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[Median]

Actually i don't mind either of thoughs perks. i do hate martydom in hardcore people are dumb to put that on. some of the weapons just seem quirky going through prestige mode i decided to just 150 kills with everything and thats it. some guns are crazy like the RPD. i was taking out people across the map with that. just doesn't seem right being able to do that with a LMG.

I was playing a Team Deathmatch match on Bog last night and this one guy was just absolutely mowing down everything in sight with the RPD. It wasn't even as if he was spraying at us a lot, he was deadly accurate with it and killed people in two shots tops. Game ended and this guy had over 40 kills. I understand that this guy was probably really good, but I'm not terrible myself. If you've got over 40 kills like that it screams to me that something is unbalanced, maybe not the gun itself but a combination of the gun and one or more perks. I hope the patch fixes that up.

 

[CHYME]

He's probably referring to the shitty matchmaking, which is really shitty.

Nope. I was referring to the gameplay.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

Why are you posting garbage that has no relevance? No one has made this claim. Oh wait, you were trying to be funny? Oh. Well then, :lol... Feel better now?

Anyway, I've never encountered any cheating in CoD4. I think I have about 2 full days of game time online. Grenade spamming is what gets to me.

I'm guessing your refering to the fuckers who toss three frags randomly and kill you? I hate that shit. Mostly because when I try it, I come up empty.

 

[Core407]

Uh.. what is so unbalanced about it?

It's horribly unbalanced and the perk system is a good idea done horribly.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

It's horribly unbalanced and the perk system is a good idea done horribly.

Wahh I keep getting hit by airstrikes and helis!

You were already torn apart in your whine thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225473

Yet all the while, CoD4 remains to be the only game you play. How interesting.

 

[zenbot]

I haven't noticed any particularly egregious cheating in the 360 version, which I've been beating on like a drum since its release. Unless you count getting on the roof of the centre building in Backlot cheating, which I do! Goddamn, I can never get up there myself!

 

[CHYME]

Wahh I keep getting hit by airstrikes and helis!

You were already torn apart in your whine thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225473

Yet all the while, CoD4 remains to be the only game you play. How interesting.

I was referring to the core gameplay, not airstrikes or helis. I really don't want to re-write what I had written, but I may have to.

 

[gregor7777]

bu bu bu nonsense

this is one of gaf's worst creations.

It's horribly unbalanced and the perk system is a good idea done horribly.

Aren't you the Mary who was crying over Martyrdom a while back?

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

I was referring to the core gameplay, not airstrikes or helis. I really don't want to re-write what I had written, but I may have to.

I wasn't quoting you was I?

 

[CHYME]

I'll just give you the condensed version:

This is with regard to the core gameplay/gunplay mechanics.

Attacker vs. Camper. Presuppose a 1 v 1 situation

The camper has the advantage.

Why?

- Headshots are meaningless. If the camper is taking cover behind an object and only exposing his head, he doesn't risk the effect of a headshot (1 hit kill). Most guns require 2 headshots to kill. In this 1 v 1 situation, the attacker will be at a huge disadvantage because whereas he exposes his entire body, the camper only exposes his head. And since 2 shots to the pelvis is as good as 2 shots to the head, and because there's no penalty for exposing such a small target, the camper will come out on top.


-Speed of the game. Extremely slow moving targets (when aiming), especially when scoped or using red dot/iron sights. In the PC version, the slow moving speed is often combated by sprinting and jumping into a gunfight (incorrectly termed bunny hopping by noobs). This works to an extent, but it's impractical to use frequently because of the noise made and the immobility acquired when landing. I might as well touch on the absolutely horrible balance between scoping and shooting from the hip. Spraying in this game is far too effective. You'll only truly need to scope when you see someone across the map. Mid-range and even mid-long range gunfights are often won by spraying from the hip, which is pretty absurd. This game rewards spray as opposed to decent aim. That was tangential but still elucidates the imbalance in this game. Spray dominates aim.


