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Do you think the Sequel Trilogy should be decanonized?

Decanonize the ST?

  • Yes

    Votes: 112 87.5%
  • No

    Votes: 4 3.1%
  • Not fully, but deemphasize it

    Votes: 10 7.8%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 2 1.6%

  • Total voters
    128
Frankly I don't know how you de-canonize them. You'd still have these films that say Episode VII-IX in the titles, that has Mark, Carrie and Harrison in them.

I don't think they need to go as far as Willowing the movies.

They could remove the numbering given that we live in the digital realm and these versions can be modified overnight. Saying that, Star Wars became episode IV A New Hope post theatrical release so there's precedent in the Star Wars world to do this.
 
There are at least signs that Disney recognizes they have a problem. The last decade has been a Lost Decade for their shareholders, the stock price is the same as it was 10 years ago while the S&P 500 has been in the midst of a raging bull market only briefly interrupted by Corvid

There are deeper problems in Disney too, such as how their revenues from entertainment (TV shows, movies, etc.) have collapsed and most of their money now comes from theme parks. It's absurd to realize that 60% of their revenue share now comes from theme parks. Disney is no longer an entertainment company, they are a theme park operator. They are Six Flags with Mickey Mouse theming. They have raised prices at theme parks for decades to try and make up for lost revenue from entertainment but that is now more or less no longer feasible to continue to do forever. It already costs a family of 4 around $4000 for a trip to Disneyland and that's basically as far as they can go with constantly jacking up theme park pricing

The last decade of wokeslop has destroyed their traditional entertainment business. Everyone knows it but Disney themselves are so woke that they can't see past their political ideology far enough to see how much they have been systematically mass suiciding their cultural influence and power. This is also a generally larger Hollywood problem, the entertainment industry in Los Angeles is dying because Hollywood has exhausted their cultural influence and power as a whole after spending the last decade trying to ram The Message™ down the throats of the West instead of making enjoyable content people want to consume

It wasn't that long ago that parents could just park the kids in front of the TV and put on some Disney show or movie and feel safe to leave them alone for a few hours. That's long gone now, and Disney is still not quite able to fathom how much they have destroyed the trust of families who could previously just freely consume their content because it was safe, friendly to children, and didn't push woke political ideology constantly. Nowadays Disney's children content openly tries to turn children gay or trans and you can see how this might not be palatable to the vast majority of American families who don't live in California

This brings me around to Star Wars. Star Wars was once the most culturally iconic franchise in the West, and indeed probably on Earth. Disney only paid $4 billion to take it off George Lucas's hands after George had been frustrated with trying to single handedly maintain the franchise for decades. Everyone thought Disney was going to print money with Star Wars because they could open the floodgates on releasing a ton of content to an audience which was desperate for new content, since George hadn't done anything with Star Wars after the (critically maligned) Prequel Trilogy

What Disney did instead was systematically dismantle and destroy everything that everyone loved about Star Wars. We all know about killing Han, Luke, and Leia after first destroying their characters and tearing everything previously good about them down. We all know about The Last Jedi, which today we can look back at and understand that it was arguably the absolute worst genre and franchise film ever made in any ongoing franchise. And I'm saying a lot here, because Disney was also in the process of systematically dismantling and destroying other beloved properties like Indiana Jones and Marvel Comics. Basically what I'm saying is fuck Rian Johnson but also fuck Disney for letting him do what he did to single handedly destroy Star Wars

Disney has a new CEO now, again. The saga of Bob Iger and his fruitless search for a successor is Hollywood legend these days, but Iger seems to have found the guy he wants (really) to succeed him this time (maybe). This new CEO seems to recognize there is a problem. The problem cannot be instantly solved as long as Disney's rank and file employees are all super woke Californians but the reality is that Disney is financially very precarious for reasons I outlined above and shareholders have been restless. Disney might be woke, but shareholders demand revenue and profits. And for a decade, Disney has not delivered on this. Most Disney employees might be socialist, but Wall Street is openly capitalist and they aren't going to bend to wokeness or anything else besides the Almighty Dollar

