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Foamy
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Do you think Exclusives will die?
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Chromata
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I would be surprised if they placed game pass on a Playstation platform any time soon. I was stating that just as an example.
That being said, Xbox would still come out the winner in that scenario. PS consoles have a $500 USD asking price, then you need to buy games and PS+.
Xbox game pass provides you with an online platform and games for $15 a month. Multiplats can also be purchased through the Xbox platform. This means people who decide to buy a Playstation, or a Nintendo console, or just use their PC, can all buy into Xbox services for a relatively small monthly fee. The customer pool and potential revenue far outpaces that of a singular console platform.
I'd imagine this would be more likely to occur once xbox streaming is in place and the differences in hardware capabilities is no longer an issue.
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Some developers/pubs go exclusive because there is no incentive to go to particular device, the hardware manufacturers in most cases have even less reason to deploy to other devices. Many devs/pubs stay away from Nintendo for a reason - limited to no sales historically.
Exclusives will continue to be a thing unless everyone agrees to a particular open OS, which is not going to happen.
ResilientBanana
Member
When Sony makes a PC launcher. Yes.
Yeah, more launchers. (I'm waiting on these people to now tell us that we should all voluntarily stop using Steam and Valve should agree to shut down Steam... and move everything to the Microsoft Store)
MightySquirrel
Banned
Well they can easily increase their fanbase by releasing all their games on pc and hope more new people will find their games great.
MightySquirrel
Banned
So I guess you never heard of emulation?
Zannegan
Member
Devil's advocate: Nintendo very well could and possibly should start porting their games to PC, though probably through their own client/storefront.
They are the only platform owner who could do so without losing their hardware hook, and as long as they sell some sort of dongle to make connecting official controllers a cinch, they still get to sell accessories, which is where the real money is in hardware.
I'm not saying they should release their latest and greatest, day and date on both hybrid and PC, but they really should start monetizing all their old content by giving people a convenient and legal way to play the games--a platform agnostic virtual console to start, and then, who knows? It's not like they could increase the piracy rates.
Otterz4Life
Member
I hope they do, but we all know that they won't for a while. I don't like buying 3 or 4 different devices just to play the games I'm interested in.
Nah, they won't.
And honestly, Microsoft just realized that exclusives help to sell the consoles, but its not their main driving force, its how many games you have in your system, otherwise WiiU would have sold 45+ million and Switch wouldn't exist. The whole PC integration has been since 15-16 and sales since then had been always on the same line.
And honestly, Microsoft just realized that exclusives help to sell the consoles, but its not their main driving force, its how many games you have in your system, otherwise WiiU would have sold 45+ million and Switch wouldn't exist. The whole PC integration has been since 15-16 and sales since then had been always on the same line.
daninthemix
Member
If exclusives died, then fanboyz would all die too.
And that would be a tragedy.
And that would be a tragedy.
Otterz4Life
Member
That would possibly be the greatest thing to happen in gaming ever.
Vawn
Banned
Tell me the legal emulation that Nintendo has sanctioned on PC.
Pimpbaa
Slop Inspector
There is only a trend of exclusives being cut back on the Xbox platform in general. Sony and Nintendo got tons of them, both first party and Japanese third party. And yeah they do give a console some identity, and I don't see them going away for a few generations at least.
GHG
Member
No. it not. Try to sell this bullshit to someone who buys it.
Believe it or not but there are some developers who don't port their games to other platforms simply because they don't want to or don't think it would be worth the time and effort.
There are plenty of PC games where this is the case.
Bryank75
Banned
You say that but in reality it would make things so boring. So beige.
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FranXico
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MightySquirrel
Banned
I liked bosses a lot. Each felt different unlike most games. Also spend hours hunting for the perfect color and stats horse lol
Berserking Guts
Member
Exclusives will never die as long as there are still competing platforms.
FranXico
Member
Fanboys don't need exclusives.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
The day exclusives die is the day gaming loses its identity and soul. Again, we wouldn't need competition anymore because everyone will be virtually identical to each other especially with console gaming.
