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Do you think Apple will save VR gaming?
- Thread starter Henry Panic
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Henry Panic
Banned
Or you can just use the original quote from the source instead of trying to justify console wars.
Foilz
Banned
Meta quest was doing just fine until they raised their quest 2 price. Then released a 1500 pro.
The biggest issues quest had was the lack of big AAA content steadily releasing.
There's a lot of great VR games outside of alyx, blades and sorcery and bone works. Most are being released on side quest or applab.
The biggest issues quest had was the lack of big AAA content steadily releasing.
There's a lot of great VR games outside of alyx, blades and sorcery and bone works. Most are being released on side quest or applab.
Oddvintagechap
Member
It will make it cool and desirable.
Which will increase sales for other platforms since it’s expensive.
Which will increase sales for other platforms since it’s expensive.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
This. The hardware is far from mature. I love VR, but it seems 5 years ahead of its time.
Romulus
Member
Nah, I like the one you were defending tooth and nail in this case. Works perfectly.
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
They saved mobile gaming with Apple Arcade so why not?
Yes all those AAA 1st party don't vr games will save vr.. oh wait
To be fair sony invested pretty well into 1st party software for psvr1, but psvr2? They haven't demonstrated that they have big hitters coming
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BackBackPunch
Member
Lol, ain’t gonna happen. That’s like saying movies will replace books. Or like saying touchscreen games on phones will replace controllers—- Except even more unlikely.
After dabbling in VR for years, it’s just a relief to sit down and play normal console games again. It’s ironic, but the nature of VR actually greatly limits what you can actually do in a game. That’s why we just have a mess of samey shovelware rather than a ton of new unique experiences…
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Big daddy Zucc will save it with Quest 3
lukilladog
Member
It would be like saving a tree out of chopped wood.
Henry Panic
Banned
Warrior projection disease, first time I've seen it in real-time.
Henry Panic
Banned
It will be a game because articles imply Tim wants to copy Zuccs idea with that world's thing but better.
To be honest it doesn't seem like a very hard thing to do to make a game better than that junk.
The price will kill many people alone.
LaughingStock
Member
VR needs to be cheaper and easier to use.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
As a fellow older gamer then you'll remember being blown away when the PS1 came out and the whole Polygon revolution with Ridge Racer, RE1, Tomb Raider etc, sticking on the PSVR2 and simply being in the menu screen on Horizon puts a massive smile on my face and takes me right back to those days when games just blew you away, there's nothing outside of VR that does that, no matter how good looking the game is on a TV it just cannot compete to being inside the game, it never grows old and if you can afford the punt I'd do it regardless of how you think the platform will turn out, the thing could die tomorrow and I wouldn't care as you just can't get the type of experiences that VR brings
Fredrik
Member
Unless he buy a bunch of AAA studios or pay third party AAA devs to make games I don’t see anything changing there. It’ll be Quest again with better display, lighter headset, longer battery life and it’ll have tons of shovelware you mostly play because there is no AAA games to play.
Henry Panic
Banned
Anyone who still thinks we are in the early console polygon phase in VR must have missed when people were already doing that years ago.
We can't STILL be in that phase.
Mahavastu
Member
with a price of $3000 the mass market gamer is not the target, this gamer audience is simply priced out. Apple was not even successful to establish gaming on their notebooks.
The target are most likely companies who think it is cool to have a zoom call in VR. So even IF they sell a million units as planned (which is a big IF), there wont be enough gamers.
Important for VR gaming are the cheaper, "good enough" and easy to use systems targeted to gamers, like the Quest, PSVR2 and similar priced devices. Those are cheap enough to sell larger number of units and those numbers will make it more attractive to develop games for.
There are and will be cooler and more expensive devices, where games will look better, but the number won't be large enough to develop games just for those.
The target are most likely companies who think it is cool to have a zoom call in VR. So even IF they sell a million units as planned (which is a big IF), there wont be enough gamers.
Important for VR gaming are the cheaper, "good enough" and easy to use systems targeted to gamers, like the Quest, PSVR2 and similar priced devices. Those are cheap enough to sell larger number of units and those numbers will make it more attractive to develop games for.
