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Here's a great article from the New Yorker, it's a week old but I still thought it'd be worth sharing:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/03/iphone-factories-chinese-dreams.html

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Every so often, the American public gets worked up over conditions inside the factories that make its goods. In the nineteen-nineties, Kathie Lee Gifford came under attack for allegedly manufacturing her clothing line in overseas sweatshops. Brands from Nike to Walmart have been accused at various times of labor abuses. Now factory workers are back in the news because of a theater performer named Mike Daisey. His account of visiting a plant in China where Apple manufactures iPads and iPhones—where he supposedly interviewed workers who were underage or had been poisoned or maimed on the job—was the basis of a one-man show and a popular episode of the public-radio program “This American Life.” It was also a fraud. According to an investigation by Rob Schmitz, the China correspondent for the public-radio program “Marketplace,” Daisey fabricated characters and details to exaggerate the grimness of factory life. The ensuing debate has focussed on journalistic values and the nature of truth. But Daisey’s larger point—that Chinese factories are oppressive, and that our desire for cheap goods makes them so—remains unchallenged. Why invent facts if the reality is bad enough?

Far from being radically innovative, Daisey approached the story of Chinese manufacturing as almost every journalist before him had done. First, find a factory that makes iPhones, or Barbie dolls, or American flags, or Mardi Gras beads—anything to establish a connection with the American reader. Talk to a few workers laboring under conditions that no American could accept. Then write a story that neatly connects reader and subject, in a global supply chain of consumption and guilt. A young woman makes less than a dollar an hour stitching your running shoes. A young man jumps off a factory roof after working overtime to assemble your iPad. The gadgets embody the injustice of the system that created them: What’s wrong with a world in which a worker on an iPhone assembly line can’t even afford to buy one? As “This American Life” host Ira Glass put it at the end of the episode retracting the original Daisey broadcast, “As somebody who owns these products, should I feel bad?”

The simple narrative equating American demand and Chinese suffering is appealing, especially at a time when many Americans feel guilty about their impact on the world. It’s also inaccurate and disrespectful. We must be peculiarly self-obsessed to imagine we have the power to drive tens of millions of people on the other side of the world to migrate and suffer in terrible ways. China produces goods for markets all over the world, including for its own consumers, thanks to low costs, a large and educated workforce, and a flexible manufacturing system that responds rapidly to market demands. To imagine that we have willed this universe into being is simply solipsistic. It is also demeaning to the workers. We are not at the center of this story—we are minor players in theirs. By focussing on ourselves and our gadgets, we have reduced the human beings at the other end to invisibility, as tiny and interchangeable as the parts of a mobile phone.

Chinese workers are not forced into factories because of our insatiable desire for iPods. They choose to leave their farming villages for the city in order to earn money, to learn new skills, to improve themselves, and to see the world. And they are forever changed by the experience. In the latest debate over factory conditions, what’s been missing are the voices of the workers. Here are a few:

Bao Yongxiu: My mother tells me to come home and get married. But if I marry now before I have fully developed myself, I can only marry an ordinary worker. So I’m not in a rush.

Chen Ying: When I went home for the new year, everyone said I had changed so much. They asked me, “What did you do that you have changed so much?” I told them that I studied and worked hard. If you tell them more, they won’t understand anyway.

Wu Chunming: Even if I make a lot of money, it won’t satisfy me. Just to make money is not enough meaning in life.

Xiao Jin: Now after I get off work I study English, because in the future our customers won’t be only Chinese. So we need to learn more languages.

I spent two years getting to know assembly-line workers in the south China factory city of Dongguan while writing a book, “Factory Girls,” about their lives. Certain subjects came up over and over: How much money they made, what their bosses were like, what kinds of husbands they hoped to find, whether they should jump to another factory or stay put. Other things they barely mentioned, such as living conditions that most Americans would see as only a step up from prison life: ten or fifteen workers to a room, fifty people sharing one bathroom, days and nights ruled by the factory clock. Everyone they knew lived in similar circumstances, and it was still better than the school dormitories and village homes of rural China. The workers rarely spoke about the products they manufactured, and they often had difficulty explaining what they did. What a factory made was never the point; what mattered was what they had personally gained there, how they had challenged their boss or gotten a raise or met a best friend or a boyfriend. They could not have cared less who was buying their products.

Journalistic coverage of Chinese factories, in contrast, plays up the relation between workers and their products. Many articles calculate how long a worker would have to labor to buy the item coming off his production line; an entry-level worker on an iPhone assembly line, for example, would have to shell out two and a half months’ wages for one. But how meaningful is this calculation? I recently wrote an article for The New Yorker (about reading habits in China), yet I can’t afford to buy an ad in the magazine. So what? I don’t want an ad in The New Yorker, just as these workers do not necessarily desire iPhones. Their reckonings are different: How much money can I save at this job? How long should I stay? And later: How much do I need to buy an apartment or a car, to get married or put my child through school?