How much fun would it be if all phones were the same? Same features, services, apps, functionality? Tv's? Same picture quality, operating system, etc? Streaming movies? All originals on streaming services are the same. Cars? Same horsepower, torque, features, drive, etc. You get my point.
I understand games are supposedly more expensive then ever to develop and multiplatform is understandable, but imho exclusives are needed to distinguish platforms from each other and boost creativity and uniqueness.
How much fun would it be if all phones were the same? Same features, services, apps, functionality? Tv's? Same picture quality, operating system, etc? Streaming movies? All originals on streaming services are the same. Cars? Same horsepower, torque, features, drive, etc. You get my point.
I understand games are supposedly more expensive then ever to develop and multiplatform is understandable, but imho exclusives are needed to distinguish platforms from each other and boost creativity and uniqueness.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Sony or Nintendo shouldn't because that is basically what makes their platforms relevant. Look how Xbox sales dropped significantly with their games going to PC and possibly consoles. What would be the point in buying a PlayStation or Nintendo system then with lack of exclusives? PC may as well be the only, dominate platform. We wouldn't need any competition then unless we want dumbed down ports on consoles.
Otterz4Life
Member
It's not like TVs at all. Imagine if you have to buy a Sony TV to play Sony movies. Or a Disney TV to play anything made by Disney. Do you want 3 or 4 TVs in your living room just to experience certain content?
The games are what makes gaming unique and have soul, not the hardware (usually). Game devs at Sony and Nintendo would still have to compete by making great games that stand out from the pack.
Bryank75
Banned
PlayStation has an identity but the games are an extension of that, same with Nintendo. They are their own things, their own experiences that have been built with great effort over decades and you just want them to throw all that away why?
It's like saying BMW's i-drive system should be in every car cause they are selfish to keep it all to themselves.....
Sony own their studios and like it or not you'll always have to buy a PlayStation console to play their games
(The tentpole ones anyway)
PlayStation owners have been shown to spend a lot on games, particularly new releases and single player experiences, which is why it is a great platform for publishers and developers.
I hear there are more acquisitions coming.... and my great hope is to see Sony acquire Capcom and make the entire catalogue exclusive. Monster Hunter did very well on PlayStation and it should be what Pokemon is to Nintendo.... but on PS.
I also want them to bring back Dino Crisis. But that is a move that would shake the industry and make PS5 a necessity purchase for all gamers.
I also think Sony should have given Disney what they wanted for Spider-man in the MCU, in exchange for all Star Wars and Marvel games rights. That would be game over for everyone else.
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Rhazer Fusion
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Is see your point. Sony, Nintendo and even Microsoft all built an empire that took many years to establish and is easily identifiable and unique. Games are the heart of a platform, but when you have an ample amount of unique and quality content or experiences it makes your hardware more desirable and is healthier for the industry. It develops better and more fierce competition amongst companies and not only create better software, but can even lead to hardware innovation.
Also, Sony and Nintendo would still compete, but having a single platform with everything on it would render having multiple consoles useless which would inevitably create a monopoly.
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sid2vicious
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Should they? Absolutely. Will they? Most likely not.
As for Nintendo porting games to PC, as someone else mentioned as long as it's in their own storefront/launcher or even streaming service, they got nothing to lose, millions to gain. They could even reduce piracy, although they will never completely eliminate it, slowing it down is better than nothing. Some will argue that it would reduce their hardware sales, I disagree. First of all I heard consoles are typically sold at a loss, and that their games are their bread and butter. Secondly people who want to buy a console will still buy the console, and those that don't simply still won't. So it's to their benefit to expand their market audience rather than limiting it, but Nintendo hates money and rather be stingy than move along with the times.
