No I was asking about this one. But I guess he wouldn't reuse that kind of shot in his next movie, he'd be more subtle. One of the reviewers was commenting on how Tarantino likes to make statements about the audience watching his movies, or rather let the audience realize the statement about "meta", or a sort of juxtaposition. But yeah now that you mention it, he'd never be heavy handed in that way.
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No I was asking about this one. But I guess he wouldn't reuse that kind of shot in his next movie, he'd be more subtle. One of the reviewers was commenting on how Tarantino likes to make statements about the audience watching his movies, or rather let the audience realize the statement about "meta", or a sort of juxtaposition. But yeah now that you mention it, he'd never be heavy handed in that way.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Schultz is seriously the best bro. I want him to be real in real life and be a friend of mine.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Monocle
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Now that I've finally seen Django, here's my ranking.
Kill Bill > Pulp Fiction > Django Unchained > Inglourious Basterds > Jackie Brown > Reservoir Dogs > Death Proof
I watched Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, and both volumes of Kill Bill a few days before I saw Django, so I'm fairly confident about this list. It's really hard to put anything above Pulp Fiction, but Kill Bill totally changed my relationship with cinema. Turns out it still holds up for me, so I've kept it at the top.
Death Proof is awesome, even though it's my least favorite Tarantino film. I really do love it, and I have no time for people who say it's a bad movie. Kurt Russell is too good. The car scenes are too satisfying. And the ending... Well, the ending speaks for itself.
Kill Bill > Pulp Fiction > Django Unchained > Inglourious Basterds > Jackie Brown > Reservoir Dogs > Death Proof
I watched Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, and both volumes of Kill Bill a few days before I saw Django, so I'm fairly confident about this list. It's really hard to put anything above Pulp Fiction, but Kill Bill totally changed my relationship with cinema. Turns out it still holds up for me, so I've kept it at the top.
Death Proof is awesome, even though it's my least favorite Tarantino film. I really do love it, and I have no time for people who say it's a bad movie. Kurt Russell is too good. The car scenes are too satisfying. And the ending... Well, the ending speaks for itself.
pretty close to mine with one adjustment.
Kill Bill > Pulp Fiction > Inglourious Basterds > Django Unchained > Jackie Brown > Reservoir Dogs > Death Proof
I will say Walz and Decaprio's performances were the two best performances of any of his film (along with CW in IG)
See You Next Wednesday
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You keep asking if I'm kidding you. I am not kidding with you.
Man, c'mon.
They heard a small noise? How do you think that small noise would be interpreted by the two characters standing outside that room? You think the two gunslingers thought IT WAS MAYBE A FUCKING GUNSHOT? Especially the one who KNOWS SCHULTZ HAS A WEAPON THAT MAKES EXACTLY THAT NOISE?
Maybe it was a cake-related accident. Are you kidding me?
Seriously though - the editing in that scene is sloppy, because it actually INTRODUCES questions in the mind of the audience, questions that the text of the movie isn't intending to ask. Especially since it doesn't take "a few seconds" to process what happens. It's like THIRTY seconds. A full half-a-minute. Long enough for Stephen to go running across the room like "WAAAAAAAAAA" while the two gunslingers in he room just kinda goggle at what's happened as opposed to REACTING, which is what they'd do.
And again - if you're going to have them just standing there, you need to SELL that, visually, because there's no dialog to convey the info as to WHY they're just fucking standing there. The editing of the scene doesn't. It makes things confusing, and not in a story-appropriate way. It's slightly botched. Luckily, the gunfight gets going shortly afterward, so it's easy to forget the rough transition.
There's a couple moments in Django in which the awesomeness that follows the setup is enough that you forget the setup wasn't exactly all that good. The moment that follows this scene is so fucking mindbending, forgiving the catalyst for not sticking its landing is easier.
Where the hell are you getting they knew he had a derringer gun?
He was a bored rich German trying to con them. They had NO idea, NO prediction, NO expectations (neither Django or the bodyguard) that he would do what he did. He wanted to leave badly, there was nothing for them to expect he would do what he did.
He extended his hand for a handshake & then something unexpected happened, no semi competent Director would have played that scene any different from Tarantino.
I enjoyed the movie, Schultz needs his own movie as the lead, Candie is my villain of the year by a mile, the gun fights felt awesome and satisfying, the music was fantastic and Hilde is a gorgeous character...
But dear god did I not give a shit about Django or his arc. Just boring to watch and nothing satisfying as a character... I don't know if it was Foxx or the script, but yeah... I didn't get a badass vibe nor really gave a shit towards the end.
And the movie was long in the tooth...