When I first met Lu Qingmin, one of two young women I profiled in my book, eight years ago, she had just quit her first job on the assembly line of an electronics plant. Good handwriting landed her a better position as a clerk in a mobile-phone factory. Four months later she moved to a rubber-components factory, against the wishes of her parents back home on the farm. She met her first serious boyfriend at a Hong Kong handbag manufacturer, but left when their relationship soured. A lucrative purchasing job in a hardware factory led her to open her first bank account and think about her future. As I got to know Qingmin, the factories where she worked seemed to recede from view. They were backdrops to her drama of self-transformation—nothing more.

Since then, Qingmin has married a fellow migrant, moved to his family’s village, and given birth to two daughters. (As with many migrants, her mobility and financial stability allowed her to skirt the government’s policy limiting most families to one child.) She recently returned to Dongguan alone, to work in the purchasing department of a factory that makes construction cranes, temporarily leaving her husband and children at home. “A person should have some ambition while she is young,” she wrote me earlier this month, “so that in old age she can look back on her life and feel that it was not lived to no purpose.”

Across China, there are a hundred and fifty million migrant workers, a third of them women, who have left their villages to work in the factories, restaurants, hotels, and construction sites of the cities. They represent the largest migration in human history; their experiences have changed the way they work and marry and live and think. Very few of them would want to return to the way things used to be. Should you feel bad? I don’t think so. But whether you do or not is peripheral to a much larger and more important story.

I bolded some parts, but you should read the whole piece.
 
To me it seems that this article misses the point on people who are concerned about the conditions of the factories.

Nobody gives a shit about "how long they have to work to purchase an iPad", why they work, what they are saving up for, and what not.

What concerns people are the conditions they work in and their long working hours. Why do I want to support a country that treats their employees with the same standards we did 100 years ago?

Not saying that I am in complete step with those people but I do believe this article misunderstands the concerns.
 
To me it seems that this article misses the point on most people's anti-slave labor theories.

Nobody gives a shit about "how long they have to work to purchase an iPad", why they work, what they are saving up for, and what not.

What concerns people are the conditions they work in and their long working hours. Why do I want to support a country that treats their employees with the same standards we did 100 years ago?

Not saying that I am in complete step with those people but I do believe this article misunderstands the concerns.

lol "slave labor."
 
It is staggering to see how fast China's economy is growing. I could only imagine how far along they would be now if they went through a democratic (capitalist) revolution instead of a communist one.

lol "slave labor."

I was this close in putting that in quotations, because that's how I often see people talk about them.

Again as I said in the post. I am not exactly in lockstep with those views people express.

Personally I'd say I am in the middle ground but leaning more toward the "its just a awkward, sad, yet necessary phase to develop the economy" people.

However I do think this article misrepresents the concerns of the other side.
 
Journalistic coverage of Chinese factories, in contrast, plays up the relation between workers and their products. Many articles calculate how long a worker would have to labor to buy the item coming off his production line; an entry-level worker on an iPhone assembly line, for example, would have to shell out two and a half months’ wages for one. But how meaningful is this calculation? I recently wrote an article for The New Yorker (about reading habits in China), yet I can’t afford to buy an ad in the magazine. So what? I don’t want an ad in The New Yorker, just as these workers do not necessarily desire iPhones. Their reckonings are different: How much money can I save at this job? How long should I stay? And later: How much do I need to buy an apartment or a car, to get married or put my child through school?

yeah this is a really good point. it's important to make working conditions at the factory safe for work, etc. of course, but these comparisons are sort of pointless. Can these factory workers afford a working class level of life? My understanding is alot of these people are leaving poverty and dead ends in less promising circumstances.

Often times what makes people happy is knowing there lot in life in context of their environments. Workers will probably be happy if wages are high enough to do that.
 
I can’t afford to buy an ad in the magazine. So what? I don’t want an ad in The New Yorker, just as these workers do not necessarily desire iPhones.

Terrible comparison. Advertising in a product you worked on is not the same as buying the product you worked on. I wonder can he afford to buy a copy of The New Yorker.
 
I agree with both sides of this "issue". The sensationalist reporting, while misleading, is for an ultimately good cause. These workers can hardly complain if their life and work conditions are improved as a result of political pressure from the consumer population.

However I also agree with the author's thesis That, by focusing solely on our own responsibility and influence regarding their lives, we're marginalizing the workers themselves. While some may say it's silly to nitpick over small stuff like this, I would ask them to consider that the whole reason there is a problem over Foxconn's worker treatment is because people living in first world countries have no empathetic connection to the people who make their relatively blissful lives possible, and so forget about them until they become a popular news story.
 
