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Digital Foundry: Resident Evil Zero Comparison (GameCube Vs PS4 HD Remaster)
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Crimsonclaw111
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Remake was not 60fps on consoles. It was the same bitching in the thread about the release last year.
Japan always goes overboard when they shop pictures.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
That pic has been photoshopped to hell and back!
RedAssedApe
Banned
which makes it worse. this remaster sounded like it was much easier to do.
Lol no, it was 30 on consoles.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
Even the original HD Remaster dropped to as low as 23fps on PS4.
Maybe the engine or emulation process are a lot more taxing then we know?
Maybe the engine or emulation process are a lot more taxing then we know?
Jessie.Bristol
Member
I will definitely be playing this in 4:3 Aspect Ratio, as I do not like the Pan & Scan. Too much of the screen is cut out at any given time.
.:Wesker:.
Member
Wow, someone really messed up the levels on those pre-rendered cutscenes between the GC release and now. A ton of banding and a lack of blacks.
poodaddy
Member
That's a plausible scenario, but then one has to wonder why PC's with comparable GPUs and CPUs to a PS4 can max the game fairly easily with 60fps. The games not taxing on PC, even for potato PC's. I dunno man, it'd take someone smarter than me to figure it out.
mugurumakensei
Member
Does it really run at 60fps on Atom CPUs? That's highly questionable.
I wouldn't be surprised if they already had exchanged half of their population with their secret robot tech.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
A lot of games don't need 60fps. But it's certainly nice and this is a comparison topic.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Maybe Capcom wants parity with the PS3 version. Especially when you consider the Japanese audience the PS3 will likely be the lead SKU. They don't want it to be too severely gimped.
BONKERS
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http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/131582/picture:1
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=131584
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=131586
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=131587
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=131588
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=131585
They did a poor job comparing without understanding what they actually did to this game.
They mentioned something to the effect of complaining about there not being new 3D assets to replace Pre-rendered ones like with REmakeHD.
This isn't a simple upscale of the pre-rendered backgrounds like REmake HD.
They went back and actually re-rendered all of these in true high resolution.
Meaning they didn't have to replace poorly compressed MotionJPEG elements with arguably inferior simplistic 3D models.
Just looking at the bits showing the Inventory you can see the models there have been upgraded. And i'm sure the 3D models that are in the game placed in the pre-rendered backgrounds will be upgraded.
This is how these kinds of games SHOULD be preserved. With their pre-rendered elements redrawn in real High Resolution. Not just upscaled.
They are preserved in 4:3 just as they were originally and you can still play it that way.
The game renders at 1920x1440 rather than 1440x1080 (They are both 4:3) because that gives them the extra resolution room to use the Pan&Scan method and still get a true native 1920x1080.
When you play the game at 4:3 you are actually getting an extra 691,200 pixels worth of information.
30FPS/60FPS I couldn't tell you, but for a game like this where it's 99% static camera angles, it's not a huge deal. Though it does make you wonder why they didn't just run it at 60FPS.
As for the character models, they are clearly more in line with the CG cutscene models (http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1179/11799911/2880106-re0.jpg) and look better IMO, the old models looked dull due to the hardware shading used. I'm sure someone will mod in the old models or something.
If anyone calls themselves a fan of ClassicEvil and doesn't buy a release like this with a huge amount of effort to do it right to speak with their wallet and show Capcom the kind of RE games they want to see and to show it's worthwhile to put effort into preserving these old pre-rendered games. Then you've lost me man.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=131584
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=131586
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=131587
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=131588
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=131585
They did a poor job comparing without understanding what they actually did to this game.
They mentioned something to the effect of complaining about there not being new 3D assets to replace Pre-rendered ones like with REmakeHD.
This isn't a simple upscale of the pre-rendered backgrounds like REmake HD.
They went back and actually re-rendered all of these in true high resolution.
Meaning they didn't have to replace poorly compressed MotionJPEG elements with arguably inferior simplistic 3D models.
Just looking at the bits showing the Inventory you can see the models there have been upgraded. And i'm sure the 3D models that are in the game placed in the pre-rendered backgrounds will be upgraded.
This is how these kinds of games SHOULD be preserved. With their pre-rendered elements redrawn in real High Resolution. Not just upscaled.
They are preserved in 4:3 just as they were originally and you can still play it that way.
The game renders at 1920x1440 rather than 1440x1080 (They are both 4:3) because that gives them the extra resolution room to use the Pan&Scan method and still get a true native 1920x1080.
When you play the game at 4:3 you are actually getting an extra 691,200 pixels worth of information.
