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Do you think the Switch Virtual Console delay is artificial?

100% a business decision.

If nintendo can build accurate emulation into a small linux board, they can certainly build it into a more powerful system.
 
Let's hope Sony isn't thinking about releasing a PS1 mini.. rather than actually putting new PS1 games on PSN, or even having some sort of sale or adding PS4 compatibility.

I don't think anybody would buy a PlayStation mini. There's no audience for it. Nintendo has an amazing back catalogue and it greatly resonates with its fans. Sony is content to let all its franchises die. They do do a good job of trying to make new franchises from generation to generation, but nobody really has serious nostalgia for any Sony games the way Nintendo fans do.
 
Don't see how it could be anything but artificial. They clearly have the emulation down if NES/SNES Classic is any indication. It's not like they're putting loads of development manpower into it and still haven't finished it.

They're clearly withholding VC to allow indies & 3rd parties the best possible chance to sell early on. As much as I don't like how much VC is delayed on the Switch, I can't argue that Super Nintendo games showing up on Switch would've deterred me from buying great 3rd party stuff more often than not, and I wouldn't be experiencing awesome indies like Golf Story, Stardew, Axiom Verge, Steamworld Dig, etc.

Not to mention they want to tie VC in with the online service. If they're busy tinkering with anything, I think it's the online service, not so much the emulation.
 
I don't think anybody would buy a PlayStation mini. There's no audience for it. Nintendo has an amazing back catalogue and it greatly resonates with its fans. Sony is content to let all its franchises die. They do do a good job of trying to make new franchises from generation to generation, but nobody really has serious nostalgia for any Sony games the way Nintendo fans do.

I don't know if you heard, but there was thing called Crash: N' Sane Trilogy that sold gangbusters this year...
 
I don't think anybody would buy a PlayStation mini. There's no audience for it. Nintendo has an amazing back catalogue and it greatly resonates with its fans. Sony is content to let all its franchises die. They do do a good job of trying to make new franchises from generation to generation, but nobody really has serious nostalgia for any Sony games the way Nintendo fans do.

Hm, this is like, your opinion, dude. PS1 has an amazing library of games.
 
I don't think anybody would buy a PlayStation mini. There's no audience for it. Nintendo has an amazing back catalogue and it greatly resonates with its fans. Sony is content to let all its franchises die. They do do a good job of trying to make new franchises from generation to generation, but nobody really has serious nostalgia for any Sony games the way Nintendo fans do.
Hahahahahahaha.
 
I don't think anybody would buy a PlayStation mini. There's no audience for it. Nintendo has an amazing back catalogue and it greatly resonates with its fans. Sony is content to let all its franchises die. They do do a good job of trying to make new franchises from generation to generation, but nobody really has serious nostalgia for any Sony games the way Nintendo fans do.
lmfao
 
Probably taking their time to come up with a great reason why you should buy the games for the promised last time.
 
I don't think anybody would buy a PlayStation mini. There's no audience for it. Nintendo has an amazing back catalogue and it greatly resonates with its fans. Sony is content to let all its franchises die. They do do a good job of trying to make new franchises from generation to generation, but nobody really has serious nostalgia for any Sony games the way Nintendo fans do.
You gotta be joking.
 
Hm, this is like, your opinion, dude. PS1 has an amazing library of games.

I'm not saying ps1 has a bad library. I'm saying the mass public wouldn't feel nostolgic enough to buy a tiny little PlayStation with RE2, MGS, FFVII, etc. I'm sure any of the people that would want those games (I do) would rather have them in the ps4 eco system or have backwards compatibility. Or since those are all third party games, people would probably want them on switch.
 
You can't delay something never announced

^^^This. Also, I think it’s way more tied to them wanting to launch that stuff alongside their online services to make a bigger splash that day. Based on their word they never expected NES Classic to be such a big success so it wouldn’t make sense to hold something back for something you’re not expecting much from.

On top of all that I think Nintendo is still trying to figure out what they want VC to be. Is it a subscription service like what Xbox has or like what PlayStation has? Is it a service where you buy games individually? Will previous purchases carry over in some way? What does everything cost? What platforms will be available on day one? Will they do Steam-like bundles and sales? Will they try to charge $5 for Baseball again? Will they try to charge $10 for Yoshi’s Story again? Is NOA going to continue to do a terrible job of adding games to the North American VC?