I agree with both sides of this "issue". The sensationalist reporting, while misleading, is for an ultimately good cause. These workers can hardly complain if their life and work conditions are improved as a result of political pressure from the consumer population.

However I also agree with the author's thesis That, by focusing solely on our own responsibility and influence regarding their lives, we're marginalizing the workers themselves. While some may say it's silly to nitpick over small stuff like this, I would like to say that the whole reason this is an issue is because people living in First world countries have no empathetic connection to the people who make their relatively blissful lives possible.

Actually, a lot of them have been complaining about work hours being reduced.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/30/apple-foxconn-workers-idUSL3E8EU4I820120330
 
To me it seems that this article misses the point on people who are concerned about the conditions of the factories.

Nobody gives a shit about "how long they have to work to purchase an iPad", why they work, what they are saving up for, and what not.

What concerns people are the conditions they work in and their long working hours. Why do I want to support a country that treats their employees with the same standards we did 100 years ago?

Not saying that I am in complete step with those people but I do believe this article misunderstands the concerns.

I agree that it misses the point on people who are concerned with the conditions of the factories, but I think it has a larger point to make about the people who are apparently suffering. The fact of the matter is given the state and population of China, a lot of these conditions are just... well, they're acceptable. Perhaps they shouldn't be, but we're coming largely from the perspective of nations that exported our factory jobs to these other countries in the first place.
 
True. Question still stands.

Uh, it's a one-sentence summation of an issue about whether or not the people who make our consumer goods will ever, themselves, see the benefits of their work, or even if they want to?

As Phoenix points out it's not all that accurate, but...
 
Actually, a lot of them have been complaining about work hours being reduced.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/30/apple-foxconn-workers-idUSL3E8EU4I820120330



Reuters said:
Foxconn said it will reduce working hours to 49 per week, including overtime.


Reuters said:
"We have just been told that we can only work a maximum of 36 hours a month of overtime. I tell you, a lot of us are unhappy with this. We think that 60 hours of overtime a month would be reasonable and that 36 hours would be too little," she added. Chen said she now earned a bit over 4,000 yuan a month ($634).

So in short: "I get paid so shitty that I need to work insane hours to make ends meet. Now they are taking away my insane hours so I have to work not so insane hours but I need them because I get paid shit."

It seems like there is an alternative solution to this.

I agree that it misses the point on people who are concerned with the conditions of the factories, but I think it has a larger point to make about the people who are apparently suffering. The fact of the matter is given the state and population of China, a lot of these conditions are just... well, they're acceptable. Perhaps they shouldn't be, but we're coming largely from the perspective of nations that exported our factory jobs to these other countries in the first place.

I am very well aware of that.

On one hand we essentially transfered our manufacturing jobs so people in another country could have a chance to manufacture things but they didn't get our working rights.

On the other hand Capitalism has been proven to be the only system to move countries out of poverty. And this is the best way to do it. In other words, its a shitty situation but it has to be done.
 
So in short: "I get paid so shitty that I need to work insane hours to make ends meet. Now they are taking away my insane hours so I have to work not so insane hours but I need them because I get paid shit."

It seems like there is an alternative solution to this.

Do you even know how much it costs to live in China? 4000 yuan a month is not bad at all. That's not considered poor at all.
 
So in short: "I get paid so shitty that I need to work insane hours to make ends meet. Now they are taking away my insane hours so I have to work not so insane hours but I need them because I get paid shit."
Reuters said:
Foxconn's concessions, including cutting overtime for its 1.2 million mainland Chinese workers while promising compensation that protects them against losing income, we re backed by Apple, which has faced criticism and media scrutiny for worker safety lapses and for using relatively low-paid employees to make high-cost phones, computers and other gadgets.

But at the Foxconn factory gates, many workers seemed unconvinced that their pay wouldn't be cut along with their hours. For some Chinese factory workers - who make much of their income from long hours of overtime - the idea of less work for the same pay could take getting used to.
It's not that they're getting paid less (hopefully), but that they're so conditioned to think "more hours = more money", they can't accept that Foxconn will cut hours without cutting their incomes.

Whether Foxconn/Apple will follow through on these compensations is another thing entirely but at least it's on the table.

I'm just going by what the people say in the article. "I need to make ends meet".
No one said this. They're working overtime simply because they want more money and the option to get more money is available to them.
Reuters said:
Outside the Foxconn plant, off-duty employees crowded a small shopping mall. Their tightly packed apartment blocks are hemmed by hair salons, snack stores, gaming arcades and Internet "bars", where many while away leisure hours by playing computer games or watching Korean and Hong Kong soap operas.

