Can Crusher
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Honestly don't understand why some are riled up. This hardly makes much of a difference from what we had before. Makes life for developers on Xbox One a little easier.
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DigitalFoundry: X1 memory performance improved for production console/ESRAM 192 GB/s)
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rudieboy77
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Is your new thread button broken?
From a power standpoint and probably ease of development?
Just because something looks better on paper, doesn't mean it is. I'm getting a PS4, but I would never say something is better than another thing without actually testing it.
Yet it may make it harder as this does throw into question that the downclock maybe true
Can Crusher
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Sooner or later we will know about that. Detective gaf doing math right now, but until someone like Cboat spills da beans, or a dev in a couple of month we won't know.
I believe the big deal is how much ram is accessible in one frame right? Even with just 4 GB of Gddr5 the PS4 could access like 3 GB in a single frame, and the Xbox one only 1?
If somebody could speak about that it would be great, since that to me meant more about the differences in ram and bandwidth usage than anything else.
Cboat didn't talk about downclocks, he talked about yields. Which still seems real considering MS is launching in less markets, and will have less units available.
Mirrors Edge 2 exist. And... DRM? Really DRM wasn't real man? lol
Junior Mint
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Umm, as far as I can tell, the conversations seems to be that the numbers posted by DF are actually suggesting that a downclock has happened.
vpance
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It's either easier, or actually harder, depending on whether or not the whole thing is just PR spin. Until a confirmed MHz clock figure is released, err on the side of spin.
You might want to get your facts straight:
- low yields are a #truthfact
- ME2 was shown
- no PS4 paywall was explicitly marked as unconfirmed
- cboat apologized for pop (I personally think he saw the beginning of the Halo trailer)
Graphics Horse
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Maybe you need a better Cboat translator.
Downclocking was never a truthfact. cboat only mentioned yield problems. He said that he couldn't confirm "no paywall". ME2 was there, but at the wrong conference. Even worse DRM couldn't be confirmed since MS did the 180.
This article suggests there might have been a downclock tho
Glorified G
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I'm surprised this thread has gotten so large. The realistic throughput looks to be now 133Gb/s which is an improvement from 102Gb/s, but hardly a game changer.
Oh it's quite obvious why some are so emotional over this.
Miles Quaritch
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So downclock inadvertently confirmed?
Wow. Does this mean we can expect to see an increase in number of units available at launch?
Would there still be yield issues if they've downclocked?
Wow. Does this mean we can expect to see an increase in number of units available at launch?
Would there still be yield issues if they've downclocked?
maabus1999
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Except that math doesn't equal what the article is saying in its entirety.
SRTtoZ
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People dont realize how much Gafing is done on an iPad. Id say 75% of my gaffing is done on an iPad.
Back to the thread:
So a thread that started out as XB1 getting better memory performance turns out to really be a downclock confirmation. Lol amazing.
Is he know for this kind of behaviour?
I think In the first few pages ppl were saying it confirms a downclock but it wasn't till now that it was brought up again lol
AgentP
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Well what does it say? I would say the info he got was purposely convoluted to hide the math. This whole thing smells like a smoke screen. "we didn't get slower, we got faster" (with hand waving math).
Hatchetforce
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Yes. If downclocking is being utilized by MS. Personally I am not saying they are using such a practice. But if so then it very well may increase the number of available units as threshold testing would allow more of the production yield to pass standards.
Gemüsepizza
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M...m....m...maybe you should read the thread ok? There are strong hints on a downclock supported by math.
It says that a dev told him, that MS told him, ESram got better and that there is no information about a downclock. MS would tell them is this was the case.
Where does he state this? In the article he asks his source about the down clock and his source says MS hasn't said anything about down clocking the X1.
maabus1999
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First they the sources say single write is still 102. Secondly they are using an admittedly vague term about "holes." So everyone takes that means full read write ability when the wording says the opposite that they are using some mysterious open period. Which they then admit is propably about 133 GB in reality. People are assuming things themselves that conflict with still confusing information in the article.
SRTtoZ
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Because the math in the article makes ZERO sense. When someone actually started trying to make sense of it all they came up with this:
That shows a downclock and makes sense when actual math is considered. Is it 100% confirmed? Idk
People act like the two GPUs are light years apart, which cracks me up. In reality they are very similar. That "50% power" difference is funny too. At 1080p you simply aren't going to see much of a difference.
In reality you get a tiny FPS (frames per second) boost that may not even matter and similar very high settings vs possible high settings (using PC "wording" there). We'll probably have 3rd party games where the X1 runs a game at 68fps and the PS4 runs it at 85fps...both would be locked to 60fps on both. They're so similar I doubt you'll see any worthy games sub-30fps.
Granted, sub-30fps seemed to be a norm for multiple PS4 games at E3.
Insane Metal
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LoL what? That's insanity. Even 100Mhz would be too much... 300?? LoL.
Gemüsepizza
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1.23/800*750= 1.153125 TFLOPS
Now remember that Microsoft said that only 90% of the 1.23 TFLOPS are usable for games, and the rest is needed for the system (probably Kinect etc.), which is 123GFLOPS. Because it is unlikely that this amount has changed, we have to consider it too:
1.23/800*750-0.123 = 1.030125 TFLOPS for games
This would make the PS4's GPU up to 79% more powerful (66% if PS4 has also 123GFLOPS reserved).
These are tales from your asses because you are assuming something without factual knowledge of the matter. But carry on...
lastflowers
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people are extrapolating a downclock based on assumptions that they know how the ESRAM hardware works within the console and math.
googleplex
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So a 50mhz downclock for the ESRAM looks like it was true? Oh man the Xbone can't catch a brake.
You can see a difference in 480p let alone 1080p. It's not the resolution, it's how much computation you do before finding which color a pixel should be.
Or you'll get 40 fps in the Xbone and 60 on the PS4. Or 24 on the Xbone and 30 on the PS4.
That clearly means PS4 is shit, amirite?
phosphor112
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Never was. No need to lie.
Vestal
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are we even sure the esram runs synchronously?
I was reading a paper by IBM earlier which stated that it could come in both flavors async or sync
Forsaken82
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more like 95%
AgentP
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Well it is possible the eSRAM has an independent clock maybe?
Gemüsepizza
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Because both consoles have the same architecture, this makes them more similar to each other than many PCs. We know that you can easily change settings on a more powerful PCs and have better graphics, because modern engines have very good scaling, so it's to be assumed that the same is true for consoles and your post is most likely wrong.
Proelite
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Gaf are experts at silicon behavior, don't doubt.
These are tales of a science called mathematics.
To summarize
Before
750 * 128 = 102 GB/sec
After
750 (freq) * 128 (bits) = 96 GB/s
96 GB/s * 2 (simultaneous read/write) = 192 GB/s
Please point at the part that is supposedly "from my ass".
I don't know, seems like it might be slowing down.
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