There’s so many big questions to answer and so much for them to consider that they really need to get right. Even then, I think when the online service rolls out we’ll only get a taste of the new VC
 
I'm not saying ps1 has a bad library. I'm saying the mass public wouldn't feel nostolgic enough to buy a tiny little PlayStation with RE2, MGS, FFVII, etc. I'm sure any of the people that would want those games (I do) would rather have them in the ps4 eco system or have backwards compatibility. Or since those are all third party games, people would probably want them on switch.

Nah, with a good library, I'm fairly confident a PS1 Mini would sell like crazy. People wanting those games on PS4 also wouldn't stop them from buying a Mini Console, just like people wanting VC on Switch isn't stopping NES/SNES Classic from selling gangbusters. I hope it never happens tho. I want my PS1 Classics on PS4...
Never happening, is it? :(
 
I'm not saying ps1 has a bad library. I'm saying the mass public wouldn't feel nostolgic enough to buy a tiny little PlayStation with RE2, MGS, FFVII, etc. I'm sure any of the people that would want those games (I do) would rather have them in the ps4 eco system or have backwards compatibility. Or since those are all third party games, people would probably want them on switch.

What the hell are you on? FF VII alone being on it would sell the thing. Not to me, but there's tons of FF VII fans that would buy it. I would buy it if they had some of the other great RPGs on the system, like Wild Arms, BoF 3 and 4, and DQ VII to name a few.
 
It is artificial. The success of the NES classic and now the SNES classic has shown Nintendo that they can get a bunch of extra money for selling these classic models at little cost to them. Why release a virtual console when people are willing to shell out money for essentially virtual console boxes. But also because of this they are leaving tons of money on the table not implementing a virtual console on the Switch thus far. The online service coming in 2018 could be very well the real reason however.
 
a ps1 classic would live or die based solely on third party choice.

Hint : there is no chrono trigger on the snes classic
 
I would totally buy a PS1 Mini. One of my favorite consoles and I always feel strong nostalgia for it (and I've been gaming since Pong).
 
I don't think anybody would buy a PlayStation mini. There's no audience for it. Nintendo has an amazing back catalogue and it greatly resonates with its fans. Sony is content to let all its franchises die. They do do a good job of trying to make new franchises from generation to generation, but nobody really has serious nostalgia for any Sony games the way Nintendo fans do.

I would get it just for final fantasy lol
 
I don't think anybody would buy a PlayStation mini. There's no audience for it. Nintendo has an amazing back catalogue and it greatly resonates with its fans. Sony is content to let all its franchises die. They do do a good job of trying to make new franchises from generation to generation, but nobody really has serious nostalgia for any Sony games the way Nintendo fans do.

Off the top of my head:

Final Fantasy VII
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro
Parappa
Metal Gear Solid
Tekken
Chrono Cross/some other RPG idk



I never even owned a PS1, but they could definitely make a box of twenty games (at least) that people would buy up.
 
Off the top of my head:

Final Fantasy VII
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro
Parappa
Metal Gear Solid
Tekken
Chrono Cross/some other RPG idk



I never even owned a PS1, but they could definitely make a box of twenty games (at least) that people would buy up.

WipeOut XL
Resident Evil
Ridge Racer
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Legacy of Kain / Soul Reaver
Crash Bandicoot
Crash Team Racing
Twisted Metal 2
Final Fanatasy Tactics
Einhänder
Tony Hawk Pro Skater
Tomb Raider

... The list is practically endless.
 
WipeOut XL
Resident Evil
Ridge Racer
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Legacy of Kain / Soul Reaver
Crash Bandicoot
Crash Team Racing
Twisted Metal 2
Final Fanatasy Tactics
Einhänder
Tony Hawk Pro Skater
Tomb Raider

... The list is practically endless.

I guess the PSTV/VitaTV is essentially Sony's 'PS1 Mini'. Shame those devices never got a second generation or decent marketing push.
 
“Artificial” isn’t really the right word here. It’s clearly a conscious decision on Nintendo’s part, nothing else is keeping them from doing the VC on Switch. They just don’t want it yet, or have not put the resources in to make it happen. Nothing artificial about it.
 
I don't think anybody would buy a PlayStation mini. There's no audience for it. Nintendo has an amazing back catalogue and it greatly resonates with its fans. Sony is content to let all its franchises die. They do do a good job of trying to make new franchises from generation to generation, but nobody really has serious nostalgia for any Sony games the way Nintendo fans do.