-Shooting through walls. In balanced games, such as Ravenshield for the PC, you could easily scour rooms at the entrance door by peeking quickly or using a quick juke (thanks to the engine, which allowed precise movements, unlike this momentum-based, ice-skating, Madden-type gameplay prevalent in games like CSS, and Cod 4 to a lesser extent). In Cod 4, you can't scour rooms effectively because your gun will show through the threshold, giving the camper the greenlight to anticipate your entrance, or better yet, shoot you through the wall.

Balanced? I think not. Fun? Somewhat. I've said it before and I'll say it again: This game caters to the lowest common denominator of noobs. It's not very balanced, and it barely takes any skill to kill anyone.

Edit: I play the PC version, and the gametype that is most competitive is Search and Destroy. I don't know how much the Xbox version differs, but I imagine it's pretty similar.

 

[CHYME]

I wasn't quoting you was I?

No, but you said some retarded shit earlier. Just letting you know where I stood.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

No, but you said some retarded shit earlier. Just letting you know where I stood.

:lol
Pot meet kettle.

I'll just give you the condensed version:

This is with regard to the core gameplay/gunplay mechanics.

Attacker vs. Camper. Presuppose a 1 v 1 situation

The camper has the advantage.

Why?

Camper would have the advantage in any FPS presumably just like in real life, would he not?

- Headshots are meaningless. If the camper is taking cover behind an object and only exposing his head, he doesn't risk the effect of a headshot (1 hit kill). Most guns require 2 headshots to kill. In this 1 v 1 situation, the attacker will be at a huge disadvantage because whereas he exposes his entire body, the camper only exposes his head. And since 2 shots to the pelvis is as good as 2 shots to the head, and because there's no penalty for exposing such a small target, the camper will come out on top.

Funny how the whole point of a headshot is that it takes one shot to it. Not sure why you're making shit up to try to prove your point, but it's not working. Frankly, I could care less since I play Hardcore where one shot kills regardless of the placement.

-Speed of the game. Extremely slow moving targets (when aiming), especially when scoped or using red dot/iron sights. In the PC version, the slow moving speed is often combated by sprinting and jumping into a gunfight (incorrectly termed bunny hopping by noobs). This works to an extent, but it's impractical to use frequently because of the noise made and the immobility acquired when landing. I might as well touch on the absolutely horrible balance between scoping and shooting from the hip. Spraying in this game is far too effective. You'll only truly need to scope when you see someone across the map. Mid-range and even mid-long range gunfights are often won by spraying from the hip, which is pretty absurd. This game rewards spray as opposed to decent aim. That was tangential but still elucidates the imbalance in this game. Spray dominates aim.

Basically you're crying about how the assault rifles in this game are more effective than the sniper rifles. I agree that it's fairly unrealistic that the AR can take out a sniper but guess what? It's a video-game, this is the same game where you can literally shit out a grenade turd when you die.

-Shooting through walls. In balanced games, such as Ravenshield for the PC, you could easily scour rooms at the entrance door by peeking quickly or using a quick juke (thanks to the engine, which allowed precise movements, unlike this momentum-based, ice-skating, Madden-type gameplay prevalent in games like CSS, and Cod 4 to a lesser extent). In Cod 4, you can't scour rooms effectively because your gun will show through the threshold, giving the camper the greenlight to anticipate your entrance, or better yet, shoot you through the wall.

Interesting how the campers gun poke through the textures a lot of the time so you can already seen where they're at before you enter. I've put over 10 days (250 hours) worth of play-time into this game and have encountered very little if any camping whatsoever. This coming from someone who predominantly plays Hardcore Search & Destroy. The worst camped mode of them all. It's very very easy to kill campers in this game what with 3 nades, c4, uavs, airstrikes and helis. Plus don't forget Deep Impact. The best players I know are the ones that have Extreme Conditioning on with a P90... you know - the player who camps the least.

Balanced? I think not. Fun? Somewhat. I've said it before and I'll say it again: This game caters to the lowest common denominator of noobs. It's not very balanced, and it barely takes any skill to kill anyone.

Yeah, I'll believe that bullshit when I see it. I play against some noobs and literally own them. Not bragging but we're talking my 35 kills to their 5. If I was a noob in this game, I would be frustrated as fuck. Hell just look at Core's Whine Thread for proof about getting owned by helis and airstrikes of better players.