"I don't go out that much as there is nothing much to do. I do go out for a meal once in a while," said Huang Hai, a 21-year-old man who said he had worked at Foxconn's factory for about two years.
They're not worried about being unable to make ends meet, they're worried about being unable to join in the Capitalism party.
 
It is staggering to see how fast China's economy is growing. I could only imagine how far along they would be now if they went through a democratic (capitalist) revolution instead of a communist one.

What makes you think a democracy would adopt capitalism and grow the economy faster than the current autocratic system has?
 
True. Question still stands.

I think it relates to the point in the article that people so often relate the money being made by the workers to the product they manufacture rather than to the conditions of their peers in other industries. It's an easy relation to make for journos but doesn't really address whether these workers are unable to live on their wages and whether their lives are improved by working in the factory. Basically, it's asking do these workers aspire to have the products they make or are they working toward other aspirations?

The point the author is trying to make is that despite the factory conditions, these jobs allow a greater financial stability and higher aspirations for workers. I think the author was pointing out that though the working conditions are harsh, Chinese workers are able to work and find hapiness in their work and even excel in relation to other Chinese people due to the jobs. They aren't trapped in a nightmarish helljob but rather choose to sacrifice in order to build a better future for themselves.

It doesn't really change the fact that conditions need to improve in the long term but it does provide a more full picture of how things stand for these workers.


Put apple/ipad in title of article to get hits.

I didn't know chinese workers only produced ipads.

*cynic.

There has been a great deal of controversy about Foxconn factory workers specifically in relation to Apple products. While they do make other products, the author is specifically addressing articles on that controversy so what's shocking about using an Apple product in the title?
 
What makes you think a democracy would adopt capitalism and grow the economy faster than the current autocratic system has?

I was talking about an alternative future where Mao didn't get power but a revolutionary who adopted Western policies of democracy and capitalism instead. Not saying if they magically switched today.

No one said this. They're working overtime simply because they want more money and the option to get more money is available to them.

They're not worried about being unable to make ends meet, they're worried about being unable to join in the Capitalism party.

I originally read it from a different perspective. I understand what you mean now that I've read it a second time. My mistake.
 
I think it relates to the point in the article that people so often relate the money being made by the workers to the product they manufacture rather than to the conditions of their peers in other industries. It's an easy relation to make for journos but doesn't really address whether these workers are unable to live on their wages and whether their lives are improved by working in the factory.

The point the author is trying to make is that despite the factory conditions, these jobs allow a greater financial stability and higher aspirations for workers. I think the author was pointing out that though the working conditions are harsh, Chinese workers are able to work and find hapiness in their work and even excel in relation to other Chinese people due to the jobs. They aren't trapped in a nightmarish helljob but rather choose to sacrifice in order to build a better future for themselves.

It doesn't really change the fact that conditions need to improve in the long term but it does provide a more full picture of how things stand for these workers.

It's a pretty shallow conclusion that Chinese workers are working for an Ipad. They are working for a better way of life. I bet they give two shits about device they use to interface with the internet.
 
It's a pretty shallow conclusion that Chinese workers are working for an Ipad. They are working for a better way of life. I bet they give two shits about device they use to interface with the internet.

Yes, that's what the article tries to convey; you should read it.
 
It's a pretty shallow conclusion that Chinese workers are working for an Ipad. They are working for a better way of life. I bet they give two shits about device they use to interface with the internet.
You've given me a lot to think about...

DOT DOT DOT
 
Every Chinese person I know is desperate for iPhones and iPads, they love that stuff. So I;m sure most factory workers would like to buy one eventually. Not that this is really relevant to the point of the article, but the idea that they wouldn't like these goods is false.
 
You are probably way more likely to know more middle-class Chinese people than factory workers though, yeah?
 
In the end, most of those people have little chances for going up the social ladder - they are not sons/daughters of communist officials, they come from under-developed Western provinces, etc. All they can do is work hard, get money, go back to their village and be someone.

By Western standards the pay is little, but with overtime, this can add up over long period. My guess is 10 years working in Guandong province will get you money to get a house, furnish it, and a good Chinese-branded car in one of interior provinces. And then you are someone.
 
Actually, a lot of them have been complaining about work hours being reduced.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/30/apple-foxconn-workers-idUSL3E8EU4I820120330

That's because it's a horseshit limit. They call it a serious violation because people were working more than 60 hours a week? Half the people I know work more than 60 hours a week. And now they're forced down to 49, which is barely over a normal work week. I can understand why they'd be upset, even if the wages will go up to (somewhat) cover the lost hours.

Can you imagine if that was the limit in the US? Skyrim would've released in 2017.
 
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