As for Nintendo porting games to PC, as someone else mentioned as long as it's in their own storefront/launcher or even streaming service, they got nothing to lose, millions to gain. They could even reduce piracy, although they will never completely eliminate it, slowing it down is better than nothing. Some will argue that it would reduce their hardware sales, I disagree. First of all I heard consoles are typically sold at a loss, and that their games are their bread and butter. Secondly people who want to buy a console will still buy the console, and those that don't simply still won't. So it's to their benefit to expand their market audience rather than limiting it, but Nintendo hates money and rather be stingy than move along with the times.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
no way. i don't see the console manufacturers dropping out any time soon. i don't see game companies suddenly not caring about licensing and copyright law. i mean there is an Aladdin remaster coming out that is missing the SNES game because of rights. that kind of bullshit isn't going away.
besides, the consoles are always going to be different. it is not as if Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft all get together and agree on specs and a release date. would be nice maybe but also would lose a lot of personality. in this alt universe, do games like Bloodborne even get made? or do we all have to come to an agreement on the most inoffensive and mass market titles to produce? honestly an exclusive-less gaming frontier sounds dismal.
besides, the consoles are always going to be different. it is not as if Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft all get together and agree on specs and a release date. would be nice maybe but also would lose a lot of personality. in this alt universe, do games like Bloodborne even get made? or do we all have to come to an agreement on the most inoffensive and mass market titles to produce? honestly an exclusive-less gaming frontier sounds dismal.
Bryank75
Banned
At any rate, why would anyone want to get rid of consoles.... 300 to 400 euro or dollars and the console lasts you 7 to 10 years. It is unbelievable value and the performance per dollar is crazy high.
If you are too cheap to buy one, then you're not a gamer, you don't value games.... you're just a freeloader.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Ideal for who?
You might as well want to get paid to play games. Just because you want something doesn't mean it makes sense to give it to you.
V4skunk
Banned
I praise Kek that they don't
EDMIX
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Thread.
When Nintendo has Pokemon, Zelda, Mario Kart moving gangbusters and Sony has Uncharted, Spiderman, God Of War etc, those publishers have little reason to stop making those to move units.
Iced Arcade
Member
I can see Sony doing what MS is doing and releasing on PC as well.
People with gaming rigs don't invest much in consoles. Would be smart as a business to cash in on the PC side.
I don't see Nintendo doing it for at least another decade.
People with gaming rigs don't invest much in consoles. Would be smart as a business to cash in on the PC side.
I don't see Nintendo doing it for at least another decade.
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alabtrosMyster
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Exclusives will die the day there is only one computing platform left, or the day all software is open source (so you can re-compile on any platform)... even with the source not all software will suddenly work on all platforms.
Expecting that is not understanding what the incentives are for platform owners.
As for MS, well their exclusives aren't worth nearly as much as Sony's and Nintendo's are, so they won't apply much pressure with this move (I like that they made Forza Horizon 4 on PC, but I still thinks it makes no sense for their console market presence).
Expecting that is not understanding what the incentives are for platform owners.
As for MS, well their exclusives aren't worth nearly as much as Sony's and Nintendo's are, so they won't apply much pressure with this move (I like that they made Forza Horizon 4 on PC, but I still thinks it makes no sense for their console market presence).
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StreetsofBeige
Member
It's slowly trending that way but will never 100% as first party games will always be a last ditch console differentiator.
Compare the history of gaming all the way from Atari 2600 generation to now....... seems like fewer exclusives to me.
Compare the history of gaming all the way from Atari 2600 generation to now....... seems like fewer exclusives to me.
StreetsofBeige
Member
So true now as devs seem to focus their games on key platforms now.
But there was a time EA churned out games like Madden and FIFA on every gadget they could think of..... they even had N-Gage games.
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Boss Key
Neo Member
To a lesser extent yes and no, exclusives will never die off completely each platform or service will always have them as a reason why need to go there to play. but with the time frame it takes to make games now I don't think we will have as many. I also think more third party's will not take that bag of cash to be one year exclusive any more since they will prob sell more just releasing on all platforms.. But I could be totally off the mark here.
Sentenza
Member
Oh, shut up.
If you don't have anything pertinent to say you don't need to meet a quota with posts.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
You didn't answer me. Ideal for who? Because you haven't explained how you are suppose to compensate for the losses the platform holders would incur for doing what you want them to do.
What are you offering in return? What is the incentive you will give?
