It will most likely be noticeable, but then again it's not supposed to happen a lot in campaign, and I assume it won't happen at all in Arena. Warzone will probably be where it will be a common occurrence.
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It will most likely be noticeable, but then again it's not supposed to happen a lot in campaign, and I assume it won't happen at all in Arena. Warzone will probably be where it will be a common occurrence.
Samurai G0SU
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Would be interesting if ms put an update out for their internal upscaler that 343i helped with for halo 5. Or maybe i hav no idea what im talking about lol and just thinking too much into how good they want h5 to look on any 1080p screen.
I think they did an update for titanfall right? Even updated the controllers.
funkystudent
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Looks like Halo 4 but on higher settings.
The 60fps though is worth the compromise. Halo's art style can carry the game well enough without going nuts on graphics.
The 60fps though is worth the compromise. Halo's art style can carry the game well enough without going nuts on graphics.
please show me a last gen game that looks as good as that at a locked 60fps.
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johnnydrama
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Yup. The hyperbole in this thread is crazy. Gamecube graphics, last gen, uninspired design.
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If you want to understand anything, definitely. It won't impact the gameplay, however.
Looks graphically close to a 360 game at 60fps It's a fair Assessment Imo.
Riiiiiight...
Lol...."respect for performance over eye candy but that eye candy tho..."
There was nothing wrong with 30fps Halo, nothing.
Those citing the 360...damn. I invite you all to download the E3 demo from gamersyde. Compared to other games however, it's clear the jump is not as big.
TheOhrenberger.
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All these passive aggressive statements about the graphics. Haha!
You guys are sad. And blind. But mostly sad.
Also it's hilarious to see people say that this game should have been 30fps. Fuck off. You're the type of people who will play the game for a week and then move on to the next flavor of the month. Real Halo fans want 60fps over all else. Good on 343 for listening to the real fan base. Anyone who will play this game for more than a week will prefer the 60fps over some extra graphical flourishes.
You guys are sad. And blind. But mostly sad.
Also it's hilarious to see people say that this game should have been 30fps. Fuck off. You're the type of people who will play the game for a week and then move on to the next flavor of the month. Real Halo fans want 60fps over all else. Good on 343 for listening to the real fan base. Anyone who will play this game for more than a week will prefer the 60fps over some extra graphical flourishes.
There's gonna be a lot of people to tell you otherwise
Completely disagree (and a fairer comparison would probably be Halo 5 vs. Halo 3).
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It was an action game that wasn't 60 FPS. 30 FPS was fine but 60 is obviously better for this type of game.
I don't understand this line of thinking when the same "nothing wrong" statement could be used for these current gen consoles as a whole (in comparison to their predecessors). "Why upgrade? There's nothing wrong with the PS3 and 360!"
Ohh sure. I can tell you the cries for better graphics will overwhelming supplant any 60fps outcry if there ever was one of significant push. Halo fans will naturally at the end of the day jump ship with the developers vision. It's not like they have choice. Attach rates for Halo on Xbox pretty much tell the tale of their love for the franchise. The point is however, 30fps shooters run fine and play fine and we have plenty of examples to pick and chose, this gen, last gen (Halo et al) etc... There are trade-offs.
I feel a large part of CoD being such a goliath is due to the last gen push to 60fps even if the games had to make a lot of visual concessions for it. People notice the impact it has on the actual gameplay.
rokkerkory
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By higher settings you mean double the fps and higher IQ?
And there are many solid 60 FPS shooters that were under 1080p to choose from too so I still don't understand your point.
You would rather have graphics over framerate and that's fine but no one is "wrong" for preferring the vice versa.
Where did I say people are wrong? You're making assumptions. I'm merely saying and it's pretty evident in this thread, people care A LOT about graphics and the trade-offs made last gen and the ones currently made this gen are favorably rewarded. I just quoted a person who praised the idea of performance over eye candy and in the same breath took a diss at the eye candy of the game. You see the point. Not to mention the hyperbolic comments made dissing the graphics, (nothing new in a Halo 5 thread) which although "hyperbolic" in nature, they do represent a sentiment.
TheOhrenberger.
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Halo is objectively better at 60fps.
