MarkMclovin
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OK thanks, I'll give it a try.
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Do you game with full RGB or limited?
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OK thanks, I'll give it a try.
FairXchange
Member
Awesome, thanks for clearing this up for me Durante. Those are the settings I'm using from now on.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
So limited on regular cable TV and movies then? I wouldn't want to have to switch between the two back and forth.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Ok, I've been wondering this for about 2 years now. My PS3 is set to Full and my X360 isset to Expanded. On my Sony HDTV Bravia, the X360 appears to have better image quality, deeper blacks, brighter whites and slightly more vibrant colors than the PS3 does. Is that normal or could I have something set incorrectly on the PS3? The picture is still really good on the PS3, but the X360 pictures looks noticeably better.
CambriaRising
Member
Full. There is a noticeable difference between the two on my TV.
Inspectah_Deck
Member
Here are some test images.
Play them back on Xbox or PS3.
If you can´t see all bars, either your TV or your console is set to limited.
Play them back on Xbox or PS3.
If you can´t see all bars, either your TV or your console is set to limited.
Goodacre0081
Member
all manufacturers don't use the same layout in the menus so it might not have an exact setting called "Full RGB". it might be something like "blacks" or "black level"
I'm not sure if you're aware, but the limited color range comes from a long ago due to the way analog TV signals were transmitted. The standards for SD TV forbid the usage of color values outside the [16-235] range and HD TV standards inherited this limitation so existing content authored for [16-235] would work properly.
Therefore, unless told otherwise, a TV assumes the content is limited by default.
Bloodsent
Member
I am getting conflicting results. I tried RGB Full on the PS3, but needed to increase the brightness to see all the test boxes properly (which I expected), but if I set the Xbox to RGB & Expanded, I get crushed blacks regardless.
I was going on the assumption that my TV supports RGB Full due to the results of the PS3 test, but the 360 test gave me pause. Did I miss something?
I was going on the assumption that my TV supports RGB Full due to the results of the PS3 test, but the 360 test gave me pause. Did I miss something?
No no no no.
Blu ray grey scale is 16-235 which is limited. However, games are made for full which is 0-255. Set to auto and be done with it
ElbowRocket
Member
A humble gamer
Always-honest
Banned
it's very noticable when your tv doesn't support it
Haha that should be your tag under your name.
iJudged
Banned
Ain't nobody got time for this...I loled hard
Most tvs that are uncalibrated have severe red push (although it has gotten better), so setting color temperature to "warm" is not a good idea unless you plan to calibrate and set a proper greyscale (and thats if the tv actually has the settings to do it).
iJudged
Banned
That was me just 2 mins ago here at work, could not hold it back.
CambriaRising
Member
Are you implying that my tv doesn't support it? It definitely does. What was the point of that comment?
hooijdonk17
Member
Son, I've seen some first posts in my time, but this is really something.
Our TVs must be different, as for me Warm matches it with the GamePad while normal looks cool.
Diablohead
Member
I need to check, I think that it was set to something because a while ago I had to game on a poor quality tv, but now i'm not and I don't think I ever changed it (but changed the tv settings instead) let's look...
RPGCrazied
Member
Limited on my TV, if I don't I get crushed blacks.
So I finally I have it figured out. I set my ps3 back to limited, put the black level to low on the TV to get a reference point using Arkham Origins. I then backed out, put the ps3 on full and changed my black level to high and I got my brightness back to exactly where it was before but with much richer colors and varied blacks. I especially noticed it on Batman's suit. I also turned the Super White setting on while I was at it. Both of those changes really enhances the picture while gaming as long as your TV is set right. Fantastic.
I'm not aware. All I see is a needless waste of dynamic range, and that is enough grounds to launch a vicious attack! There is really no excuse these days for something like limited RGB. 8-bit is limited enough on its own.
Just took a look at the difference on my 40" Samsung LCD in Batman: Arkham Origins.
With the PS3 set to full and my TV set to limited, everything looks fine. With the PS3 set to full and the TV set to full (or Black Level - Normal, as Samsung would have it) I get some weird artifacting junk in areas that were previously pitch black.
