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Dilemma: make a contracted painter redo all his work or just shrug it off

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Pagusas

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Summary for quickness:
Hired painter to do a $5k, 3000sqft interior painting job

Provided painter with color choices

Painter gets sample paints mixed, paints us a sample
wall with correct paints, we approve.

Painter goes and gets large amounts of paints mixed, gets the wrong light paint for the dominant paint color in the house, but it's only a small difference from the real paint color (lighter and slightly more blue)

After 1 week of work we feel something doesn't look right, see his in his notes he left for his crew that keeps referring to a paint color we didn't approve, checked his paint supplies (the color name sticker) and see it's the wrong color

Trying to decide if we should make him repaint it knowing it will add a lot more time to his project and make him lose money.



Long version:

A few weeks ago my wife and I decided to contract out painting our entire interior, about 3,000 square feet. Total the job is about $5000 (Includes trim, doors, ceilings and walls).

We have the painter specific paint colors, only 3 colors, Dover Gray (Dark Grey), Secret Passage (light grey) and Snowbound white. When we were deciding on the light grey we had two choices, "Secret Passage" and "Passive". We gave him our sample cards and he told us Secret Passage would work better, though they were super close (passive is slightly lighter and a hint more blue). We decided on Secret Passage and my wife drew hearts on the sample cards for the 3 colors we wanted. We reconfirm on the first morning of work, and he even painted a sample wall with "secret passage" so we could confirm we liked it. All was good.

Fast forward 1 week into the project, about 50% done (ceilings and main rooms are now painted). When we first saw it we thought it looked slightly blue, but dismissed it as simply a lot of daylight coming in the windows (and we only saw it after work and tried to stay out of the painters way). Tonight we looked at the notes he had left on our kitchen counter (used them to direct his crew), the word "Passive" was used all over to describe the light grey walls. We then looked at the 5 gallon buckets being used and right on them was "passive". He somehow ordered the wrong paint. After calling him he feels that the paint store must have messed up the order, though even if they did I imagine it's on him for not checking the paint labels before leaving with them and using them.

The dilemma for us is do we demand he redo all his work for what amounts to like a 2% difference in color, which I imagine will add a ton of the time to the job (for our schedules we don't care, but I imagine this will make the job a loss for him), or do we just shrug it off and not worry about it.

My gut is to make him change it, it was his mistake and should be corrected, and even a 1-2% difference in color can make a difference. But I feel bad thinking this way, as I know as some one who sometimes does contract work my self, nothing sucks more than having to take a fiscal loss on a large project due to a very minor problem.

What would you do gaf?
 
Bring the mistake to them and tell them that you are conflicted as to whether demand them to correct it or let it pass. Let them know you'll however first be consulting the wife. The last bit is the most important.
 
They didn't do the job right, they should have to redo it.
 
You should be protected under some kind of consumer guarantees law. If the work is not what you wanted, or not up to standard, you are entitled to have it either refunded or done correctly.
 
If you can live with the color, maybe you could talk with them and get the cost of the job reduced/refunded
 
I agree with trying to get a little reduction in the cost. It doesn't sound like that big a difference since you could explain it away to yourselves at first, but I'm not a stickler for stuff like that.
 
Having done contract work in the past, i'd say have him repaint since it bothers you, also, since the color you wanted is similar and darker it shouldn't be a difficult color change anyway.
 
You are well within your right and justified in requesting the work be redone. Some contractors want their clients to be happy within reason. They are willing to take the loss for any errors that are brought to their attention.

I would ask for a partial refund or just let it pass for the reasons you outlined, though.
 
If he didn't do the job that you paid for and you want it fixed, he's obligated to fix it. This job won't be a loss for him because you're being a stickler, it will be a loss for him because he fucked up.
 
On the phone he said he would make it right, so I'm not worried about him doing right by me, more just feel bad about this costing him money for something so small, though as someone said, getting the paint right is basically his #1 job
 
You should be protected under some kind of consumer guarantees law. If the work is not what you wanted, or not up to standard, you are entitled to have it either refunded or done correctly.

OP isn't so much concerned with whether or not they will fix it. He is struggling more with making the contractor redo the work and potentially take a hit over what amounts to a 1-2% difference.

I symaphize with the contractor. Mistakes happen. That being said you paid for a very specific paint and are certainly well within your right to ask that they repaint. Should you? Well only you and your wife known if you'll be able to live with the difference or if it's gonna bug the both of you forever.

Honestly once you informed the contractor that the paint was incorrect they should have offered to repaint right there. If their supplier truly messed up then that's something for them to take up with the supplier.

If you can live with it, ask him if he will do a partial refund.

If you can't, repaint time.

Yeah I agree with that.
 
My instinct would be to just tell him you noticed it was the wrong paint and see how he responds before doing anything. It sounds like you already did that and he claimed that the paint store was at fault, which is not a great answer -- as you said, it's kind of on him to read the side of the can and know what paint they sent him, and he's the one who put the paint all over your house. He should at least take responsibility for the problem.

However, I personally think you should follow your nobler instincts here -- the paint he used was one of the colors you liked originally, and he helped convince you to go with the other color. How strongly do you really feel about having it be one gray and not the other?

That said, I just went and found swatches for these paint colors and damn it, Secret Passage is a lot nicer. So it's tough to say.

http://www.olympic.com/color/paint-colors/secret-passage-d58-2
https://www.sherwin-williams.com/ho...amily/SW7064-passive/#/7064/?s=products&p=PS0
 
My instinct would be to just tell him you noticed it was the wrong paint and see how he responds before doing anything. It sounds like you already did that and he claimed that the paint store was at fault, which is not a great answer -- as you said, it's kind of on him to read the side of the can and know what paint they sent him, and he's the one who put the paint all over your house. He should at least take responsibility for the problem.