Funny thing about your argument is that most people claim the opposite - that the game is slanted against noobs because of the perk system. You just sound like you got owned a bunch by some campers and are crying foul on the game's balance system because of it. I won't go on further since this isn't even the right thread for this kind of bitching.

 

[Sol..]

Funny how the whole point of a headshot is that it takes one shot to it. Not sure why you're making shit up to try to prove your point, but it's not working. Frankly, I could care less since I play Hardcore where one shot kills regardless of the placement.

The funny part is I don't think he's making shit up lololol.

I was with some friends not yesterday confirming that after I wailed on some dudes head with a m16. I also suspect that the hitbox for headshots is partially covered by the chest hitbox because the characters slouch so much. I've noticed some problems hitting headshots on people in the back of the head unless I aim a lil high.

 

[Scopebob Sniperpants]

Anyway, I've never encountered any cheating in CoD4. I think I have about 2 full days of game time online. Grenade spamming is what gets to me.

Fixed.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

The funny part is I don't think he's making shit up lololol.

I was with some friends not yesterday confirming that after I wailed on some dudes head with a m16. I also suspect that the hitbox for headshots is partially covered by the chest hitbox because the characters slouch so much. I've noticed some problems hitting headshots on people in the back of the head unless I aim a lil high.

One M16 burst to the head is an automatic kill in softcore CoD4.

 

[CHYME]

Lol buddy. Are you serious?

So first, you play hardcore, the nubbest shit I've ever seen. And you want to talk to me about skill? lulz. How about I shoot you in the foot and kill you. You're bad.

Camper would have the advantage in any FPS presumably just like in real life, would he not?

Obviously not, you imbecile. Do I really need to get into this?

Funny how the whole point of a headshot is that it takes one shot to it. Not sure why you're making shit up to try to prove your point, but it's not working.

Are you dense? It's well-known fact that headshots are not 1-hit kills in this game, unless you're using a sniper. Seriously, dude, you're lookin foolish.

Basically you're crying about how the assault rifles in this game are more effective than the sniper rifles. I agree that it's fairly unrealistic that the AR can take out a sniper but guess what? It's a video-game, this is the same game where you can literally shit out a grenade turd when you die.

just like in real life

Are you going to use the real-life argument or the video game argument? Pick one. I know it's a video game. I'm talking about balance, not real life.

The best players I know are the ones that have Extreme Conditioning on with a P90... you know - the player who camps the least.

lulz. If you said this on the CAL or CEVO forums, you'd get shitted on. You're clueless.


Buddy, get on my level. The day you get accused of auto aim when using a sniper and shooting a prone in mid-air with no scope is the day you'll be on my level. Until then, play your Xbox pub game and don't come here and act like you know wtf you're talking about.

 

[DarkJC]

Funny how the whole point of a headshot is that it takes one shot to it. Not sure why you're making shit up to try to prove your point, but it's not working. Frankly, I could care less since I play Hardcore where one shot kills regardless of the placement.

Except, he's not making shit up. I've seen you zealously defending CoD4 from any criticism whatsoever in every thread, so I figured you'd know this. Oh wait, you only play Hardcore, so who cares since it doesn't affect you? :lol

Look, CoD4 is a good game, but just because you play it a shitload and happen to be good doesn't mean it's got no faults and is the FPS of the forever. Maybe you don't think that, but from the way you post it's the message you're giving. It's got legitimate faults that I hope Infinity Ward takes into consideration for CoD6 or whatever their next FPS will be.

 

[raYne]

One M16 burst to the head is an automatic kill in softcore CoD4.

That's because the burst is more than one bullet. He's completely right about needing to hit the head twice (or at least damage the body, then one to the head) to kill. Unless you're using a sniper of course.

Everything else? Eh.. not really.

 

[CHYME]

Everything else? Eh.. not really.

Please do tell. Is the Xbox version different or is there something wrong with my argument?