SmartWaffles
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Halo fans spoke with the online population of Halo 4 that we don't blindly follow a "vision", but 60fps is objectively a thing Halo fans adore. It is objectively better than 30fps for Halo. It might be fine for other shooters but right not it is no longer fine for Halo.
That would imply there is no trade-off involved between 30fps and 60fps. But there is. So umm...depends on what folks prefer and how the trade-off is manifested.
Is that so? What do you do when you purchase the game? The developer vision is manifested in the product - which consumers buy. Once you do that you buy into that vision and you can later disagree with it. If you keep on buying you generally support the vision. At least majority of it. For example, when I stop following a developers vision I drop the franchise, like I did with COD, Assassins Creed etc...
johnnydrama
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The most successful first person shooter franchise is 60FPS. That tells you a lot.
TheOhrenberger.
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the trade-off would be graphics. If Halo 5 had better graphics it wouldn't be an objectively better game. A better framerate makes it a better game. And it's not like Halo 5's graphics are bad either. You'd have to be blind to think that.
As I said earlier, if you would seriously rather better visuals than a higher frame rate then you're probably the kind of person who won't be playing this game for more than a week. Good riddance, and good thing 343 didn't listen to you.
This part is true in a general way.
I think he's referring to more open level design.is it?
TheAdmiester
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GAF, where any 60fps game on the Xbox One apparently looks last-gen.
Gotta have SOME counter to every positive, right?
Gotta have SOME counter to every positive, right?
Halo is objectively better at 60 fps because of the input lag. Shooters and racers benefit wrt decreasing input lag.
Not to mention more frames = more detail for your eyes to register and brain to process and fingers to act upon.
I, like some other people have said, am really happy that it runs so well at an essentially locked 60.
Smoother framerate is more important to me, and I'd much prefer dialed back resolution or graphical settings than a lesser framerate.
That said, I have no problem with 30 fps games either and enjoy those too when they perform well, I just like how games feel at 60 much, much more.
Is that why they're playing with buttonless gamecube controllers?
Smoother framerate is more important to me, and I'd much prefer dialed back resolution or graphical settings than a lesser framerate.
That said, I have no problem with 30 fps games either and enjoy those too when they perform well, I just like how games feel at 60 much, much more.
Is that why they're playing with buttonless gamecube controllers?
It was doing so well
I think I will still wait for the second week to see if any multiplayer bugs show their head before I get it. However, it looks fantastic and I want to rub it all over my body. Great job 343.
I can't wait to play the coop campaign with one of my new coworkers who is buying an xbone just for this game. I haven't been this excited for a halo game since Reach, my personal favorite.
I can't wait to play the coop campaign with one of my new coworkers who is buying an xbone just for this game. I haven't been this excited for a halo game since Reach, my personal favorite.
Are graphics the only destination for resources that go towards 60fps vs. 30fps? Not physics, animation, AI (complexity, + number of NPC), better LOD, DOF, particle effects, textures, weather simulation, streaming, bigger, more expansive areas etc etc etc....???
They just go to "graphics" apparently... a very black and white perspective.
So #1 the idea that "graphics" is the only place resources are spent is wrong and it throws the argument to dust. I think this sentiment stems from PC gaming, where graphics features can be scaled with better rigs compared to the recommended minimum spec. As opposed to closed systems (single non-upgradeable platform) where a developer makes trade-offs.
And #2 when has visual feedback, (visual realism, and its pleasantry, or art style for that matter) not determined how good a game is to an individual? This becomes even more pertinent as tech/hardware advance and realistic/believable performances of game characters become more important.
"Uncharted 4 will be an objectively better game at 1080p, 30fps than at whatever comprise for 60fps." That's an opinion. An opinion that values whatever trade-offs are being made will result in a better experience overall.
Just like there is the opinion that 60fps with the trade-offs will make Uncharted 4 a better experience overall.
Point being that as long as there are trade-offs, in a closed system, there will be differing opinions on what will ultimately make the game great.
As for the other nonsense...sure you seem a bit heated....
lol this is just silly. A person can have different preferences than you when it comes to gaming. Doesn't mean you're more of a fan than that person. That last bit in your post was entirely unnecessary, and makes no sense whatsoever.
