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Embearded

Embearded

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I've posted it in another thread that got locked pretty fast. Here it is:

  • Code in a box.
  • Include 1 to n blank blu ray discs
  • Disc drive peripheral is R/W
  • Allow players to burn the game in the blu ray anytime they want and not just the initial release version.
  • When that happens, transfer the digital license to the physical disc.
  • Consoles need to be online when disc enters for the first time. Until it is used on another console, you can play the game discless on your devices with your account.
  • When the time comes and the console is no longer supported, disable any license check on Firmware level.

It doesn't give them the entire margin of digitals, they just don't have the part of the production that writes the discs.
It is better than the current system for game preservation because you store the latest and possibly fixed version instead of day one.
It allows the user to also store digital only releases.

What do you think?
 
Just move to rewriteable cartridges. I don't care about the mechanics outside of that. Give me a cart I can update/load DLC onto, have the rights attached to that cart, and let me use it without phoning home.

Beyond that, please fuck off... arbitrary platform holder.
 
1. The manufactures of blu ray drives are consolidating and slowing down production of drives to teh bare minimum, There just is no money is making them.

2. As such, the manufacture of blank discs has also decreased to just 1 or 2 worldwide manufacturers and they have significantly cut back production. You cannot find blank discs in most retail channels any more.

3. most games come with huge patches, sometimes days/weeks after launch. you would be burning discs over and over across the first few months.

4. And Sony, home of the music rootkit for digital protection, is in no way, shape or form EVER going to allow anyone to make their games be portable and copyable.
 
Danny Dudekisser said:
Just move to rewriteable cartridges. I don't care about the mechanics outside of that. Give me a cart I can update/load DLC onto, have the rights attached to that cart, and let me use it without phoning home.

Beyond that, please fuck off... arbitrary platform holder.
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cartridges rely on memory chips. and AAA game would need 60-150GM of memory. You know how much that costs in the current market space even with teh type of memory used in cartridges? No one is going to ramp up production of that kind of memory as long as AI market is booming and teh big boys are buying up all fab capacity.
 
Not to shit all over your idea... but... This rewritable solution doesn't feel like it's solving anything. They still have to print a box, they still have to print a code, presumably on a separate slip, and they still have to include a disc. At this point, that's 90% of their disc related costs.

I'm also concerned that if the drive is designed to read presumably unlicensed discs (since you said the license hasn't been written yet) that it could be exploited nearly instantly by ne'er-do-wells. This feels like PS1, Dreamcast era console piracy all over again.
 
You see, discs were the only thing keeping locked hardware games into any kind of good faith. Yeah, we know that you in theory you need Playstation hardware to play Playstation games, but we know that eventually emulators arise and games get dumped, so it's not that bad. But know, they broke that unwritten agreement. Games in discs doesn't cut it anymore. We need to do away with locked hardware.
 
kinda delusional if you think sony/nintendo is gonna let you download their game offline as an iso and let you burn your own disc 😂😂😂

also code in a box is missing the entire point of preservation, server goes offline = can't download the game anymore

almost all of these are already solved on PC with GOG/crack, you can do whatever you want with your DRM free game

Digital only future is Inevitable. Its just PC is still better for that because of GOG and crack
 
I doubt disc drive manufacturers will allow a firmware that can copy or bypass types of DRM. You know someone would figure out the key(s) then start burning them. Kind of like a Msoft KMS
 
  1. Blu Ray Drives in general are slowing down in production, so I think that's a tough ask without a bigger company taking a risk.
  2. Opening up the discs to be writeable I think the console maker worries will make piracy easier.
    1. Nintendo made their cartridges read-only for that reason, gimping the Switch 2 from transferring data to the faster internal storage (outside dlc).
  3. Sony doesn't give a shit about doing all this, they actively WANT you stuck on digital so they control the entire buying experience in their closed platform.
 
Digital disc codes arent much different than discs aside from not being able to resell.

Having plastic cases with a code in it goes against what console makers want to do. And that is as little physical presence as possible due to physical costs and much less margin as those digital code boxes are sold at stores so WM and Best Buy get their cut as normal.

They want as much gaming to be bought and downloaded direct to your console as possible. Less costs, no game selling/trading, retail stores get no cut anymore.
 
Embearded said:
I've posted it in another thread that got locked pretty fast. Here it is:

  • Code in a box.
  • Include 1 to n blank blu ray discs
  • Disc drive peripheral is R/W
  • Allow players to burn the game in the blu ray anytime they want and not just the initial release version.
  • When that happens, transfer the digital license to the physical disc.
  • Consoles need to be online when disc enters for the first time. Until it is used on another console, you can play the game discless on your devices with your account.
  • When the time comes and the console is no longer supported, disable any license check on Firmware level.

It doesn't give them the entire margin of digitals, they just don't have the part of the production that writes the discs.
It is better than the current system for game preservation because you store the latest and possibly fixed version instead of day one.
It allows the user to also store digital only releases.

What do you think?
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You mean a solution that allows those pesky players to resell their discs instead of buying directly from glorious Sony at full price? Never!
 