 

[Mugen]

I was playing a Team Deathmatch match on Bog last night and this one guy was just absolutely mowing down everything in sight with the RPD. It wasn't even as if he was spraying at us a lot, he was deadly accurate with it and killed people in two shots tops. Game ended and this guy had over 40 kills. I understand that this guy was probably really good, but I'm not terrible myself. If you've got over 40 kills like that it screams to me that something is unbalanced, maybe not the gun itself but a combination of the gun and one or more perks. I hope the patch fixes that up.

That's some good reasoning. If you get over 40 kills with dead accuracy then whatever weapon you're using is overpowered and needs a downgrade.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

Lol buddy. Are you serious?

So first, you play hardcore, the nubbest shit I've ever seen. And you want to talk to me about skill? lulz. How about I shoot you in the foot and kill you. You're bad.

LULZ 35k kills with 3.0 k/d... Measure my E-Penis for me.

So basically you whine about campers and noobs ruining the game but now you're the best player in the world... man you sure changed your tune fast.

That's some good reasoning. If you get over 40 kills with dead accuracy then whatever weapon your using is overpowered and needs a downgrade.

Seriously... the only people who complain about CoD4 are the 'noobs' who get owned in it. Wahh helis and airstrikes and campers and martydom and perks!
Guess what? M16 with stopping power is unlocked from the start.
Sad thing is that Halo 3 probably has a much steeper learning curve on-line even with the ranking and matchmaking system.

 

[CHYME]

LULZ 35k kills with 3.0 k/d... Measure my E-Penis for me.

So basically you whine about campers and noobs ruining the game but now you're the best player in the world... man you sure changed your tune fast.

Special kid?

I was talking about the balance, or the lack thereof, in this game. I wasn't whining about campers and noobs, unless giving examples to support an argument is considered whining.



Edit: Something tells me Cod 4 is the only game at which you've ever been "good." All I see you do is brag about your k/d ratio and your amt. of kills. It's easy enough to get kills on the PC version; I can only imagine how much easier it'd be on Xbox live, considering there's even less recoil than in the PC version.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

Special kid?

I was talking about the balance, or the lack thereof, in this game. I wasn't whining about campers and noobs, unless giving examples to support an argument is considered whining.



Edit: Something tells me Cod 4 is the only game at which you've ever been "good." All I see you do is brag about your k/d ratio and your amt. of kills. It's easy enough to get kills on the PC version; I can only imagine how much easier it'd be on Xbox live, considering there's even less recoil than in the PC version.

You're right... Some anonymous scrub calling you a cheater is definitely more proof of skill.
:lol
The sad thing about it is that you took a screen cap of it :lol
Also.. if this isn't whining:

This game caters to the lowest common denominator of noobs. It's not very balanced, and it barely takes any skill to kill anyone.

.
I don't know what is...

 

[CHYME]

You're right... Some anonymous scrub calling you a cheater is definitely more proof of skill.
:lol
The sad thing about it is that you took a screen cap of it :lol
Also.. if this isn't whining: .
I don't know what is...

Some anonymous scrub calling me a cheater or some anonymous scrub giving me his k/d ratio on these forums like they mean anything? You're all the same.

I take hilarious screens because they amuse me when I look back at them. What's sad is you getting destroyed in this thread. You've yet to make one legit counterpoint. Go to that other thread and brag some more about your leet stats on Xbox live while playing with a P90, Extreme Conditioning, and Dead Silence on Hardcore. :lol :lol :lol

There's really not enough of :lol

 

[PedroLumpy]

Lol buddy. Are you serious?

So first, you play hardcore, the nubbest shit I've ever seen. And you want to talk to me about skill? lulz. How about I shoot you in the foot and kill you. You're bad.
lulz. If you said this on the CAL or CEVO forums, you'd get shitted on. You're clueless.
Buddy, get on my level. The day you get accused of auto aim when using a sniper and shooting a prone in mid-air with no scope is the day you'll be on my level. Until then, play your Xbox pub game and don't come here and act like you know wtf you're talking about.

Oh. My. God.

...

Gotta be a joke post. You almost had me man.

 

[zenbot]

This thread could only get worse if you guys threatened to beat each other up in real life.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

Oh. My. God.

...

Gotta be a joke post. You almost had me man.