Which is why we are here wondering if the rumors that the Disney Trilogy is going to be decanonized. Disney's executives have to be more than a little desperate. When your stock price has been the same for a decade, you aren't a dynamic entertainment company enthralling millions of people with quality content. You're.... Ford Motor Company. (Their stock has been the same price for 30 years, but I'm digressing.) The fact they are even thinking about just memory holing the Disney Trilogy out of existence should give you an idea of how internally desperate things are at Disney. They destroyed Marvel after building a money printing factory in just a few years. They destroyed Indiana Jones. And yes, they took less than a decade to destroy Star Wars. Drastic measures must be taken to resurrect their entertainment business, because Disneyland already costs you like $300 a day if you want a decent experience since they have like 7 tiers of line skipping now or something absolutely insane

The fact that they are thinking about also retconning the entire past few years of Marvel Cinematic Universe out of existence shows you how desperate they are. If it's true that Avengers Doomsday starts right after Endgame and pretends everything else after Endgame didn't happen, then the panic at Disney is real. The real question is, can they actually do what needs to be done to save their company's future or not. The new CEO has a lot of work ahead of him and turning a gigantic company like Disney around will not be easy, especially when most of the employees will actively resist any attempts to roll back the Woke Agenda. Good luck, Disney CEO Josh D'Amaro!

LOL fuck, I didn't mean to write so much 😂
 
no, just ignore them if you don't like them, all the fanwank extended universe shit with mara jade and such was even worse; just make new stories, no need to "delete" anything.
 
They should do a movie that starts with a flashback though all 3 films, and then Luke is woken up by Han solo and they are both at a Jedi Temple, Luke has Mara Jade and grown kids, Han has twins one is a Jedi the other a pilot and then......



I just want to get away from the Skywalkers, go to the old republic with lots of JEDI and Sith.
 
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Until Disney can prove that they can consistently make Star Wars content that isn't shit I don't really see the point. They'll decanonize it and then just make new movies in the style of The Acolyte and Mandalorian S3, great.
 
Those last two sequel films were real bad, but then again so were the last two films of the prequel trilogy (I also think Rogue One was boring). I say just let it be, forget about it, and get to work on some totally unrelated new trilogy. It's not like it ruined the entire universe.
 
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They tried that with Star Trek but their new content about the "old" timeline still sucks.

Rebooting the timeline in Star Wars is a last ditch effort, and I have seen no indication that they'd do a good job of it, even if they tried.
 
There's a rumor currently circulating from a "source close to LucasFilm" that Filoni is talking about fully decanonizing the ST by using the World Between Worlds stuff from Rebels/Ahsoka to shift it out of the main SW universe, in an Ahsoka feature film.

Ahsoka saving the Star Wars universe from the Sequel Trilogy sounds like something Filoni would enjoy having as his legacy.
This is the kind of exhausting fanwanking "retcon but not really a retcon" bullshit that torpedoes all geek IPs.

Just go forward 100 years, have a force ghost Luke train a new Jedi, and BAM we are off to the races! We don't need all this dimensional stuff as it KILLS any sense of actual progression and stakes. The problem with Star Wars is that there IS NO POINT TO IT after Vader and the Emperor died, they have totally failed to set up a new bad guy and create actual heroes to fight him/it/them/her/zir. Everything working within the scope of the OT is just picking them bones clean. The problem with the prequel Acolyte show is that it DIDN'T APPEAL TO MALES, and that is the FUCKING AUDIENCE for laser swords, spaceships, and aliens!!!

Star Wars needs some SERIOUS testosterone if it wants to thrive again, hopefully the Starfighter film will deliver on that (expectations in check). Mando had it in S1, but that's long dried up now.
 
They should not only de-canonize them but also purge them from every service and every store and act like they've never made them. Maybe ask Lucas to oversee production of a real sequel trilogy instead. And he should also choose his director.
 
Problem is that the ST is a deeply unpopular dead end direct continuation of the main Skywalker saga. So they're stuck in limbo with an elephant in the room, doing a bunch of side stories. If they decanonize it with a good plan, they could repair that damage and move forward with the storyline.

I honestly think they need to simply tell some new Star Wars stories with a new cast of characters. Look how great Andor turned out, and not a single appearance of any of the original cast.

Disney just needs to simply tell good stories and make good TV/films. They didn't do that with the ST, in fact very much the opposite. Mando S1 was great but its fumbled since, didn't stick to what made S1 so good. Andor was awesome, even Rogue One was very good. The rest was crap, and all for the same reasons mostly.

