retroBrand
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I remember a few years ago when we were simply asking for more RALLY in the Dirt games. Now we're simply asking for more dirt.
Best racing dev of this generation my ass.
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DiRT Showdown announced; May 2012; 'simpler arcade feel'
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I remember a few years ago when we were simply asking for more RALLY in the Dirt games. Now we're simply asking for more dirt.
Best racing dev of this generation my ass.
Pimpbaa
Slop Inspector
A simpler game doesn't sound like fun to me.
Globehopper
Member
Seriously, who asked for this? All I've ever seen is people wanting more rally, longer stages, better use of rallying heritage etc... and they come out with this?
Anyone know what the sales were like for Dirt 1 vs 2 vs 3? I imagine 2 was the peak in terms of units sold but that's just me assuming.
Anyone know what the sales were like for Dirt 1 vs 2 vs 3? I imagine 2 was the peak in terms of units sold but that's just me assuming.
Only people who want to complain bother to comment on what they want from the series, perhaps?
Jamesways
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However, WRC2011 is region free if you're interested on playing it in the States. It's much cheaper now as well. Game UK, Amazon UK, places like that even offer good deal s on shipping here occasionally.
Neuromancer
Member
But wouldn't those be PAL versions? I don't import too many 360 games and I was under the impression those wouldn't work for me.
Destruction Derby sounds like good old fun to me.
As long as they continue with the DiRT series in the old-fashinoed way (I know DiRT is not old), I am okay wth this.
Jamesways
Member
Yes, but it works on the NTSC console.
The same with MotoGP 10/11, Capcom never brought it to NA on the 360, it was confirmed as region free so I imported one from the UK and it works great.
Agreed, the first two games were incredible. I think Codies has (mistakenly) attributed the recent success of the DiRT series to the addition of modes like Gymkhana :/
Hurry up and make a proper sequel to TOCA Race Driver 3 please! That game had the works... karting, DTM, touring cars, V8 supercars, GT racing, Mini Coopers... SO GOOD.
Jamesways
Member
Preach on, brother! NO KIDDING. Those had great car lists and great track lists too. I'd be happy with Grid 2 (with them correcting the pivot steering), but a new TOCA game would be incredible.
Neuromancer
Member
That's what I'm hoping; if that's the case I fully support this inane game.
Oh wow.
Hopefully it will fail very badly.
I bought Dirt3 full price and kinda felt robbed when I discovered there wasn't really
much more rally events than in Dirt2; it was just the same 2 minutes tracks over and over again in half the number of locales (if not less). Most of the game consisted of non-rally races.
Too bad =(
Hopefully it will fail very badly.
I bought Dirt3 full price and kinda felt robbed when I discovered there wasn't really
much more rally events than in Dirt2; it was just the same 2 minutes tracks over and over again in half the number of locales (if not less). Most of the game consisted of non-rally races.
Too bad =(
Neuromancer
Member
So you're telling me if I buy this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/WRC-World-Rally-Championship-2011/dp/B00524V1GQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1323710715&sr=8-3
It'll work on my US 360? If so I'll order it right now.
Chiaroscuro
Member
The new one, WRC 2, is region-free, if you want to pick one from Europe. But both are pretty horrible games, physics, gameplay and graphics wise. The first one, named just WRC, is region-locked however.
Yes, it will work. I have the game and a US system. Be warned: it is good to play a pure rally racer, but this one is from a low budget dev and has a lot of problems. But still, I like it.
Neuromancer
Member
Awesome, ordering now. Although it doesn't seem to want to ship to the US, anyone know a good workaround?
Jamesways
Member
Try this site, Neuro, it's cheaper too!
http://www.game.co.uk/en/world-rally-championships-2011-131491
http://www.game.co.uk/en/world-rally-championships-2011-131491
Neuromancer
Member
Ordered! Thanks for the tip.
Chip N Chance
Member
I really liked the X-Games stuff in Dirt 2. Little bummed that there wasn't enough of the stadium racing in 3, but was still a fantastic game. If they separate the two styles with Showdown and Dirt 4 even more, im fine with that.