I know.. and the sad screencap only further validates your point.

This thread could only get worse if you guys threatened to beat each other up in real life.

Seriously.. Chyme is the type of Internet loser who sucks at the game but hey ILL KICK YOUR ASS IN REAL LIFE BUDDY. YOURE NOT ON MY LEVEL.

I take hilarious screens because they amuse me when I look back at them. What's sad is you getting destroyed in this thread. You've yet to make one legit counterpoint. Go to that other thread and brag some more about your leet stats on Xbox live while playing with a P90, Extreme Conditioning, and Dead Silence on Hardcore. :lol :lol :lol

Except I dedicated an entire post full of counter-points, what was your reply? Oh yeah, a bunch of flames and emoticons. Pathetic. Funny thing is - I said my friends use that kit, I don't think I've ever used said gun or perks. Reading comprehension FTL. Again, keep posting laughing emoticons as responses, they push you closer and closer to joke account status.

 

[CHYME]

This thread could only get worse if you guys threatened to beat each other up in real life.

[sarcasm]I'd obviously kick his ass because my leet 5.3 k/d in Cod 4 proves it.[/sarcasm]

 

[Son of Godzilla]

I SEE FOR CLAYMORES!

THERE WERE FOUR CLAYMORES

 

[CHYME]

I know.. and the sad screencap only further validates your point.





Seriously.. Chyme is the type of Internet loser who sucks at the game but hey ILL KICK YOUR ASS IN REAL LIFE BUDDY. YOURE NOT ON MY LEVEL.

You're a joke.

LULZ 35k kills with 3.0 k/d

I play against some noobs and literally own them. Not bragging but we're talking my 35 kills to their 5.

You must be a joke character. Are you really that insecure that you have to talk shit to anyone who legitimately criticizes CoD 4? And you literally own people? What are they, like slaves? And I suck at the game, but you play hardcore with a p90 and you're good? :lol You lose.

You've been wrong on every single point you've made, from 1-kill headshots to campers having the advantage in every fps, so why don't you just gtfo or make some valid points. There's a severe lack of substance in your posts.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

You're a joke.






You must be a joke character. Are you really that insecure that you have to talk shit to anyone who legitimately criticizes CoD 4? And you literally own people? What are they, like slaves? And I suck at the game, but you play hardcore with a p90 and you're good? :lol You lose.

You've been wrong on every single point you've made, from 1-kill headshots to campers having the advantage in every fps, so why don't you just gtfo or make some valid points. There's a severe lack of substance in your posts.

Oh the irony.

Also you still can't read. Been through Prestige 8 times and have never used the P90. Hmm.

 

[CHYME]

Except I dedicated an entire post full of counter-points, what was your reply? Oh yeah, a bunch of flames and emoticons.

Those "counterpoints" were all garbage, as proven by others, not just me.

Funny thing is - I said my friends use that kit, I don't think I've ever used said gun or perks. Reading comprehension FTL.

You said the best players you know use that kit. Since you seem to consider yourself to be really good (after all, you literally own people, like slaves or something), it's safe to assume that you use the same kit. I don't for a second believe that you've never used a similarly nub kit. Spraying ppl with the p90 is really hard.

 

[PedroLumpy]

And you literally own people? What are they, like slaves?

Okay, joke confirmed people. Nothing to see here move along move along. Don't feed the trolls and all that.

 

[CHYME]

No one could pay me enough money to feign such Cod 4 fanboyism.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

Okay, joke confirmed people. Nothing to see here move along move along. Don't feed the trolls and all that.

Yeah, I'm done here too... he should learn to read before he joke posts next time.

 

[CHYME]

Okay, joke confirmed people. Nothing to see here move along move along. Don't feed the trolls and all that.

You're the only troll in this thread. GTFO kthx.

I'm guessing you're one of his leet friends who uses the p90 and extreme conditioning and LITERALLY own people. Yes, literally.

 

[CHYME]

Yeah, I'm done here too... he should learn to read before he joke posts next time.

Yay!! The dude who can't make a decent argument to save his life has left. Good riddance.

 

[Fusebox]

this is one of gaf's worst creations.

