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Do You Want The Xbox Controller Go Through A Significant Change?

Seep said:
Better D-Pad.
Better Face buttons.
Better Bumpers.
Built-in Battery.
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Good list. I'll add two:

Use Bluetooth and not some lame proprietary RF (won't happen but I can dream)

Please make it communicate via cord when cord is attached
 
enzo_gt said:
There's nothing wrong with preference, but the 360 controllers ergonomics are clearly superior. surly exemplified why earlier in this thread with his post. The way the 360 controller is designed, your hand placement makes your hands gravitate towards the most used elements of the controller, with the least strain on your thumbs (as the DS4 requires a larger angle of separation between your thumb and index finger). This all seems like micro-analysis, but it all matters, and the minute differences are exactly what make a controller's ergonomics what they are.
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I do think that the ergonomics will bring some different results between a PS3 and a Xbox 360 controller because they are not identical when it comes to the grip/how you hold it. The PS3 controller's handles goes a bit more out to the side i think, which positions your hands a bit differently compared to when your holding a Xbox 360 controller. Personally i feel no strain on my thumbs at all, even after hours of usage, so it seems to be designed ergonomically correct for my hands.

There is probably some general baseline for ergonomics, but as someone else mentioned earlier, the ergonomic testing will depend on who that does the tests. And since not everyone are identical, it is hard to find an exact solution that is fits everyone just the same. There are for example mattresses who are said to be better ergonimical designed than others, but i'm sure that not everyone will prefer these mattresses. But in the end, what matters the most is what people prefer to use :)


upJTboogie said:
That's just how these threads go sadly.
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I dont mind that people comment on it, it was just the "hilarous" part that made me ask, wondering why it was hilarious that someone had another opinion (unless i missed some specific posts that it was referring to who said something else than just "i prefer asymmetrical/symmetrical analog sticks) :)


SPE said:
Complaints about the d-pad are not subjective. They are objective. The d-pad is fundamentally flawed. It is hard to impossible to get consistent, accurate 8-way directions from it. It has one job to do, and it doesn't do it.

The hard, lumpy face buttons are also objectively a bad design. They might not bother you, but that doesn't mean their design is good.

The rest of the stuff is fair enough. Personal preference and personal ergonomics.
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Sure, i think that it is possible to objectivly improve those things indeed, but i was just thinking about what people prefer to use. If someone say that they prefer the Xbox 360 face buttons instead, then that is the correct thing for them :)


see5harp said:
Your opinion is vastly different than the people I'm talking about. I'm able to use both PS3 and 360 controllers with little problem. I do prefer specific things like the buttons on PS3 and the analog sticks and triggers on the 360 but either way would not be an issue for me.
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I understand :) I just wanted to ask you since i didnt see why it was hilarious that someone prefered one thing over the other. But i didnt read every post here, so maybe i missed some posts that you were referring to when you wrote that it was hilarious.


All this talk about the next Xbox controller makes me pretty curious to see how it will look like :)
 
Nope it is the perfect fitting controller I've ever used. I don't know how Microsoft did it.

The only thing that will change is maybe the addition of different buttons and the use of a touch pad or something in the middle.
 
mrgone said:
I'd love this. Few indie PC devs think to provide any kind of dead zone adjustment (or dead zones at all) for analog gamepad controls, so there's usually drift with even slightly used 360 pads. I had to toss an otherwise functional wireless pad last year because there was too much drift on the left stick for even the 360's tolerance. I like the feel of the 360 sticks better than the looser ones on Sony's controllers, but at least those things can keep a center :P
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It's a bitch for shooters. That dead zone can make all the difference! Remember how bad N64 controllers were? MY GOD.
 
If they change the Dpad the 360 controller will be the best mother fucking controller to have ever graced this Earth. Swear to god.
 
1) fix dpad obviously
2) make it so that it's actually possible to turn it off without resorting to removing the entire battery pack on PC -- the guide button, it does nothing
 
Trackball on the right stick as an option. If not, oh well, probably not getting one anyway. If anything I'll be getting the PS4, but for now I'm perfectly fine with the Wii U's gloriously Dpad/Stick agnostic controller and PC's awesome M/KB setup.

Oh and fix the Dpad, that is the single worst Dpad I've ever used.
 
Yes. Replace the dpad completely, make the face buttons flat, replace the buffers with DS3 style collar buttons. I really don't like the asymmetrical sticks either. Non proprietary charging port and wireless tech would be nice as well but I'm dreaming now.
 
I want the shoulder buttons to feel softer, and less clicky, like the dual shock.

I also want the d-pad to be much more like the d-pad on the Vita.

If those two things happen I'd be very happy.
 
To be honest, it's a brilliant controller as is, but here are the things I'd change.

- Better rumble
- Built in lithium battery with excellent battery life
- Less screechy triggers
- Wider triggers
- Maybe a touch pad
- Better d-pad
 
No. The controller is almost perfect, and i don't want see the form factor being compromised for additions that don't really add to the experience. I do want dedicated controls for kinect, but specifically tailored for it, not this split apart controller we are hearing about.

A better dpad, stronger rumble, and there's not even much left to be improved really.
 
Like dualshock the 360 controller needs longer grips. My pinkies hurt because they are not supported well enough. Everything else is said here a thousand times.
 
Just get Sega to make the d-pad for you again like they did for the Xbox S controller. Or just look at what everyone generally considers to be a great d-pad and rip it off. Except the PS3 one, please don't do that.

Tighten up the resistance for the joysticks, and make sure that there's no more ghosting and that it properly returns to center. Make the bumper buttons more sturdy like the L/R buttons on the Wii U Pro controller, or the PS3. DEFINITELY keep the color ABXY buttons. I'd hate to see those go, as I like colorful controllers! But make them better buttons too, less mushy.