GHG
Member
Not all exclusives are bound by contract, some are bound by choice. That's the original point I made which seemed to irk you for whatever reason.
This thread is talking about exclusives in general, not "the specific types of exclusives that annoy you".
And for what it's worth, first party console exclusives are restricted by choice (the choice of the platform holders who own said development studios) rather than by a contract.
You sure have come up with solid arguments to back up your original post, especially when other people have pointed out the inconsistencies.
Maybe if the only thing you can muster up is insults then it would be better if you didn't respond to people.
Sentenza
Member
There's nothing to answer. It's an incredibly stupid question. Of course I'm talking at benefit of the users and not arguing for corporate interests.
What's baffling is why it's any different for you. It's not like you are taking dividends.
But even if that was the case there would be an entirely different argument to make, since it's anything but a given that staying exclusive brings more money for these companies. It surely gives them more control.
To both of you; go on, keep being overly protective of your plastic toy boxes and their ammo for list wars. As if more people playing your precious exclusives would harm any of you in any way,
Just, for the sake of decency, don't even pretend to have a solid argument I should agree with.
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Pingulicious
Member
No, exclusives is what sells consoles
DeltaPolarBear
Member
See, you are not thinking about benefiting users; you are just thinking about what you want.
But you also openly state that what you want would lead to less money for the game studios, and that you don't give a shit about it.
You don't realise something; if you don't care about what the game developers need, then they don't care about what you need either. The role of a consumer is not that of a god; you don't get to have your wish granted just because you want it.
You are simply not serious about wanting less exclusivity, because at no point have you suggested any situation where it is remotely viable for anyone to supply it. The only thing you have power over is what you choose to buy; but you don't get to choose what gets made, not directly. And the reverse is true, game developers choose what games they make, but they can't force us to buy them. This is the entire game industry.
You are simply asking for something that you as a consumer has no control over.
Vawn
Banned
Lol. They're making good, valid points and your rebuttal is "Shut up! LA LA LA, I can't hear you"?
Sentenza
Member
Mh? No, I JUST openly pointed how that claim is extremely debatable as well.
You just weren't paying attention.
"WAAH, WAAAAAH, WAAAAAAAH, YOU MAY AS WELL ASK TO BE PAID TO PLAY GAMES! LEAVE MY EXCLUSIVES ALOOOONE!" is not "a valid point". It's rabid fanboy delusion.
It's coming into the discussion with a moot point, tring to appeal to emotions.
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Mattyp
Not the YouTuber
It's confusing people bring up Microsoft continually yet Nintendo has released more of their IPS and more often on other platforms (mobile)
Really surprising they haven't launched classic Mario's and classic Pokémon on mobile platforms yet, they don't use the IPs anymore the revenue on Switch and DS is miniscule. Mobile releases of old IPs easily compatible with mobile see them bank billions, maybe one day when they actually support any of their older titles.
Really surprising they haven't launched classic Mario's and classic Pokémon on mobile platforms yet, they don't use the IPs anymore the revenue on Switch and DS is miniscule. Mobile releases of old IPs easily compatible with mobile see them bank billions, maybe one day when they actually support any of their older titles.
Exclusive games are what keep console gaming alive really. Without them Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft would all come down to seeing which one can last the longest before going bankrupt and the winner would be the one stop shop for all console gaming.
Or consoles would just become computers you hook up to your TV. But computers would still have exclusive games as long as games are being sold in stores because the ones sold in stores would have to be rated M or lower as no one has the balls to sell AO rated games in stores.
But if you get rid of exclusive titles then gaming as we know would change forever because it removes console manufacturers reason to keep going because you could play games on anything anywhere.
Or gaming becomes like stadia.
Or consoles would just become computers you hook up to your TV. But computers would still have exclusive games as long as games are being sold in stores because the ones sold in stores would have to be rated M or lower as no one has the balls to sell AO rated games in stores.
But if you get rid of exclusive titles then gaming as we know would change forever because it removes console manufacturers reason to keep going because you could play games on anything anywhere.
Or gaming becomes like stadia.