I'm not saying ps1 has a bad library. I'm saying the mass public wouldn't feel nostolgic enough to buy a tiny little PlayStation with RE2, MGS, FFVII, etc. I'm sure any of the people that would want those games (I do) would rather have them in the ps4 eco system or have backwards compatibility. Or since those are all third party games, people would probably want them on switch.

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I don't know if you heard, but there was thing called Crash: N' Sane Trilogy that sold gangbusters this year...

That was an HD Remaster. People would shell out a lot of money for remastered PS1 games, but for as-is games, I find it harder to believe. We'll see if Nintendo tries to do an N64 Classic. I do not see that going over well because the games from the PS1/N64 era look like straight ass these days, and a lot of them play pretty poorly. Outside of a handful of releases from late in the systems lifetime, they would require some serious touching up.

Hm, this is like, your opinion, dude. PS1 has an amazing library of games.

A lot of those games age like milk. PS2 is where Sony really started to shine, and SNES is where Nintendo stopped shining. The PS1/N64 era had a lot of great games for the time, but unless you remaster some of those games they are not going to be pretty.

What the hell are you on? FF VII alone being on it would sell the thing. Not to me, but there's tons of FF VII fans that would buy it. I would buy it if they had some of the other great RPGs on the system, like Wild Arms, BoF 3 and 4, and DQ VII to name a few.

FFVII is already available on PSN for PS3, PS4, and Vita--and it sold okay. Square-Enix holds the rights and is already remastering it which is going to cost them tens of millions of dollars, maybe even more when all is said and done. Why would they even bother letting Sony use it in a PS1 Mini? You also just listed 5 JRPG's, and if Sony is going to release a PS1 Mini, much like how the SNES wasn't stacked with RPG's, it's going to be more expansive when it comes to the variety of games.

We're also missing the biggest issue--PS1 games were on CD's and some even across multiple CD's, you're going to get way less bang for your buck than you get with the SNES/NES Classic. FFVII alone would eat up what, like 1-1.5GB of storage? Assuming each game used 600MB you're going to have to ship the damn things with a lot of space, and that is going to greatly inflate the cost.
 
That was an HD Remaster. People would shell out a lot of money for remastered PS1 games, but for as-is games, I find it harder to believe. We'll see if Nintendo tries to do an N64 Classic. I do not see that going over well because the games from the PS1/N64 era look like straight ass these days, and a lot of them play pretty poorly. Outside of a handful of releases from late in the systems lifetime, they would require some serious touching up.



A lot of those games age like milk. PS2 is where Sony really started to shine, and SNES is where Nintendo stopped shining. The PS1/N64 era had a lot of great games for the time, but unless you remaster some of those games they are not going to be pretty.



FFVII is already available on PSN for PS3, PS4, and Vita--and it sold okay. Square-Enix holds the rights and is already remastering it which is going to cost them tens of millions of dollars, maybe even more when all is said and done. Why would they even bother letting Sony use it in a PS1 Mini? You also just listed 5 JRPG's, and if Sony is going to release a PS1 Mini, much like how the SNES wasn't stacked with RPG's, it's going to be more expansive when it comes to the variety of games.

We're also missing the biggest issue--PS1 games were on CD's and some even across multiple CD's, you're going to get way less bang for your buck than you get with the SNES/NES Classic. FFVII alone would eat up what, like 1-1.5GB of storage alone?

It doesn't matter where PS1 games are already available. NES and SNES games were available on all of Nintendo's systems since the Wii. Between the incredible success of the NES and SNES Classics, the huge nostalgia outpouring that made Crash remastered a success, how mainstream the PS1 was and the amount of time that's passed since the PS1's heyday, there's no doubt a PS1 classic would be anything but a fucking smash hit.
 
It's probably been mentioned, but my gut feel is that the release will tie in with the launch of Nintendo's online subscription service. Whether it's part of the offer when you subscribe, or available to you traditionally via the eShop I'm not sure.
 
Nah, with a good library, I'm fairly confident a PS1 Mini would sell like crazy. People wanting those games on PS4 also wouldn't stop them from buying a Mini Console, just like people wanting VC on Switch isn't stopping NES/SNES Classic from selling gangbusters. I hope it never happens tho. I want my PS1 Classics on PS4...
Never happening, is it? :(
?