But dear god did I not give a shit about Django or his arc. Just boring to watch and nothing satisfying as a character... I don't know if it was Foxx or the script, but yeah... I didn't get a badass vibe nor really gave a shit towards the end.
And the movie was long in the tooth...
Even if he was real, he'd be dead by now too!
Bobby Roberts
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I don't think in the three times you've responded to me that you've actually addressed the part where I'm talking about the editing of the scene after the gunshot, and how it makes the characters reactions look weird. You keep trying to explain things to me I ALREADY KNOW, I'm trying to point out how the editing makes those things play out strangely, because they do. It's not a matter of Schultz's actions being misunderstood or confusing (because they aren't), it's a matter of how the characters reacting to those actions looks/feels weird thanks to the editing.
in regards to your questions (Are we just leaving this scene to be completely unspoiled in here now, btw? I was blacking out the details because it's a pretty key scene)
Django's seen Schultz use the weapon before. Probably many times. He knows what that gun sounds like, and should know instantly what's just happened off the sound alone. Butch is also a violent man - I'm going to assume, as people who have killed many men in their life, they both know what the fuck a gunshot sounds like. Even if it's a tiny derringer they weren't expecting to be in the house. Again - it's not a cake-related accident.
I'm not saying they couldn't be so surprised that almost 30 seconds go by before either of them do something that should be, for both characters, instinctual. I'm saying that the editing is sloppy enough that it resides in this weird between-place: Either the editor should be holding on Schultz and never cutting back to those two until AFTER he delivers his apology, or if you're going to cut to those two before he apologizes, it should be way tighter so their reactions feel more urgent while maintaining that sense of confusion.
I'm not saying they couldn't be so surprised that almost 30 seconds go by before either of them do something that should be, for both characters, instinctual. I'm saying that the editing is sloppy enough that it resides in this weird between-place: Either the editor should be holding on Schultz and never cutting back to those two until AFTER he delivers his apology, or if you're going to cut to those two before he apologizes, it should be way tighter so their reactions feel more urgent while maintaining that sense of confusion.
I'm sure it's been said many times already, but I just want to say it again; Samuel L. Jackson was amazing in this movie. He was a despicable character, but damn - I found him to be incredibly engaging. It's a wonderful twist on his usual 'angry black man' schtick too.
He deserves an oscar nom for this role.
He deserves an oscar nom for this role.
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, having to explain myself three times makes it seem like I have a HUGE problem choking down that scene. I don't - I just think it's weirdly cut, and a pretty decent example of the flabbiness of the film's editing in general. It's just an example. Once the shootout itself begins about 1 minute later, whatever weirdness there was is pretty much discarded.
absolutely but crowded field in Supporting actor category this year. 3 worthy from this film alone.
cj_iwakura
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Boy is the script great so far. Lots of added stuff too.
So I finally got a chance to watch Django Unchained today. Speaking as someone who's not the biggest fan of Tarantino (and hated Inglorious Basterds) I have to say this is really entertaining and well made film.
Unfortunately, the films goes south (no pun intended) at the 3/4 mark. The turning point for me was when
After that, the film loses its focus and kinda meanders towards the finish line. All in all, it was worth the price of admission, due to the audience reactions, but a disappointing finish.
Unfortunately, the films goes south (no pun intended) at the 3/4 mark. The turning point for me was when
Schultz shoots Candie. It was totally out of character for him to do this. He had already secured release for Brunhilde and he and Django were ready to leave Candieland alive. There was no reason at all for him to do that and inflict all the bloodshed to follow.
Biff
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I'd go with KB>PF>IB>DU>RD>DP>>>>>>JB
I do think that in the history of Tarantino movies, Dicaprio's performance in DU is the best of all. He really, really deserves an Oscar for it. Waltz in IB is a very arguable second. Waltz in DU felt too forced for me... He worked his magic with what he was given, but Tarantino did him a disservice by giving him a very similar character to work with.
And out of all of QT's cameos in his movies, this was by far his worst. I'm not going to spoil where or when it happened, but seriously,
if you know you can't pull of an Aussie accent, what the fuck are you doing writing it into your part? I love QT but this really pissed me off that he would go that far.
I liked QT's cameo in Pulp. The rest have been trash though, and that includes his cameos/starring roles in other director's films too.
Really?
I'd put
RD - Harvey Keitel
PF - Samuel L Jackson
JB - Samuel L Jackson
KB - Uma Thurman
IB - Christoph Waltz
DU - Samuel L Jackson
All over Leo.
LOL @ my list too - you'd never know I pretty much loathe Jackson outside of QT films for almost 15 years now worth of phoning it in/playing the token angry black man.
Really?