IMHO Disney itself is the problem, and unless they are willing to change gears any new canon or spinoff or reboots will be just as bad as their other stuff. Doesn't really matter if its Luke /Han / Leia or not, just have good writers and competent directors who give a damn make it.
 
I said not fully. Id keep them to some degree as there some parts that moved the overall story along and I think there were a few good things there… not much mind you, but some.
 
Keep everything made before an ewok first appears and get rid of the rest tbh.

They will for sure remake the OT. I guess if they don't screw that up too badly (they will), then they could take another crack at prequels and/or moving forward.
 
Yes without a doubt, infact they should go back to the end of Return of the Jedi, change that Ewok joke of beating the AT ST's and go from there, i didn't like the prequal's either.
 
I deleted the sequel trilogy off of my Plex server and sold the discs. As far as I'm concerned, they no longer exist. I was so excited for them when Disney bought the franchise, but it was all a major disappointment.
I was excited all the way up until the final trailer for TFA released, even bought some figures and that BB-8 you could control with your phone, before even seeing the film. Then, after watching the film I walked away feeling about the same way I did after I saw Phantom Menace. TFA had a few moments and overall it was a decent start to the trilogy despite its flaws but my excitement level for anything that came after it plummeted. Rian Johnson buried the ST with The Last Jedi and JJ put it in it's grave with TROS. I tossed all the merchandise I bought in the trash. I was never a fan of the prequels but I'll gladly re-watch them over having to see the Disney garbage again.
 
The problem is the 3 sequel movies are 'Star Wars' movies, Disney can't just say "Yo, forget those, here's what really happened after ROTJ".

I think what's more likely is there be some time travel shite to retcon everything. I'm only aware of this space between time stuff from Ashoka TV show.

I would think they'll use that in some way to make wipe the sequel stories clean.

The only issue being is the time to use Luke, Leia, Han etc has passed.
 
Make is a bad dream of Luke Skywalker.

Do a proper sequels based on some EU stories, Mark Hamill is still alive.
Good idea, I'm in.

We could have a lightsaber battle between Ursula von der Leyen and Nigel Farage. Then it could be revealed that Charles de Gaulle was really Farage's father all along.
 
This is the kind of exhausting fanwanking "retcon but not really a retcon" bullshit that torpedoes all geek IPs.

Just go forward 100 years, have a force ghost Luke train a new Jedi, and BAM we are off to the races! We don't need all this dimensional stuff as it KILLS any sense of actual progression and stakes. The problem with Star Wars is that there IS NO POINT TO IT after Vader and the Emperor died, they have totally failed to set up a new bad guy and create actual heroes to fight him/it/them/her/zir. Everything working within the scope of the OT is just picking them bones clean. The problem with the prequel Acolyte show is that it DIDN'T APPEAL TO MALES, and that is the FUCKING AUDIENCE for laser swords, spaceships, and aliens!!!

Star Wars needs some SERIOUS testosterone if it wants to thrive again, hopefully the Starfighter film will deliver on that (expectations in check). Mando had it in S1, but that's long dried up now.
Grand Admiral Thrawn was already made for them and gifted on a silver platter
 
What is done cannot be undone.

But on the other hand, sure why not. Go for it. I lost all respect for this franchise decades ago and feel nothing but contempt for it at this point, so them going tabula rasa might as well happen. Things can't get much worse, right?

Right?
 
They should, yes but I'm not even sure that will do any good.

A lot of people who loved Star Wars are too old (and dead) and a younger generation who grew up with disney wars associate the franchise with the most lame, effeminate and boring trilogy. They annihilated both the past and the present audience, disney had one of the most popular franchises amongst young men and killed it. Congrats Kathleen Kennedy for this 👏
 
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They should, yes but I'm not even sure that will do any good.

A lot of people who loved Star Wars are too old (and dead) and a younger generation who grew up with disney wars associate the franchise with the most lame, effeminate and boring trilogy. They annihilated both the past and the present audience, disney had one of the most popular franchises amongst young men and killed it. Congrats Kathleen Kennedy for this 👏
If it were me who'd directed it all, I'd leave Rey and her two friends whatsisname the pilot and the stormtrooper in, I think they were all fun characters. But the big problem was they never had any good villains and they never really came up with a good story. They must've realized after the second one that no one in the real world liked Kylo Ren and his bullshit, so they brought the Emperor back lol but that didn't work either.
 