Please forgive the crappy camera-phone photography:
Limited
Full
Guess I'll be sticking with limited.
With the PS3 set to full and my TV set to limited, everything looks fine. With the PS3 set to full and the TV set to full (or Black Level - Normal, as Samsung would have it) I get some weird artifacting junk in areas that were previously pitch black.
Please forgive the crappy camera-phone photography:
Limited
Full
Guess I'll be sticking with limited.
plagiarize
Banned
yeah, this is basically me. and I'm not taking my Wii U off my receiver because surround sound > full colour space.
I'd love not to have to choose though!
phosphor112
Banned
Dat first post.
Also, I use full, cuz I ain't no chump (and my TV supports it.)
Also, I use full, cuz I ain't no chump (and my TV supports it.)
plagiarize
Banned
erm, no, you should just recalibrate your TV. that you have more detail in the dark is good. that you've got the brightness up too high that it makes that look bad. lower your brightness (and up your contrast if needs be afterwards) and you'll have a better end result than when using limited.
http://www.poynton.com/notes/brightness_and_contrast/
lensoftruth
Member
eh? The limited image is completely fucked and has no detail
Cheers for the suggestions, I'll have a play around with the settings. I'm not unused to setting up TVs, but this full/limited RGB stuff is pretty new to me.
Maybe Batman was a bad choice, as dark corners being inky black seems about right to me.
silver.tongue
Member
Can you guys help me out? Does this TV supports it?
Sony KDL46HX855
http://store.sony.com.br/br/site/catalog/ProductDisplay.jsp?parentCatId=cat6780027&category=televisores&tabNum=1&id=KDL-46HX855
This TV was sold around the world with a different "series number". I think this specific name was used only here in Brazil.
My PS3 is set to full.
Super White is On.
Deep Color is On.
That said, I have no idea what I'm doing.
Sony KDL46HX855
http://store.sony.com.br/br/site/catalog/ProductDisplay.jsp?parentCatId=cat6780027&category=televisores&tabNum=1&id=KDL-46HX855
This TV was sold around the world with a different "series number". I think this specific name was used only here in Brazil.
My PS3 is set to full.
Super White is On.
Deep Color is On.
That said, I have no idea what I'm doing.
lensoftruth
Member
It's the perfect choice, calibrate my man.
I've kept my display chain set to YPrPb (with my PC set to YPrPb 4:4:4) mainly because though my Kuro will switch between all the formats properly (RGB limited, RGB full, YPrPb 422, and YPrPb 444) my Denon AV Receiver won't and has to be set statically to either YPrPb or RGB and then the range of RGB if using that (it will pass either 422 or 444 when in YPrPb mode though).
I'm also not clear on whether it's even possible to calibrate a monitor for proper Blu-Ray playback over RGB Full or not. I don't think the conversion from one colorspace to the other is really standardized.
I'm also not clear on whether it's even possible to calibrate a monitor for proper Blu-Ray playback over RGB Full or not. I don't think the conversion from one colorspace to the other is really standardized.
I've switched both PS3 and TV to full (or the Samsung equivalent) now, and tweaked the brightness and contrast so as to just barely shroud the badly artifacted areas in blackness. Batman is looking pretty good by this point, but I guess I won't know for sure until I've tried a variety of content.
lensoftruth
Member
Use greyscale bars instead, don't do it by guess work.
Dude! thanks for that info, i was going crazy looking for my RGB settings on my samsung. I normally game on a panasonic TV with the TV and the console set to full. makes a huge difference. it was annoying to change it every time i had to game in my room on my samsung.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
I guess I'm not understanding how this works. You can set the color mode based on the console/input? Or does it change for the display in general? Like is it a universal setting or an input specific setting?
Cannon Goose
Member
Whichever one shows more detail in dark scenes. I played my PS3 for ages with crushed blacks and I'll never do it again.
AllBusinessJr
Member
From heavy reading of some informative posts on xbox.com and avsforums, I now believe that the Xbox 360's advanced video settings are completely and utterly broken. There are conflicting reports of what Standard or Expanded will actually do for your television.