Embearded said:
I've posted it in another thread that got locked pretty fast. Here it is:

  • Code in a box.
  • Include 1 to n blank blu ray discs
  • Disc drive peripheral is R/W
  • Allow players to burn the game in the blu ray anytime they want and not just the initial release version.
  • When that happens, transfer the digital license to the physical disc.
  • Consoles need to be online when disc enters for the first time. Until it is used on another console, you can play the game discless on your devices with your account.
  • When the time comes and the console is no longer supported, disable any license check on Firmware level.

It doesn't give them the entire margin of digitals, they just don't have the part of the production that writes the discs.
It is better than the current system for game preservation because you store the latest and possibly fixed version instead of day one.
It allows the user to also store digital only releases.

What do you think?
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The dream is dead. Let it go.
 
Embearded said:
What do you think?
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Or, you could just, you know..
  • Remove the DRM
  • Let people backup their digital copy in whatever version number you have to any storage/physical medium for preservation
The only thing that seemingly can't be solved is the combination of a) reselling your digital license and b) preserving the game like mentioned above.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
They want as much gaming to be bought and downloaded direct to your console as possible. Less costs, no game selling/trading, retail stores get no cut anymore.
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Shortly thereafter, Sony will come, hat in hand, and say they have to raise the price of digital games because the licensing fees went up along with infrastructure costs
 
This obviously won't ever happen. But it's not the dumbest idea I've heard.

The biggest issue is that writeable discs tend to degrade sooner. You'd lose your 'digital license' when that happens so it would carry a risk.
 
Look Embearded Embearded , i'll put it straight to you:
Destroying your ability to resell games, as well as your ability control/preserve them isn't a consequence of Sony's decision, it's their objective. Whatever 'solution' you may come up with is pointless, because what you consider problems to be fixed has been their end goal all along.
 
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Sounds expensive, cumbersome, complicates and like something that would interest Sony even less than just having a console with a drive and games on normal discs.

Personally, I'd feel like I was playing a pirated backup of the game and I would never buy such a copy used. Not appealing at all for me (and I love physical media and refuse to buy digital download-only games)
 
Guilty_AI said:
Look Embearded Embearded , i'll put it straight to you:
Destroying your ability to resell games, as well as your ability control/preserve them isn't a consequence of Sony's decision, it's their objective. Whatever 'solution' you may come up with is pointless, because what you consider problems to be fixed has been their end goal all along.
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Hello sister, I'm glad to see you've been able to pay your bail, please report back to Steam and pick up Golden Light, which is on the wasteland that is your wishlist, for R$ 5.99 BR bucks.
 
I think this entire thing might be a conspiracy to force people into renting games as a service. Kind of like Netflix and stuff.

They could tie the games to the hardware IDs of the console. But they won't do that because it will cost money to keep up with.
 
Burning also wears a drive a lot. They'd be failing in unsustainable numbers and while Sony could protect themselves legally from that, the reputation damage would not be worth it.
 
They restricted the PS5 browser to minimize potential exploits, and you're suggesting they add a huge attack surface along with convenient software for creating disc images?
 
pqueue said:
1. The manufactures of blu ray drives are consolidating and slowing down production of drives to teh bare minimum, There just is no money is making them.

2. As such, the manufacture of blank discs has also decreased to just 1 or 2 worldwide manufacturers and they have significantly cut back production. You cannot find blank discs in most retail channels any more.

3. most games come with huge patches, sometimes days/weeks after launch. you would be burning discs over and over across the first few months.

4. And Sony, home of the music rootkit for digital protection, is in no way, shape or form EVER going to allow anyone to make their games be portable and copyable.
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I understand 1,2 and 4.
For 3, the solution is to not burn straight away. The idea is mainly for game preservation and to own a physical disc that could potentially be played in 20+ years if servers go offline.

digimaster7 said:
kinda delusional if you think sony/nintendo is gonna let you download their game offline as an iso and let you burn your own disc 😂😂😂

also code in a box is missing the entire point of preservation, server goes offline = can't download the game anymore

almost all of these are already solved on PC with GOG/crack, you can do whatever you want with your DRM free game

Digital only future is Inevitable. Its just PC is still better for that because of GOG and crack
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Well delusion is what unites us here.
Code in the box is just to get you the game, the main topic here is the ability to burn your game on a disc. And PC is better now, what will happen after Gabes death and /or when GOG is sold / inherited is unknown.

Tams said:
Burning also wears a drive a lot. They'd be failing in unsustainable numbers and while Sony could protect themselves legally from that, the reputation damage would not be worth it.
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Yes that is a real problem.



In general you can skip all steps and focus on the ability to self write / backup your digital game in physical storage for preservation.
And the only way to convince these companies to commit to offer access to our digital goods is through law only.
 
Embearded said:
I understand 1,2 and 4.
For 3, the solution is to not burn straight away. The idea is mainly for game preservation and to own a physical disc that could potentially be played in 20+ years if servers go offline.



Well delusion is what unites us here.
Code in the box is just to get you the game, the main topic here is the ability to burn your game on a disc. And PC is better now, what will happen after Gabes death and /or when GOG is sold / inherited is unknown.


Yes that is a real problem.



In general you can skip all steps and focus on the ability to self write / backup your digital game in physical storage for preservation.
And the only way to convince these companies to commit to offer access to our digital goods is through law only.
Click to expand...
Just copy your library to external storage (USB drive, HDD, or SSD).
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