However, I personally think you should follow your nobler instincts here -- the paint he used was one of the colors you liked originally, and he helped convince you to go with the other color. How strongly do you really feel about having it be one gray and not the other?

That said, I just went and found swatches for these paint colors and damn it, Secret Passage is a lot nicer. So it's tough to say.

http://www.olympic.com/color/paint-colors/secret-passage-d58-2
https://www.sherwin-williams.com/ho...amily/SW7064-passive/#/7064/?s=products&p=PS0
Just a small note. I've noticed that different companies use the same name for a color but the color will be significantly different. So those might not be the right colors the OP picked.
 
If you think the difference in color will get under your skin over time or that you'll have regrets not asking him to repaint it, then tell him that he needs to repaint it.

If it boils down to more of an issue of "It's not a big deal, but I'm upset that he didn't follow instructions as he should have," then maybe see about him giving you a discount for his error?

I'm not really sure.
 
Just a small note. I've noticed that different companies use the same name for a color but the color will be significantly different. So those might not be the right colors the OP picked.

Nope those are the colors! When they are on the wall they are very very similar (thus why we didn't notice right away). But when compared side to side, secret passage is nicer)
 
Asking for both would be a dick move, a discount or a repaint is defiantly reasonable though.

I think it's fair; these jobs remove your ability to use part or all of a dwelling you pay good money for.

I'm not saying it's what I'd do personally; but think it's perfectly fair business dealing wise. Anything less than that and you are being kind and lenient; which is a good way to act but not always necessary.

I've worked as a painter and also worked at a paint store; he'll get his money back and possibly future discounts over this if if was their fault. Potentially save 50 cents to a dollar a gallon for his account.

Hell he might already have gotten his money back and argued for a future discount.
 
Nope those are the colors! When they are on the wall they are very very similar (thus why we didn't noGive right away). But when compared side to side, secret passage is nicer)

I'm leaning more and more towards the living with it and asking for a discount approach. If they shoot you down for the discount I would just ask for a full repaint using the paint you specced.
 
Also generally the way the painting business works is he essentially sold you the paint; you may never see the price he paid per gallon. Painters make money selling you paint below retail as they are sold the paint for a fraction of retail (if they know what they are doing.)

So this guy sold you the wrong paint and then put it on your walls. It's a waste of your time and money, and his first reaction was to pass the buck?

This isn't someone you'll want to deal with or recommend to someone in the future. Get anything yoh can out of the deal, contractors are infamous for screwing anyone over they can.

Also understandable to move on and accept the mistake; but you wouldn't be being unfair asking for a repaint and a discount to top it off.
 
I think it's fair; these jobs remove your ability to use part or all of a dwelling you pay good money for.

I'm not saying it's what I'd do personally; but think it's perfectly fair business dealing wise. Anything less than that and you are being kind and lenient; which is a good way to act but not always necessary.

I've worked as a painter and also worked at a paint store; he'll get his money back and possibly future discounts over this if if was their fault. Potentially save 50 cents to a dollar a gallon for his account.

Hell he might already have gotten his money back and argued for a future discount.
Also generally the way the painting business works is he essentially sold you the paint; you may never see the price he paid per gallon. Painters make money selling you paint below retail as they are sold the paint for a fraction of retail (if they know what they are doing.)

So this guy sold you the wrong paint and then put it on your walls. It's a waste of your time and money, and his first reaction was to pass the buck?

This isn't someone you'll want to deal with or recommend to someone in the future. Get anything yoh can out of the deal, contractors are infamous for screwing anyone over they can.

Also understandable to move on and accept the mistake; but you wouldn't be being unfair asking for a repaint and a discount to top it off.

It's "fair" in that yes, time lost is still time lost whether you're a business losing money due to lost time or not, but if there's no time constraint (as the OP has already said) you're asking for a discount just because you can.
 
Bring the mistake to them and tell them that you are conflicted as to whether demand them to correct it or let it pass. Let them know you'll however first be consulting the wife. The last bit is the most important.

What?

Anyway this happened to me also, twice with the same contractor. First he mixed up the paints of the bedrooms. So the main bedroom was the colour of the guest room and vice versa. And another time he just got the wrong colour paint for the outside of the house. Even after a print out of the name and picture of the paint. Same thing, he said there was mix up at the paint store. Just explain that its not what you first agreed to and ask him to redo it. You should get a discount on his hours, as for the paint, no matter who made the mistake (contractor or paint store) it's not what you agreed to or bought so you shouldn't have to pay for the replacement paint.
 
You're ambivalent, so you let them know as much. But you also let them know you're SO has a say, and may be more resolved in wanting it redone so they should expect it to be just shrugged off.

It's true my wife and I use this tactic a lot in negotiating. Basically a spin on good cop bad cop, takes the "bad guy" pressure off the direct talkers shoulders and places it on the (never present) bad guy/spouse who is picky, demanding and demands a good deal.
 
Guilt him into redoing it.

"Oh no!! This isn't the right color! Oh man I don't know what to do right now! I spent all this money and it's not even for what I wanted!"

Et cetera =p
 
You're ambivalent, so you let them know as much. But you also let them know you're SO has a say, and may be more resolved in wanting it redone so they shouldn't expect it to be just shrugged off.

Ok, i misread that to mean something else. thanks
 
So in the end the painter is repainting the walls, not going to ask for a discount or anything as so long as the job gets done I don't mind the extra time, no need to cost him any extra.
 
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