What i really want out of Codemasters is a Motocross game in the same vein of Dirt.
What i really want out of Codemasters is a Motocross game in the same vein of Dirt.
Despite the fact that I've played some real stinkers this year, no game came close to how much I hated playing DiRT 3. The terrible Gymkhana bullshit, the unironic use of words like 'amigo', the constant nagging if I want to put shit on youtube, pushing DLC ingame hard (and being unable to complete events without it), even fewer rally events than in DiRT 2, absurd amounts of in-game advertising etc. etc.
This sounds worse. A real achievement in crap.
This sounds worse. A real achievement in crap.
About Dirt3 ... You forgot to mention how it was obviously rushed, how it felt buggy (no pun intended) with tearing and frame drops and how the overall presentation was dumbed down compared to Dirt2.
Yeah, you're right, I was overly soft on it.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Dang it. You guys are really killing my desire to play DiRT 3, which I happened to pick up on a Black Friday sale. I really enjoyed the first DiRT and thought the second was pretty good as well, but these negative impressions are disappointing to hear.
Jamesways
Member
Dang it. You guys are really killing my desire to play DiRT 3, which I happened to pick up on a Black Friday sale. I really enjoyed the first DiRT and thought the second was pretty good as well, but these negative impressions are disappointing to hear.
Well, if you're interested in the Rally and Trailblazer events, it'll be a lot of fun at first. There's a big car list, and 4 rally environments to start with. But... once you realize that each course is just a short chopped up segment of one long track per environment, it starts to get repetitive and lose it's luster. The longest tracks are only about 3min or so.
Neuromancer
Member
Not to mention they took out some great things from Dirt 2 like:
-seeing a graphical representation of the track and a distance when choosing single event; instead you just have to pick a name and hope for the best. Doesn't help that all the tracks are minor variations on the same environments.
-being able to take any vehicle out on any track
I like Codie's in general but it seems like they go out of their way to fuck with me, oftentimes ignoring or removing little features that can make a huge difference.
-seeing a graphical representation of the track and a distance when choosing single event; instead you just have to pick a name and hope for the best. Doesn't help that all the tracks are minor variations on the same environments.
-being able to take any vehicle out on any track
I like Codie's in general but it seems like they go out of their way to fuck with me, oftentimes ignoring or removing little features that can make a huge difference.
crimsonheadGCN
Banned
Looks like Codemasters has finally ditched GFWL. This will be a Steamworks title:
https://twitter.com/#!/dirtgame/status/146639651669680128
https://twitter.com/#!/dirtgame/status/146639651669680128
lots of (unfair) hate for dirt 3 in this thread. yes, the game still had plenty of frat guy, dudebro-ness, to it to hate, and yeah, not everyone is going to love some of the new modes like gymkhana, but the graphics were even better then the stellar 2's, and the controls were tweaked to near perfection (for a sim/arcade hybrid). still a terrific game, even if the rally aspect was limited.
Neuromancer
Member
Smart, PC guys have been clamoring for this for ages.
That game had 60 licensed world-circuits.