Good riddance? lol overreaction much?
looks like a halo game
same weapons (mostly) same level type designs
graphics looks the same, just 'next gen' (I probably mean art style, which I'm not in love with)
People that say it looks like a 360 game, obviously have not played a 360 game recently
They sacrificed a lot for 60fps
It will make the 'hardcore' happy, but what about the casuals that the game is really aimed at, you know, to bring halo back from the dead (popularity wise)
We will find out in less than a month, millions will be sold (it's halo of course)
I'm keeping my distance, not because of graphics, 60fps (nothing wrong with 30 fps Halo either....the sudden shift to "hardcore halo fans love 60fps rawwwr" is funny though)
But mostly because I feel like if I were to play it with out reading the books, I just won't 'get it' as someone who read the books, see things and are like "this is awesome"
I want to be as excited as some people are for blue team, but I'm not cause I didn't read the books, I just know they are john's child hood friends, who I did not play with at all in the last 5 halo games....... I know Buck...but that's about it. Reading is in order, and I think that is more important than any 60fps vs 30fps
With that said.....30 fps, nicer graphics, keeping split screen would have been my choice...people will flip out over that as if they were playing halo at 60fps for the last 10 years, and tournaments were run at 30 fps for years...
because it was never about the FPS, it was about Halo being an old school shooter that didn't evolve with the rest of the modern shooters.
same weapons (mostly) same level type designs
graphics looks the same, just 'next gen' (I probably mean art style, which I'm not in love with)
People that say it looks like a 360 game, obviously have not played a 360 game recently
They sacrificed a lot for 60fps
It will make the 'hardcore' happy, but what about the casuals that the game is really aimed at, you know, to bring halo back from the dead (popularity wise)
We will find out in less than a month, millions will be sold (it's halo of course)
I'm keeping my distance, not because of graphics, 60fps (nothing wrong with 30 fps Halo either....the sudden shift to "hardcore halo fans love 60fps rawwwr" is funny though)
But mostly because I feel like if I were to play it with out reading the books, I just won't 'get it' as someone who read the books, see things and are like "this is awesome"
I want to be as excited as some people are for blue team, but I'm not cause I didn't read the books, I just know they are john's child hood friends, who I did not play with at all in the last 5 halo games....... I know Buck...but that's about it. Reading is in order, and I think that is more important than any 60fps vs 30fps
With that said.....30 fps, nicer graphics, keeping split screen would have been my choice...people will flip out over that as if they were playing halo at 60fps for the last 10 years, and tournaments were run at 30 fps for years...
because it was never about the FPS, it was about Halo being an old school shooter that didn't evolve with the rest of the modern shooters.
TheVampire
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I kinda expected next-gen Halo to look like Killzone 2
Samurai G0SU
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Well there goes the positive train. Lol i was holding onto hope for too long. Haha
Surprised it took 4 pages though. You're slipping gaf!
About 90% of this seems so out of place in this thread. Are you the dude who would laugh at halo fans of the game didn't work as well?
Same guy, yeah. Why do Halo threads get so many driveby posts?
Anyway, 60 FPS is great. I don't expect the res to drop significantly outside of Warzone or heavy vehicle action in the campaign. I bet most infantry encounters are going to be 1080p.
LegalEagleMike
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its the night shift
TheOhrenberger.
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Nah fuck that I'm right. At the end of the day those of use who will be playing the game for a long period of time will prefer the 60fps. Say what you will, but I'm right. If you would rather decrease the framerate and make the game less fluid and responsive as a result then you would rather an objectively worse playing game in order to have some extra visual fidelity.
It's not an opinion to say that a game is better when it is more fluid and responsive. It's just a fact. I don't care about these people wishing for better visual fidelity at the cost of fluidity and responsiveness though. I know they'll all be gone after the first week whether or not they get their wishes. New flavor of the month types they are. It's not a silly overreaction on my part, it's just the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts. And when people actively wish for an objectively worse experience in a game series I enjoy I will call them out.
And that whole argument that Halo has been at 30fps for years is irreverent. It's still better at 60fps. Every single Halo game (except reach) is available at 60fps in the MCC and they are all better games at 60fps. Just because we've had 30fps in the past does not mean we should settle for mediocrity when an objectively better frame rate is possible on this gen.
0ptimusPayne
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While the art style may seem alot more "sterile" there is no fucking denying that the game looks great for a Halo title, and 60FPS is everything. I played the beta, and the MCC..I don't want to go back to 30FPS halo..Hyped for next month!
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