Gaf is great, but it didn't invent the nervous stutter, trust me. :lol

 

[Artanisix]

GUYS, I CAN HAS SHOOT PRONES IN MID-AIR WITH NO SCOPE

 

[CHYME]

You're cool.

 

[CHYME]

Some further evidence of trollish behavior. Not exclusive to this thread, it appears.

I've played over 300 hours and you sound like a whiny noob.

sounds like you're whining since you're not very good at the game.

Yeah your 1-1.5 ratio will destroy my 3.0 with 40K kills.
All you're doing is crying that the game isn't fair yet I already explained to you that the best weapon in the game is unlocked from the start. Don't have a meltdown just come up with some valid criticisms next troll.

Stop crying already, you sound bitter.

If you're dying a lot, it's nobody's fault but your own lack of skill.

stop crying like a bitter noob.

I like picking on people like him in CoD4. Quick, easy challenges like kill a player 5 times in one match.

1.2 ratio players with 30 hours play-time aren't on my radar (or UAV I should say). Sorry.

Nah, we know you suck because you keep complaining about martydom, last stand and helicopters while spouting a measly 1-1.5 ratio.

Not sure what you expected when you created this topic.. seems like a sad attempt for attention and to rile people up. Not to mention that the times you've flamed people in this topic.

Irony indeed.

Common theme? "You suck, I'm good." Hypocrite much?

 

[Artanisix]

HI MY NAME IS CHYME I AM NOT BUTTHURT AT ALL >:C

 

[derder]

Man I am so tired of hearing that. The are clearly times when martyrdom will get you when you effectively had no chance to avoid it. Don't act like a big neon sign pops out of the guys ass warning everyone to stay the fuck away. Sometimes you get caught in a small room with someone, sometimes there's to much background noise to hear the grenade drop, sometimes you run into a room where someone else just killed someone, sometimes you kill someone at that perfect distance so that you don't see the grenade indicator until right before it goes off. And don't fucking suggest I should just never go near a recently killed enemy ever. That's retarded.

Now are those fair? Maybe, maybe not, that's a whole other argument. The only way to never die to martyrdom is to camp somewhere, that's the point.

It took me a week to learn how to avoid dying from Martyrdom, if you're STILL dying from that shit, you need to rethink how you play.

 

[CHYME]

HI MY NAME IS CHYME I AM NOT BUTTHURT AT ALL >:C

Abundance of morons in this thread. >:C

 

[amar212]

It took me a week to learn how to avoid dying from Martyrdom, if you're STILL dying from that shit, you need to rethink how you play.

100% agreed.

Sometimes it can be avoided. Sometimes it can't. Whatever. It's a game. Meant for fun. In real life, escaping a frag is 100% mission impossible.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

I thought this thread was going to be about the silenced- eh, never mind.

 

[Boken]

What the fuck is going on in here. Should I play COD4 online or not? PLEASE! Will the warring CHYME and DA decide for me.

 

[Rayme]

Balanced? I think not. Fun? Somewhat. I've said it before and I'll say it again: This game caters to the lowest common denominator of noobs. It's not very balanced, and it barely takes any skill to kill anyone.

That means most people hover around a 1.0 k/d ratio, I guess. Should make the matchmaking a lot easier.

 

[CHYME]

What the fuck is going on in here. Should I play COD4 online or not? PLEASE! Will the warring CHYME and DA decide for me.

Hah. As long as you're not expecting a perfect game, sure. If I were an Xbox owner, would I buy Xbox live for COD 4? No. But if you already have Xbox live, you might as well try the online MP.

 

[PedroLumpy]

It took me a week to learn how to avoid dying from Martyrdom, if you're STILL dying from that shit, you need to rethink how you play.

Ugh. Man, I know how to avoid it. Don't go near the corpse of someone who has it. The point was that sometimes there is no avoiding it. Unless you're just camping somewhere of course. But if you're running & gunning, charging whatever you want to call it, martyrdom will kill you eventually. That's my point. If you never die from martyrdom, then you're probably sitting somewhere picking people off.

Spoiler

Not an anti camping rant. No one take it as such.