I'd put
RD - Harvey Keitel
PF - Samuel L Jackson
JB - Samuel L Jackson
KB - Uma Thurman
IB - Christoph Waltz
DU - Samuel L Jackson
All over Leo.
LOL @ my list too - you'd never know I pretty much loathe Jackson outside of QT films for almost 15 years now worth of phoning it in/playing the token angry black man.
Kind of agree with everything spoiler tagged. After
candieland
Dialogue and music drew me to Tarantino films. The music was forgettable, and I found the dialogue scenes with the girls to be extremely shrill, and kinda forced. I don't know if it was the cast or the writing, but that movie was the only thing from QT that I dislike. PEACE.
meltingparappa
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I cannot convince you to go back in time and alter memories and enjoy that part of the film, but I really liked that twist because
at the start of the film, Schultz views slavery as a failure and an inconvenience, but he becomes increasingly horrified by it the further his journey takes him. For all of his reminders to Django to never break character, and how many times Django was reaching for his gun about to lose control, it's Schultz who reaches his breaking point and can't stand it anymore.
He even apologizes afterwards right before he's shot, knowing that his outburst likely screwed Django and his wife.
He even apologizes afterwards right before he's shot, knowing that his outburst likely screwed Django and his wife.
I think it made his character really interesting.
blainethemono
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from this - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...no-django-unchained_n_2340987.html?ref=topbar
The whole interview goes into a lot more detail. It all comes down to Schultz' personality.
it was two guys who each feel that they always have to be on top butting heads, and he refused to submit to Candie by shaking his hand
This may sound terrible but did anyone find schultz a little preachy? Not being against slavery that's cool, but always sort of acting like Europeans are God's gift to mankind.
All i could think of is "in eighty years Germany looks like pretty savage too." In no way am i for slavery and he is pointing out how backwards and ridiculous it is but that sort of struck me.
All i could think of is "in eighty years Germany looks like pretty savage too." In no way am i for slavery and he is pointing out how backwards and ridiculous it is but that sort of struck me.
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Edit: and fixed. Too late though. :|
meltingparappa
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Tarantino said in an interview that Basterds painted the Germans in a cartoonishly evil light, and this was his way of apologizing a little.
Hmm ok. Thanks for the insight
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meltingparappa
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That last sentence in that interview, that they
is so great and subversive of everything we expect in a typical film.
were flat out wrong
ClovingWestbrook
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Just saw it. Masterpiece. Best movie of the year. Pure genius.
So he decided to paint Southerners in a cartoonishly evil light?
DiCaprio to play nice Southern man in QT's next one.
Death Proof showed me that watching women sit around and talk is the most boring shit in the world. It was only good when they were shutted up.
After watching Jackie Brown and re-watching/thinking at some length some of the Tarantino films I've already seen, I've revised my earlier ranking.
Inglourious Basterds > Pulp Fiction > Jackie Brown > Kill Bill Vol. 2 > Reservoir Dogs > Django Unchained > Kill Bill Vol. 1 > Death Proof
I really disliked Kill Bill Vol. 1, but Vol. 2 was miles ahead and did a lot to salvage the whole project for me. Unfortunately it's only half of a movie, but since I liked it much more I decided to rank it separately this time. I didn't think that Death Proof was shitty or anything, but it definitely felt like the weakest Tarantino movie to me. Jackie Brown was very good but it felt less Tarantino-y than any of his other movies. It was a great crime film but it didn't feel mind-blowing in the way that his best films did.
Inglourious Basterds > Pulp Fiction > Jackie Brown > Kill Bill Vol. 2 > Reservoir Dogs > Django Unchained > Kill Bill Vol. 1 > Death Proof
I really disliked Kill Bill Vol. 1, but Vol. 2 was miles ahead and did a lot to salvage the whole project for me. Unfortunately it's only half of a movie, but since I liked it much more I decided to rank it separately this time. I didn't think that Death Proof was shitty or anything, but it definitely felt like the weakest Tarantino movie to me. Jackie Brown was very good but it felt less Tarantino-y than any of his other movies. It was a great crime film but it didn't feel mind-blowing in the way that his best films did.
Count Dookkake
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Ha. I suspected as much.
This is going to be an endless chain of revenge movies...
Discotheque
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It loses steam in the third act but I think I liked this movie more than Basterds. Nothing here is as good as the drinking game scene though.
loved Christoph Waltz (could have done with even more moments between Schultz and Django, they were a good partnership) and Leo but Samuel L Jackson was the standout here.
Jamie Foxx did pretty good. I hope he shut all the Idris fanboys up.
I think Kill Bill vol. 2 was a better western though.
loved Christoph Waltz (could have done with even more moments between Schultz and Django, they were a good partnership) and Leo but Samuel L Jackson was the standout here.