Make the triggers have a click at the end like the Gamecube controller. And..ahh..I think that's about it. I'd LIKE the battery pack to stay in place as I like using rechargeable batteries, but a lot of people seem to want it to be an internal one and that'd be fine as long as you can open it up and replace it.
 
the same as 360 just a better dpad. Also the battery should be those flat lithium and still removable. maybe black and white buttons return?
 
This bad boy is almost perfect.
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Don't fuck it up Microsoft.
 
No, it's pretty much perfect besides the d-pad. Maybe make the bumpers wider? Even then I wouldn't mess with it, just because I wouldn't want to fuck anything up. Just fix the d-pad!
 
I think it needs a major redesign to be honest. to me, it feels very uncomfortable. Way too bulky.

At least they should include an akku, and replace that god awful d-pad. doing something against the cheap plastic feel would also be appreciated.
 
d pad, better face buttons (flatten out), battery back sink in more (or li-ion, but I love swappable AA), shoulder buttons more usable with triggers, maybe different spacing. I always appreciate more durable, better dead zone handling sticks.

all in all it is the best controller every, easily. tweaks better than an ergo redo.
 
Change it so that it uses the same HID/XID as the PS4. That way, controllers compatible with both consoles (like steering wheels) will be more common. Who hasn't looked at a Logitech G25 and though "damn, if only I could use THIS on my 360"...
 
better d-pad, wider triggers, much better bumpers (LB/RB), built in battery and have to use AA batteries and the analog to have A LITTLE less resistance than it currently does
 
My biggest problem with the controller is the sticks break down after a few months. They fail to reset to neutral (aka stick drift) and the tension becomes screwed up.
 
guitarhero said:
Change it so that it uses the same HID/XID as the PS4. That way, controllers compatible with both consoles (like steering wheels) will be more common. Who hasn't looked at a Logitech G25 and though "damn, if only I could use THIS on my 360"...
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Agreed... I have a really nice Fanatec wheel and even that isn't supported on the 360. :/ The Forza guys lost a sale because of it.
 
Zukuu said:
I think it needs a major redesign to be honest. to me, it feels very uncomfortable. Way too bulky.

At least they should include an akku, and replace that god awful d-pad. doing something against the cheap plastic feel would also be appreciated.
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Hell no, The thing is perfect, if anything it is too small compared to the controller S. Not everyone has tiny hands to use the ds3.
 
Jadedx said:
Hell no, The thing is perfect, if anything it is too small compared to the controller S. Not everyone has tiny hands to use the ds3.
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I have quite large hands, mind you. The controller still feels off. Less bulkier doesn't mean smaller.
 
Zukuu said:
I think it needs a major redesign to be honest. to me, it feels very uncomfortable. Way too bulky.
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too bulky? hell no. it's almost perfect the way it is especially in terms of size. build quality could do with an improvement though, i find that some buttons/bumpers stop working after a while, gone through a few controllers already.

the dualshock hurts my hand when i hold it with how small/unbulky it is/feels (and i'm asian!). not to mention the analog stick side by side placement is just strange.
 
- A D-Pad that doesn't suck ass.
- Softer, flatter face buttons. The current ones end up creating pain to my old thumb, while those on Nintendo or Sony controllers don't.
- Softer stick clicking.
 
As a PC user, please let me rebind the "home" button. Although if MS wanted that they would have updated the current drivers years ago.

Realistically, the D-pad
 
Use Xbox 360 controller and add the following 3 things:

1) A little better build quality

2) Better D-Pad (use SNES/genesis one if able)

3) Wii U Pro's Battery Life

You give me a 360 controller that's is built like a rock, has a nice d-pad and has 80 hour battery life (and ideally no battery pack) that will be the perfect controller IMO.

Oh and optionally make the buttons flat. I heard some people have issues with the bubble-like buttons. Personally I don't notice it either way, so I'd be okay with it either way.
 
Same form factor with added functionality. Like touch mechanism and gyroscope.

There are still things that the controller can do to make things more convenient. For example, typing, motion sensing and battery life. Of course, they can add some crazy 4D stuffs to it like "Feel" technology through electrostatic fields, where you can feel the things you touch on screen:

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http://gigaom.com/2012/03/07/whoa-ipad-3-might-let-you-feel-on-screen-objects/

Maybe save for Nintendo 4DS.
 
Anybody think the new 360 controller should have a new button or two? The PS4 has Share and Options buttons. I don't know about anybody else, but the fact that the PS4 has new buttons with their own functions is a fairly significant innovation that I think deserves some attention.
 
Fix the D-pad, make the bumpers wider and more comfortable to press, ditch the need for AA batteries and you have a winner.
 
I thought the xbox 360 controller was perfect untill I put a wii u pro controller in my hand. I really hope the next 360 controller keeps its layout but it takes the shape of the wii u pro pad. Its the perfect size and shape. When I use the 360 controller now I feep that my hands are too close together. I get a cramping feeling.
 
The only redeeming quality about the 360 controller is the shape.

Everything else is terrible. The d-pad, buttons, bumpers, triggers, and stick placement. The sticks are too tight as well.

So, yeah, some major changes would be nice.
 
Satchel said:
Not sure why people want internal batteries.

so inconvenient.
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Because it can have a flat back, ive moved over to wired pads because that battery pack makes for cramped hands, its badly designed. It like they designed the fuck out of the pad then thought fuck we have this battery thing, ahhh just slap it on the back that will do.
 
No, it is perfect the way it is as far as layout and feel. DO NOT TOUCH IT.

With that said the only thing I would change is the Dpad.
 
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