Erm...since when is that preventing Nintendo from putting up their older titles on the Switch? Sounds more like people jumping to conclusions to me. You can put up plug and play consoles and sell older titles on your main system. It's more likely that they want to integrate VC into their online subscription or that they want to rebrand them or something

As for PS1 Classics on the PS4...well...we are going to enter it's 4th year soon. Not impossible but I wouldn't hold out hope either. Still, I'd like me some Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. Either on the PS4 or a multiplatform port of it across all major platforms
 
I do not see that going over well because the games from the PS1/N64 era look like straight ass these days, and a lot of them play pretty poorly. Outside of a handful of releases from late in the systems lifetime, they would require some serious touching up.


This just isn't remotely true.

PS2 is where Sony really started to shine,

The PS1 has one of the greatest game lineups ever, so no.

and SNES is where Nintendo stopped shining

LOL. Seriously, what!?

FFVII is already available on PSN for PS3, PS4, and Vita--and it sold okay.

It sold more than "okay."

We're also missing the biggest issue--PS1 games were on CD's and some even across multiple CD's, you're going to get way less bang for your buck than you get with the SNES/NES Classic. FFVII alone would eat up what, like 1-1.5GB of storage? Assuming each game used 600MB you're going to have to ship the damn things with a lot of space, and that is going to greatly inflate the cost.

That would be a "lot" of space about 15 years ago. Not today.
 
I don't think anybody would buy a PlayStation mini. There's no audience for it. Nintendo has an amazing back catalogue and it greatly resonates with its fans. Sony is content to let all its franchises die. They do do a good job of trying to make new franchises from generation to generation, but nobody really has serious nostalgia for any Sony games the way Nintendo fans do.

If Sony licensed a bunch of the most popular third party PS1 games, it would be huge, particularly in Europe.
 
If Sony licensed a bunch of the most popular third party PS1 games, it would be huge, particularly in Europe.
Yeah, I didn't quite get his point. The PS1 is one of the most successful systems of all time with a lot of hit games. It'd be bizarre if there wasn't a lot of nostalgia for it, especially with the 80's and 90's nostalgia going around
 
Off the top of my head:

Final Fantasy VII
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro
Parappa
Metal Gear Solid
Tekken
Chrono Cross/some other RPG idk



I never even owned a PS1, but they could definitely make a box of twenty games (at least) that people would buy up.

I think a problem with a PS1 mini is that most of the games would need to be licensed third party games. It would probably make it less profitable to Sony or even more expensive than the NES/SNES minis are.
 
Ooooookay

It's a bit harsher than I intended. PS2-era was Sony's time on top, and Nintendo has seemed to stumble a lot through the N64/GC era. Their handhelds have always been incredible, but outside of specific games here and there I haven't been wowed by their consoles since then. I meant to say SNES is where Nintendo stopped being industry leaders, as the N64 has some of my favorite games form Nintendo, but was a real mess.

This just isn't remotely true.

That PS1/N64 games look like garbage? We literally had a several hundred page thread here where someone got laughed at for implying they didn't.

The PS1 has one of the greatest game lineups ever, so no.

I don't deny that. My argument was that the games age poorly and it would be a logistical nightmare to assemble the best of the PS1 onto a system like Nintendo did with the SNES/NES Classic--where they owned a majority of the rights to the games the threw on there.

LOL. Seriously, what!?

See above.

It sold more than "okay."

I can't find any solid source for sales numbers, but I remember Sony saying it sold pretty well, but not amazingly. It was also one of the first classics released on PSN as I recall, and is still one of the most popular games ever made.

That would be a "lot" of space about 15 years ago. Not today.

The Switch still only has 32GB of storage space (expandable but if it's going to be used to store games as an all-in-on unit, it's going to be dedicated Flash Memory), and the Wii U did as well. Storage space is a restricting factor, and there is currently a NAND memory shortage going on. To fit upwards of 21 games like people are expecting, you're going to need 16-20GB or more of storage, which is like 10x what the SNES Classic needs.

If Sony licensed a bunch of the most popular third party PS1 games, it would be huge, particularly in Europe.

Also expensive.
 
The problem is that with the ps1, it started licensed music and those are a pain to license again ... so games like Tony Hawk would be almost sure to be out.

And then you have games that are receiving remakes so chances are they would not want them to be experienced in this version like FF7 or Crash games.

So it would probably be more like medievil and jumping flash and less the classics everyone wants
 
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