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Disney reportedly unhappy with Rogue One
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Sorry, I thought hot take was 2016s edge
Cross-Section
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Still is, and already is working on it if I've got my dates correct.
It's honestly one of the aspects of this movie that I'm looking forward to the most; I'm really curious as to what tact Desplat will take with the score. Will he attempt to strike a balance between his own music stylings and Williams' themes (something he's actually done before for the Harry Potter films) or will he leave it all behind and try to elicit more of a war-film-aesthetic?
Lifejumper
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Awesome.
Thanks for the recap. I don't get how they planned reshoots before principle photography?
They just blocked out time for reshoots, they didn't have the specific stuff they wanted to reshoot planned. It's just "Hey, we should make sure our cast and crew are locked down for this period of time when and if we need to fix some stuff."
Bobby Roberts
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OP should probably be updated w/ that recap, too.
Thanks, that makes sense. So basically there's nothing to worry about it sounds like?
I'm not sure that should be the exact take away, but it's like there isn't more to worry about now than there was before the reshoot news broke. The existence of reshoots don't tell us if a movie is gonna be good or bad, it just tells us reshoots exist. But you can still worry about other stuff, like Gareth Edwards making a Gareth Edwards movie, if that's a thing that is worrying to you. In summary, the story pretty much continues to be these guys are trying to make a good movie.
ViewtifulJC
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Was just about to say this, he's so fuckin good in that movie, him and jack O Connell
Ben Has quickly become one of those "that guy" actors. You may not know his name, he's not the hot young star of any blockbuster, but whenever you see him it's like "hey it's that guy!" And the movie is 5% better because he's in it
See also Stanley Tucci and Alfre Woodard(lowkey most memorable part of Civil War)
Trigonometrize.
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Don't you mean Snoke and mirrors?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Don't you mean Ezra and mirrors?
Trigonometrize.
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Do we know if there are going to be tie-ins to Rebels with this at all yet? Cause I haven't paid a lick of attention to that show.
I agree it's bad. But better than any prequel, not by much though.
Bobby Roberts
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There won't be.
Done.
Define tie-in.
Does Rebels talk about the world of Star Wars and some of its bigger characters around the same era as Rogue One? Yes.
Was Rogue One written with Rebels in mind? No.
Will they have an episode that specifically hints at the events or a character from the upcoming movie in Rebels to promote the movie? Possibly.
Will Rogue One actively reference Rebels? No.
As always with these things (and no matter what marketing people will tell you), the movies will do their own thing, and will only really take other movies into account. The novels, cartoons, games etc may reference them, maybe even tease some things from upcoming movies before they come out, but it will always be a one way street.
Personally, and I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan in the world, Rebels doesn't give me what I like out of Star Wars. Don't get me wrong, it's probably a lot of fun for people who like that kind of stuff, but the saturday morning cartoon vibe just isn't for me. I'll stick with the movies, and I think that will give me everything I want out of Star Wars.
There will probably be some Rogue One references in Rebels. Putting a U-Wing or that new TIE Fighter, or mentioning Director Krennic, etc. Nothing major.
We already had the AT-ACTs.
If we get real lucky maybe they'll throw us a bone and mention Lothal somewhere in Rogue One, since that seems to be the go-to for referencing Rebels in all the books.
We already had the AT-ACTs.
If we get real lucky maybe they'll throw us a bone and mention Lothal somewhere in Rogue One, since that seems to be the go-to for referencing Rebels in all the books.
Bobby Roberts
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Rebels' big thing for season 3 is bringing a popular EU character back into the canon.
Good stuff. Thanks Richie
Good stuff. Thanks Richie
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jun/01/rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-reshoots-disney
This stuff still irks me. I wish Disney would just have the balls to make a film that is very different from other Star Wars film. I want a gritty war movie set in a universe. Not another nostalgia driven crowd pleasing film.
ValkyrUser
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Star Wars. lol damn..
Discotheque
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apparently this was refuted but I'm 50/50 on it. I wouldn't put it past Disney to do this tbh. Especially after the massive success of Force Awakens. And also how their child studio Marvel has been successful at maintaining a similar tone throughout all their films, so maybe they think a similar situation should happen with Lucasfilm.