There are and will be cooler and more expensive devices, where games will look better, but the number won't be large enough to develop games just for those.
LordOfChaos
Member
It's just not in Apple's culture to care that much about gaming. They're trying now, but like, the latest AAA on the Mac is still a port of last years PC game and before that it was SoTR for too long, they're still not gaining major traction. They only seemed to fall ass backwards into it with iOS. Tim Apple is talking about it like a communication and productivity tool, so like, fancy FaceTime.
I'm still not sure how much they'll do for gaming on it. Which Apple dev could do something like a Call of the Mountain, and this is on gear that may cost 6x as much as PSVR2?
I'm still not sure how much they'll do for gaming on it. Which Apple dev could do something like a Call of the Mountain, and this is on gear that may cost 6x as much as PSVR2?
Henry Panic
Banned
Meta never focused much on gamers. It may be why after the initial shot in the arm it's being abandoned at retail.
If it was just about being cheap and good enough then gamers wouldn't be leaving the platform. It sold a lot but didn't Meta themselves say everyone including gamers were abandoning it after a month?
In that case quest 2 was only successful for a year and a half.
Game consoles usually sell with 10 years of support.
You can use HTC releases to mark the generations. We are already on the 5th or 6th gen of VR.
Yeah that's quick evolution but the problem hasn't been solved in the meantime. We had two generations of vr since 2020 when Xbox and PS5 launched and a third one now just starting with PS VR2 just in three years.
I'm not going to sugarcoat it, I would also be concerned with investing into a medium whose main product lines are about to be replaced in another 9 months. The headsets have been changing faster than smartphones.
LordOfChaos
Member
That too, but their enough Apple fanatics that follow them like a cult to perhaps sell a few million still which could give people a false sense of success
Henry Panic
Banned
Could Apple convince 20M fans to spend or finance $3000 for a VR unit?
That's the real question.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
So has Apple saved VR??
Elder Legend
Banned
Of course! They're also following in Nvidias footsteps. Remeber folks, the more you buy the more you save!So has Apple saved VR??
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Vr before you know it will be the best way to play games.
Matt_Fox
Member
R6Rider
Gold Member
Already is.
Resident Evil in VR > RE flat
GT7 VR > GT7 flat
first person shooters in VR > fps flat
Not saying it works for every genre (or that it's been done for every genre), but I can't think of a single game that has both and doesn't have me preferring the VR mode.
ResurrectedContrarian
Banned
Vision Pro looks very impressive as a general productivity device, like buying a nice laptop. I'd love to have one and try it out for my home office setup with virtual screens.
I do think that Apple showing showing something this seamless will help to make the average person realize AR/VR might have a place in our everyday lives, that it very well could be the next dominant interface one day for using technology instead of physical screens.
It won't have much impact on the gaming side for now, though. Quest 3 seems more interesting there.
And replaying classics in VR totally transforms them, like you're going inside the game's world for the first time. I recently finished Half Life 2 in full VR thanks to the great mod, and it was amazing... simply impossible to imagine every playing it on a screen again.
I do think that Apple showing showing something this seamless will help to make the average person realize AR/VR might have a place in our everyday lives, that it very well could be the next dominant interface one day for using technology instead of physical screens.
It won't have much impact on the gaming side for now, though. Quest 3 seems more interesting there.
And replaying classics in VR totally transforms them, like you're going inside the game's world for the first time. I recently finished Half Life 2 in full VR thanks to the great mod, and it was amazing... simply impossible to imagine every playing it on a screen again.
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Captain Toad
Banned
Yeah. What VR gaming needed to appeal to the masses was a $3500 headset that plays mobile games.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Based on the presentation yesterday, Apple really has no interest in VR. They're also not releasing a controller like the other headsets, althouugh their hand tracking looks really advanced. So we don't know what VR in this will look like.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Only time and better tech will save veee ahhhr.
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
We will get glorified mobile games and "interactive" movies and thats it. There won't be many skill-based VR games until Ready Player One becomes a reality.