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As some of us keep banging on each time there's an opportunity, the perfect sequel trilogy exists and it was created decades ago and helped spawn the EU.

Bring Zahn into the fold and adapt the Thrawn/Heir to the Empire trilogy.

Happy with just recasting the characters and giving fresh faces a chance at this point.
 
They won't even release the original theatrical versions of the OG trilogy FS, I don't give a shit about hurting George's feelings he hurt mine with those abominable edits and ropey CGI inserts, I just want to rewatch the classics as they where originally shown when I was a kid
 
What is done cannot be undone.

But on the other hand, sure why not. Go for it. I lost all respect for this franchise decades ago and feel nothing but contempt for it at this point.

Yeah that's about how I feel. The damage is already done. I think they can certainly bring Star Wars back up to a better place, but it's never going to be the Cinematic Goliath it once was.
 
If they intend to move forward with the franchise I don't think they can keep any casting or direct ties to what has gone before. They can retell broadly the same story if they want (as we often tell great stories over and over again in different versions) but at this point it has to be a clean slate.
 
There's a rumor currently circulating from a "source close to LucasFilm" that Filoni is talking about fully decanonizing the ST by using the World Between Worlds stuff from Rebels/Ahsoka to shift it out of the main SW universe, in an Ahsoka feature film.

Ahsoka saving the Star Wars universe from the Sequel Trilogy sounds like something Filoni would enjoy having as his legacy.
And how would that help anything? Why erease the sequel trilogy (and how? New timeline? Multiverse?) when you could erease Palpatine and actually help the galaxy.

What retarded (in lore, not $$) reason would they have to leave him be and all evil and suffering he caused with an orchestrated war, multiple genocides, infanticide and reing of terror?

Can't erease it that far back?
 
They can do whatever they think will help em, nothing will get me caring about it ever again in a meaningful way. Disney dulled every edge that the universe after EP6 would've had so they've built their own prison at this point.

De-canonizing it would be too much of an acceptance of defeat, they'll do what they've done already which is just keep that sequel shit as sidelined as possible while they uses "iconic characters" backdropped by an era that they can say they stewarded. Entirely phoney IP at this point.
 
As some of us keep banging on each time there's an opportunity, the perfect sequel trilogy exists and it was created decades ago and helped spawn the EU.

Bring Zahn into the fold and adapt the Thrawn/Heir to the Empire trilogy.

Happy with just recasting the characters and giving fresh faces a chance at this point.

Man, I've been wanting this ever since I was 12 years old. It was such a perfect set up and so well told. Is Timothy Zahn even still alive?

Edit - Yes, yes he is and is 74
 
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It won't matter to most people. It's too late; 'The Force Awakens' was such a big event that if Disney comes out and says, 'ok, that didn't really happen', then it will drive off what little interest there is and confuse casual fans. Star Wars as a brand has been irreversibly damaged at this point and the only REAL solution is to let it rest for AT LEAST a decade with NO new movies or shows.

Then, and only then, do you come out with something based in the setting, but far in the future and completely unrelated to the Skywalker story.
 
It won't matter to most people. It's too late; 'The Force Awakens' was such a big event that if Disney comes out and says, 'ok, that didn't really happen', then it will drive off what little interest there is and confuse casual fans. Star Wars as a brand has been irreversibly damaged at this point and the only REAL solution is to let it rest for AT LEAST a decade with NO new movies or shows.

Then, and only then, do you come out with something based in the setting, but far in the future and completely unrelated to the Skywalker story.
No one likes the ST. There's no down side.
 
Not sure if people already saw this. But a full movie version of the fan made Heir to the Empire was released May 1st for the 35th anniversary of the book.

Since so many are wish for what could have been.

 
It won't matter to most people. It's too late; 'The Force Awakens' was such a big event that if Disney comes out and says, 'ok, that didn't really happen', then it will drive off what little interest there is and confuse casual fans. Star Wars as a brand has been irreversibly damaged at this point and the only REAL solution is to let it rest for AT LEAST a decade with NO new movies or shows.

Then, and only then, do you come out with something based in the setting, but far in the future and completely unrelated to the Skywalker story.
I'm not sure casual fans exist but if they do they don't care enough to protest the sequels being tossed out.
 
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