Australia
- Mount Panorama V8 circuit (Bathurst)
- Barbagallo - Long, V8 and Short circuits
- Eastern Creek - Grand Prix, V8, Short and Southern Loops circuits
- Queensland Grand Prix circuit
- Oran Park - Grand Prix, South and North circuits
- Sandown Park V8 circuit
- Gold Coast Indy 300 Grand Prix circuit
- Symmons Plains Raceway V8 circuit
- Philip Island Grand Prix circuit
- Hidden Valley Raceway
- Adelaide Street circuit
Bahrain
- Bahrain - Grand Prix, Internal, and External circuits
Belgium
- Spa-Francorchamps Grand Prix circuit
China
- Shanghai Grand Prix Circuit
Czech Republic
- Brunn - Brno Grand Prix Circuit
Germany
- Hockenheim - Grand Prix, National and Short circuits
- Lausitzring EuroSpeedway - Grand Prix circuit
- Norisring - Grand Prix circuit
- Nurburgring - Short circuit
- Motopark Oschersleben - Grand Prix, 'B' and 'C' circuits
Ireland
- Mondello Park - International, National and Short circuits
Netherlands
- Zandvoort - Grand Prix, National, Club and Oostelijk circuits
New Zealand
- Pukekohe Park Raceway
Turkey
- Istanbul Park Circuit
UK
- Donnington Park - Grand Prix and National circuits
- Oulton Park - International, Island and Foster circuits
- Silverstone - Grand Prix, International, National, and South circuits
- Brands Hatch - Grand Prix and Short Indy circuits, plus Rally Cross track
- Bedford Autodrome - GT, North, East, South and West circuits
- Snetterton
- Castle Coombe
USA
- Indianapolis Motor Speedway Oval
- Nashville Super Speedway
- Dover International Raceway
- Gateway International Raceway
- Gateway International Raceway Road course
- Laguna Seca Grand Prix circuit
And with bonus of few original circuits designed exclusively for the game:
- 3 UK Rally courses
- 3 International Rallycross courses
- 2 Go Kart circuits
- 5 National Dirt Raceway circuits
NOTHING COMES CLOSE TODAY.™
We are really living in the sad times for racing-genre, where having new Lamborghini, Ferrari or Whatever become more important than having tracks.
Cars have become the new tracks, cars are now what sells DLC, what turns people heads and so on.
We finally have everything we only dreamt of genre a decade ago technically-wise, but in the same time we suffered so much content-wise that just a brief look on the list above shows the utter sadness in which genre is swimming today.
that would be amazing. btw, slightly mad studios C.A.R.S. project is supposed to have rally in it, so there is at least that.
Jamesways
Member
That is an amazing track list.
And you summed it what's wrong with the sim racing genre perfectly. It is really sad. A large variety of tracks is what gives a racing game longevity, but cars are what sells them it seems.
Neuromancer
Member
Another preview and interview, this time from CVG, with a producer and game designer:
Sounds good to me, split off this nonsense and give me the rally game I really want in a couple years. It's a win-win. (Although truth be told the destruction derby stuff sounds fun, I quite enjoyed it in Grid.)
Jamesways
Member
Just our luck the sales will be through the roof, and Dirt 4 will be shelved in favor of
DirtBro 2: Hoonigan Harder*
*now with more Ken Block and friends.
I really hope their commitment to traditional rally does pan out in a future game.
But if the more simplified arcade feel is their model from here on out, maybe we'd be better off seeing someone else get the WRC license.
Come on CM, bring on Grid 2. Grid 1, despite the handling, was a good start with the 2006 LMS series in there. Keep that going, add some more series. Maybe throw a little DTM in there, back to the Toca roots as it were.
DirtBro 2: Hoonigan Harder*
*now with more Ken Block and friends.
I really hope their commitment to traditional rally does pan out in a future game.
But if the more simplified arcade feel is their model from here on out, maybe we'd be better off seeing someone else get the WRC license.
Come on CM, bring on Grid 2. Grid 1, despite the handling, was a good start with the 2006 LMS series in there. Keep that going, add some more series. Maybe throw a little DTM in there, back to the Toca roots as it were.
They explicitly said the fans wanted more rally in their dev videos for Dirt 3. Honestly if Dirt 4 is more rally then they can release this inbetween if they want to (or if they are trying to split the experiences).
Neuromancer
Member
I wonder if they've given up on Grid. Shame, I quite liked it.
Can't believe this is the game they finally cave on. I can only pray to the gaming gods it's their new policy for all games.
I'm still 100 percent convinced (after spending a ridiculous amount of hours troubleshooting) that the GFWL client plays a huge role in the DX 11 crash bug. It'll be interesting, at least, to see if this finally squashes that after all these years. My money's on yes.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
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VVV Mars VG
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I've put together a brief video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Ueqee8Bis working on another one today with new screen shots and target renders discussing it all in a little bit more detail.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
jediyoshi
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Foliorum Viridum
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I'm all for an arcadey rally game (Sega Rally <3) but that'd mean I'd want actual rally driving, not the stunt bollocks that was in Dirt 3.