Jamie Foxx did pretty good. I hope he shut all the Idris fanboys up.
I think Kill Bill vol. 2 was a better western though.
BananaBomb
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that one was one of the most beautiful ironies in the film. that might even be my favorite part.
Xander51
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I agree with this! Kill Bill Vol 2 had more of the vibe I was hoping for out of Django. Loved Waltz though. The movie lost a little steam for me once they went on the quest for Broomhilda and only Leo saved it for me.
I really liked it. Biggest complaint is that it goes on for too long, with the entire 3rd (?) act of
feeling very tacked on and anticlimactic (and unnecessary). I would've lopped that off and replaced it with more scenes of Schultz and Django bounty hunting, they had a great relationship and it was just a fun take on the usual student/teacher stuff. That way when Django
Other than that, I thought the individual scenes weren't quite as good as Inglourious Basterds; it certainly didn't have that ridiculously high-stakes, compressed tension of the bar scene or the opening scene of IB. That said, it came together far better just because I didn't think the parallel story lines of IB worked completely and this is just a much more focused movie with just the one plot.
Also, Samuel L. Jackson easily stole the show. Great character, inspired performance. Hope he gets a shot come the Oscars, even though it might be a pretty packed field this year.
returning to Candieland
shoots the shit out of everyone, both times, it would probably feel a tad bit more satisfying.
Other than that, I thought the individual scenes weren't quite as good as Inglourious Basterds; it certainly didn't have that ridiculously high-stakes, compressed tension of the bar scene or the opening scene of IB. That said, it came together far better just because I didn't think the parallel story lines of IB worked completely and this is just a much more focused movie with just the one plot.
Also, Samuel L. Jackson easily stole the show. Great character, inspired performance. Hope he gets a shot come the Oscars, even though it might be a pretty packed field this year.
I read the Huffington Post interview, and I don't think QT sold that part of Schultz's personality at all. That subtext wasn't really there.
I disagree. While I understand your complaint in terms of mood - the movie was kinda long at that point already - I think the act is completely necessary.
If anything, I would've wanted a shorter dinner scene.
I disagree. While I understand your complaint in terms of mood - the movie was kinda long at that point already - I think the act is completely necessary.
because without that last act then you have a story about a white guy that rescues a black man and his wife. It's actually quite a thoughtful touch for QT to put in that last bit - with Django engineering his own escape and revenge, and riding the proverbial SADDLE-FREE horse. I appreciate that Django was free, self-sufficient and overcomes Jackson's character (and the implications of that character) at the end.
If anything, I would've wanted a shorter dinner scene.
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ok i don't completely get why the majority of y'all is ranking death proof so low. the dialogue runs a bit, it reminds me of reservoir dogs less editing, buuuuuuut everything else is so solid. i'd rank his movies thus:
pulp fiction > reservoir dogs > kill bill > death proof > inglourious basterds = jackie brown
django unchained so far unranked, til i get a viewing, natch. unfortunately i felt basterds miscast aldo, brad pitt didn't sell that character to me. and jackie brown was forgettable, a bummer.
pulp fiction > reservoir dogs > kill bill > death proof > inglourious basterds = jackie brown
django unchained so far unranked, til i get a viewing, natch. unfortunately i felt basterds miscast aldo, brad pitt didn't sell that character to me. and jackie brown was forgettable, a bummer.
Bobby Roberts
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Jackie Brown is a movie that works more the older you get. Which makes it all the more amazing because there's no WAY Quentin, at the age he was when he made it, should have been able to tap into that sort of existential EXHAUSTION that almost all of the main characters are operating within.
Jackie Brown is a movie you sorta age into, but you never age out of.
Jackie Brown is a movie you sorta age into, but you never age out of.
I agree that
Django going on without Schultz
the dinner scene up to where Schultz shoots Candie
I want Django to get to that point (since
every student must eventually lose/outgrow their teacher, and especially so in this movie
Garrett 2U
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I was disappointed with the plot of Django.
The character development and action was all really awesome, but the story was extremely cliche.
And perhaps that was the point, to be a modern western.
But with QT, I kind of expect a few twists in the story.
Still a great movie though.
The character development and action was all really awesome, but the story was extremely cliche.
"damsel in distress, lone gunslinger takes on apprentice that happens to be a natural"
But with QT, I kind of expect a few twists in the story.
Still a great movie though.
Tim the Wiz
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I assume everyone who ranks Jackie Brown low is an adolescent. (Note: They don't actually have to be an adolescent.)
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whelp, a review is in order as the last time i watched it was nearly a decade ago. but just watching some clips of it on youtube i can get what you mean about that ennui oozing off grier and forster.
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