Or maybe it's bullshit. Or maybe Gareth Edwards made another boring ass movie and they gotta course correct. I dunno, wait and see on this.
Bobby Roberts
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Read the OP
Monocle
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You're living in delusion. You actually think AOTC is a better movie than TFA? I can't.
Cow Mengde
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Thanks for the extensive recap. I was a little lost at first due to hownfast things moved.
it's all about that sweet pure love doe
Discotheque
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i could see a case for return of the jedi or even the phantom menace but lmao at Attack of the Clones. that is just absolute garbage.
True Savior
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It's not like McQuarrie was going to say, oh yea sure I'm totally co-directing this movie and the director is going to stand next to me while I make every creative decision from now on.
This is bait. There's no world in which TFA is better than TPM.
This is bait. There's no world in which TFA is better than TPM.
Bobby Roberts
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It being not true is a big part of that, yeah.
'At least Lucas tried to do something new!'
Shame that Abrams went for making a good movie instead.
Monocle
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Seriously right? I have no stomach for the idea that Lucas deserves praise for "trying something new," I.E. flushing almost everything that defines the series and makes the original movies the classics they are today.
Abrams' movie is too derivative, I'll admit, but that's so much better than not feeling like Star Wars at all, or worse, corrupting it by making Jedi glow stick wizards, Palpatine a cackling rubber-faced buffoon, and Vader a wooden mop head and a petulant teenager.
Can we please not employ selective memory and ignore Han's great role and the cumulative effect of all the small (and not so small) things TFA does right? The props and locations? Nailed it. The outfits and music? Nailed it. The practical effects and sound design and lightsaber choreography and humorous moments and adventurous tone and classic Star Wars tropes? Nailed it, 100%.
Literally the only two significant critiques of TFA I can think of that don't have ready-made answers in the film itself are:
- TFA mirrors A New Hope too much
- Snoke is kinda silly
Other things like Rey's supposed Mary-Sueness and Kylo's whininess and underwhelming face reveal don't hold water if you actually pay attention to what happens in the movie. (Short answers: Rey's development is better justified than ANH Luke's, and Kylo's character is an intentional subversion of the Vader-like villain we all expected, which ultimately enhances the story and several key relationships).
UnforgivenTwin
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God, I hate that defense.
BronsonLee
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If Rogue One turns out the way I think it will, it'll probably be my favorite Star Wars movie by a country mile
VistraNorrez
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Ah, the arrogance of fans. Look, I think TFA is a better movie than any of the prequels, by a long shot. But what does that mean? What is good art? You guys seem to know one hundred percent. And you care so deeply if something is good and know, better than the creator of the art, what their art should be. It's an attitude like that makes art seem so pointless and fandom a loathsome thing.
Beethoven got terrible reviews for his work in his time. Absolutely eviscerating reviews. These critics were so sure Beethoven created bona fide shit. But he did something so blindingly new that it completely upset people. His music is considered among the greatest of all time. And there are tons of examples of great art that was once savaged by critics and the public. And there are plenty of people that think Star Wars and "good movie" are mutually exclusive. That doesn't invalidate your opinion.
Now I don't believe the PT willever be thought of as good as the OT (or ST if they continue with their quality), but plenty of people have been looking at them slightly differently lately. There is a perspective there and a uniqueness that no one can copy (and many think that should not be). To some, that is a more interesting thing than the indebtedness that TFA showcases. And it's a perfectly valid opinion because it's art. Thankfully, not everyone reacts to it the same. And it's not that big a deal.
And I'll say this about George Lucas, American Graffiti is a better movie than any Star Wars movie and most directors would love to make a film half as good it.
*raises eyebrow*
We already knew he was directing the second unit team but he may be even more hands on than that.
I'm starting to wonder if Gareth Edwards wasn't pushed off of the Godzilla sequels at WB rather than jumping himself.
Holy shit. The Disney brass must have hated what they say if they are going to throw that much time and effort into 'righting' the production.
I remain hopeful that this will still turn out a good film though.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...micCon+(The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Heat+Vision)
Sapiens
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Ahem, you should probably edit your post. Ahem, lucasfilm.
