but did they put motion blur back? That was one thing that made it look a lot worse than the reveal trailer

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

Isn't the XsX even more like a PC? (Seems like consoles are blurring the line more and more each gen.) So, why use the XB1 code and not the PC code which already has the unlocked frames, support for higher res, assets, etc.?

 

[sdrawkcab]

Isn't the XsX even more like a PC? (Seems like consoles are blurring the line more and more each gen.) So, why use the XB1 code and not the PC code which already has the unlocked frames, support for higher res, assets, etc.?

I think this was done solely to demonstrate how easy it is to port from Xbox One to Series X. Two weeks, with little to no optimizations and that kind of performance isn't bad at all.

 

[thelastword]

fuck I bought OLED last year. you need a new HDMI 2.1 TV for that. bummer

You can always sell the OLED now if you want that feature...…..There should be lots of 4k 120fps and 8K Tv's on the market by November.

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

I think this was done solely to demonstrate how easy it is to port from Xbox One to Series X. Two weeks, with little to no optimizations and that kind of performance isn't bad at all.

Ahh, okay.

 

[Silent Viper]

The differences only seem to be noticable when they pause and zoom in.

Maybe my expectations are too high, but I don't find this as impressive as they do.

It's a port of Xbox one done in 2 weeks. Plus you watching on YouTube.

 

[njean777]

So this is why Operation 3 was delayed.... come on TC fix your damn game.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

fuck I bought OLED last year. you need a new HDMI 2.1 TV for that. bummer

What TV did you buy?

 

[Filippos]

What TV did you buy?

LG W8. This super thin thing, but it Doesn’t have hdmi 2.1, you need the 9 series from LG. :/ although it has a 120hz panel, but this online works with integrated apps and USB.
not HDMI.