Lana Del Rey
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Personally I would like it in the US
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Documents that seem to prove 5 million dollars in bribes to back Qatar's WC bid
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I think the main problem is thinking you have to rebuild old stadiums for such an event and spend billions of dollars just because. Like you said, many countries have stadiums big enough and capable or hosting a big tournament, sadly it's become a contest of who can spend more even when they don't need to.
Ken Masters
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Why can't they strip them of the World Cup bid in light of all this? I'm sure there would be MANY cities lined up and ready to host it
Do you really think USA or especially England wouldn't bribe? Lol
I think the US and England would have more tact then to do it via a crapload of emails and other in your face evidence lol
Manaus is in the Amazon, but it's also a city, not some one horse jungle village. It'll be used.
The stadiums of Brazil might not survive, South Korea and Japan might not be able to organize one without each other, and the stadiums of South Africa have been downsized since the World Cup. If you want to organize the World Cup without forcing initial investments, they drop off the list. Looking up the stadiums, even France drops off the list. And considering they'll raise up to 40 teams, they'll need more stadiums. If you want to do this without building extra stadiums or heavy investments, you'll be forcing everyone to use max 8 countries. Another approach might be mimicking Euro 2020. A lot of countries, but one stadion in every country.
Salt Lake City doesn't exactly scream subtility considering they were caught.
Why? What law are they breaking? In essence FIFA is a supersized version of Formula 1 or the WWE. A single organization governing a sport. They determine the rules of the sport, how to play it, ...
Why would it be weird?
They've already hosted a very successful World Cup one time before... and they've got all the infrastructure in place to easily host another within very short notice (nevermind 8 years).
Mattlikewhoa
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When the World Cup was in the US, it was great! I remember my soccer team made the trip down to catch a few games. It was great then, and it would be MUCH better now with the improved infrastructure, and added fans...
Make it happen again FIFA!!! I need to go and see some games!
Make it happen again FIFA!!! I need to go and see some games!
phisheep
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They broke their own rules, that's what.
Plus probably any number of tax laws all round the world, ditto bribery.
frankie_baby
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England deserve it, we invented the game for fucks sake but only hosted it once and its our journalists that have been exposing fifa for the bunch of corrupt con men they are
timetokill
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It would probably break the attendance record for the World Cup, that the US already holds.
Bribery laws mainly apply to public institutions. And breaking your own rules isn't exactly a judicial crime.
Which tax laws? Part of the FIFA worldcup bid has to be that FIFA hasn't to pay any taxes. And countries are willing to bend over. Every country.
England and USA had a deal for 2018. Everyone plays dirty.
frankie_baby
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England 2018 and USA 2022 would've made the most sense anyway though
phisheep
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Maybe FIFA doesn't. But individuals making vast quantities of undeclared income for "services rendered"?
It worked for Al Capone.
ConfusingJazz
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No, they don't need to do anything in those stadiums besides paint the lines. Soccer games are played in those stadiums all the damn time. We could literally hold the 2014 World Cup, let alone 2022.
Actually maybe not, a large number of the new stadiums that have been built since the last WC(aside from Jerry World and the new meadowlands stadium) have smaller capacity than the old stadiums they replaced because of luxury boxes and suites, and the huge college venues like the rose bowl or the stanford stadium would not be acceptable venues for a modern world cup.
It would certainly still be a very financially lucrative event though, that's for sure.
Squirrel Killer
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Average capacity of venues for US's 2022 bid: 77,519
Average capacity of venues for Brazil 2014 WC: 53,958
Average capacity of venues for Russia 2018 WC: 50,246
Proposed average capacity of venues for Qatar 2002 WC: 50,486
Assuming sellouts and going by the average, the hypothetical US 2022 WC would total ~4.9 million in attendance verses the 3.5 million US 1994 drew. (Big assumption, I know, but a ballpark figure.)
I didn't account for the fact that there are more teams and more games now than there were in 1994.
Should definitely break the record then.
Ninja Scooter
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What are the US venues? I was actually trying to figure it out without looking it up and I figured all of the big NFL stadiums are in (Dallas, Detroit, NY/NJ, Seattle, the new SF stadium, Indy?, FedEx Field, Miami) but were they planning on using the Rose Bowl again? What about StubHub Field in Carson? That one only seats 30K but is that pretty much out of Fifa's range for the World Cup?
activatethesmile
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Boss★Moogle;114240385 said:
Has *anybody* ever obtained the world cup completely legitimately?
Honest question, just curious.
bonesmccoy
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I'm sure there's always been bribes and graft at work.
However I think everyone should draw the line at the piles of bodies. The most conservative estimate is hundreds dead - and it's 2014! The WC in Qatar doesnt even start for another 8 years.
smokeandmirrors
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yeah rose bowl and colosseum were two of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_2022_FIFA_World_Cup_bid#Candidate_venues
not a bad list to be honest
Ninja Scooter
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Interesting list. Surprised Soldier Field and Levi's stadium were left off.
They had a 2009 cut. Levi's would make it this time around imo. Amazing field
smokeandmirrors
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i wonder if they'll just copy and paste the 2022 bid for 2026 if qatar happens
although 2026 would be awesome as it's the 250th anniversary of American independence.
although 2026 would be awesome as it's the 250th anniversary of American independence.
You're assuming those individuals are breaking their country's laws. And that the Al Capone rule would work outside of the US.
Squirrel Killer
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Assuming sellouts and going by the average, a hypothetical US 2022 WC that only plays 52 games (as in US 1994) would total ~4.0 million in attendance verses the 3.5 million US 1994 drew. (Big assumption, I know, but a ballpark figure.)
I know I've said time and time again that the US could host the World Cup at the drop of a hat (and so could many countries,) but I kind of hope the US bows out for several more cycles. Growing up, I had the 1980 Winter Olympics, the 1984 Summer Olympics, the 1994 World Cup, the 1996 Summer Olympics, and the 2002 Winter Olympics. It's time to let the rest of the world in on the fun
and debt.
My guess is there will be no re-vote, Qatar hosts a summer World Cup, and it goes off reasonably well. Hopefully they can reduce the number of stadiums to 8 if for no other reason than to minimize construction deaths.
smokeandmirrors
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Well 1994 happened and I was 2. I just want to see it happen in my life time so i can go. I don't care about the olympics here. Just give me a world cup here.
And 2026? Imagine having Team USA play on July 4th in the US on the 250th anniversary of the declaration of independence. That would be amazing.
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