30FPS/60FPS I couldn't tell you, but for a game like this where it's 99% static camera angles, it's not a huge deal. Though it does make you wonder why they didn't just run it at 60FPS.
As for the character models, they are clearly more in line with the CG cutscene models (http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1179/11799911/2880106-re0.jpg) and look better IMO, the old models looked dull due to the hardware shading used. I'm sure someone will mod in the old models or something.
If anyone calls themselves a fan of ClassicEvil and doesn't buy a release like this with a huge amount of effort to do it right to speak with their wallet and show Capcom the kind of RE games they want to see and to show it's worthwhile to put effort into preserving these old pre-rendered games. Then you've lost me man.
Fancy Clown
Member
Tempted to buy physicals and spend an extra $20 just so I can get REmake on disc
Drilbit777
Member
The environments look great but I really don't like how the faces turned out, something about Rebecca just looks off.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
NXGamer has been doing a much better job than digital foundry as of late in actually explaining why certain games look and run they do. Instead of just mentioning the results. It's a shame he doesn't get content from publishers to post up his videos as early as DF, but when possible it's best to check out his work.
In anycase, I played REmaster via 4:3 because the zooming in on the backgrounds for 16:9 had a loss of detail.
It's great this won't be a problem for RE0. I'll be playing it 16:9 on PS4 this time around.
How About No
Member
Holyshit all the added detail 0____0
Movalpolos
Banned
Well the faces will look the same on every platform. Not like they made new models for each.
This really does excite me, but it also bums me the fuck out knowing that Capcom couldn't/didn't do it for REmake. Those re-renders look so great, and imagining REmake like that is a thing of beauty.
The PC will more than likely be able to mod the original Rebecca or an alternate updated model considering people have already been modding REmake.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
LOL at people saying the remaster is just a version of the game running on Dolphin.
But I guess that's my fault for reading youtube comments of a digital foundry video.
But I guess that's my fault for reading youtube comments of a digital foundry video.
God damn anyone looks even better in REmake.
That said they dropped the ball on all of the facial models in this remaster.
iconoclast
Member
Seems like Capcom did an excellent job this time, but I like the original faces more.
flipswitch
Member
Noob question incoming.
What's the difference between resident evil and resident evil zero? I mean, they're two different games right?
What's the difference between resident evil and resident evil zero? I mean, they're two different games right?
ss_lemonade
Member
Yup, it's a prequel, story happens before RE 1. I believe it was also originally an n64 game
spawnsniper
Member
I thought it kind of happens around the same time? For example..
dont u get to go to the mansion as Rebecca when ur about to fight the snake in remake? Or something like that..
Could be wrong, haven't played zero in quite some time
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Everything takes place a day before RE1.
ResidentDante
Member
Thanks for the insight. I was gonna say it does not look like the simple upgrade they did with REmake, where they had to work with low resolution backdrops. These looks super sharp and re-rendered. Great comparison shots you linked, thanks!
Crossing Eden
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The facial animation seems to have taken a hit because of the newer models.
Tomb Raider Def. Edition syndrome.
ResidentDante
Member
chromatic9
Member
Never said they would. Just in case it's not clear, PS4 implies the new versions to the old ones ala the article in question.
Crossing Eden
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While the new Lara model looks a lot better technically it's less expressive than the one in the original. Because of this it's a bit uncanny. It seems to be a similar situation with new Rebecca, hence the reference to TRDE.Def. Ed >>>>>>> TR2013
Nobody wants sad faced asian Lara.
Somehow I don't see a mod like that happening
Infinite inventory slots, maybe? But I definitely don't think chests will be modded in.
In fact, I'd be very surprised if a game play mod ever released.
They screwed up the animation rigging on her DE face so badly that it looks terrible in cutscenes. Rebecca's not as bad though, mostly because the faces didn't emote that well to begin with.
I think it's because they lost the original background data, right? I remember reading that somewhere. It makes sense with how badly upres'd some locations were.
New Rebecca look more like pseudo Japanese girl now (Japanese developers like to do this for some reason, despite the actual nationality of the character) , which can look uncanny when lacking texture.
In general though, it looks better than the stupid-looking "Am I Kawaii? Uguu..." animu version from Gamecube release.
In general though, it looks better than the stupid-looking "Am I Kawaii? Uguu..." animu version from Gamecube release.
Right. They didn't save any of the original assets from REmake. It would've looked incredible if they had.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Already have this preordered for weeks. Can't wait, even though this is the worst of the classic RE.
HyperZone<3
Member
holy crap, I'm pretty sure that's on purpose (the long neck), because I'm pretty sure that's a C.H.U.D. they put into the game. That's pretty cool.
Reminds me of this.
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