Alan Horn was mentioned in previous articles. He isn't part of the Lucasfilm silo. He has overview of the entire Disney film operation.
I don't think the Mendelsohn/Vader makeout scene will make the final cut.
TDLink
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I actually agree that the Prequel trilogy gave us many interesting concepts. It was a very different world/essentially a different universe from the OT. Many more alien locales and characters. There was more "lore" there, influenced by the years of "EU" content that was produced after the original films.
However, while those elements were neat and I honestly do want to see more of them in the newer films as well, the films themselves were pretty dire. If you try to evaluate the films on any level past the concepts of the PT era they completely fall apart. The narratives, the characters, the writing. It's all weak. Even the special effcts do a somewhat poor job of holding up. TFA is easily a better film than any of them.
I think Lucas was always good at world-building and conceptualizing but pretty bad at the actual writing and characterization. And the prequels are the perfect example of that.
I am glad they existed purely because the Clone Wars cartoon was very very good and completely utilized that era.
Bobby Roberts
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Your stalwart vigilance is not unnoticed
Episode 2 and 3 are horrible sorry.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Thanks for the recap, Bobby.
Man, the rumour game can be such a rollercoaster ride, especially for a franchise like Star Wars.
Man, the rumour game can be such a rollercoaster ride, especially for a franchise like Star Wars.
brandonh83
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It made sense for the prequels to be different and have a different aesthetic as it was before Palpatine's Empire took a long toll on the galaxy. The Force Awakens being closer to the originals and not as different as the prequels made logical sense as the galaxy wouldn't just warp into something different in just 20 or so years or however long.
The prequels had different concepts as well, which I liked, it's part of the reason I actually like them, but I don't think it necessarily makes them superior to Force Awakens in any way. Most people screamed about how they were too different, so naturally when Abrams makes one closer to home, we backpedal and start singing the praises of things we tore the fucking shit out of for going on two decades now.
Story wise The Force Awakens also has character and plot threads unique to the series up to this point. It's not quite 100% samey as some are accusing it of being. That's being super ignorant toward the actual film.
The prequels had different concepts as well, which I liked, it's part of the reason I actually like them, but I don't think it necessarily makes them superior to Force Awakens in any way. Most people screamed about how they were too different, so naturally when Abrams makes one closer to home, we backpedal and start singing the praises of things we tore the fucking shit out of for going on two decades now.
Story wise The Force Awakens also has character and plot threads unique to the series up to this point. It's not quite 100% samey as some are accusing it of being. That's being super ignorant toward the actual film.
Bobby Roberts
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Why Graeme McMillan at Wired is writing up a half-ass recap and completely leaving out Breznican's EW piece, I have no idea.
Shit's almost a week old and based on outdated info now.
Shit's almost a week old and based on outdated info now.
CloudyTuba
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Episode 2 > Episode 7? Is that what I'm reading here?
I'm really looking forward to his score no matter what direction he takes it. Dude is good.
Glad to put this to rest. Thanks for the summary.
Gunslinger
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If Godzilla is anything to go by then we will probably teased the whole movie for an action scene and then finally the last 2 min something will happen......the rest of the movie is just boring dialogue and bad acting. (Except for Brian Cranston he was great like always and Ken Watanabe was barely in it).
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Do these sites post retractions and apologize for posting bullshit once it is refuted? Seems like that would be the right thing to do since putting stories like this out there can be Page 1 of the narrative on the quality of a film. We live in the internet age but people still play the Telephone Game, even when the correction information is available to them. Guy reads a story about Disney not being happy with Rogue One and doing massive reshoots, tells friends that he read Disney thought the movie sucked and is refilming half of it, they tell someone when they see the trailer in theaters, and on and on and on. It gets even worse if the article just sits up on their website so people continue to post links to the bullshit to "prove" what they saw. I know we're talking about some sites who would whore their own mother for clicks, but there has to be a point where they have some integrity.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
I always find this statement bizarre when The Phantom Menace has about as much in common with A New Hope as The Force Awakens does.
Am sure Disney can stand up for themselves
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