unrestricted calories for the low carb group, severely restricted calories for the low fat group. low carb was superior for most of the duration, although adherence was relatively low. participants in the low carb arm were instructed to increase carbs steadily, although i'm not sure why, while still being on an unrestricted calorie diet. Look at the A-Z study by Stanford. Low carb outperformed low fat and the other diets at one year, especially in those with insulin resistance where the difference was pretty profound. I have yet to see a study in which low carb compared unfavorably to low fat. I've seen numerous studies in which low carb diets were significantly more effect than low fat diets.
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unrestricted calories for the low carb group, severely restricted calories for the low fat group. low carb was superior for most of the duration, although adherence was relatively low. participants in the low carb arm were instructed to increase carbs steadily, although i'm not sure why, while still being on an unrestricted calorie diet. Look at the A-Z study by Stanford. Low carb outperformed low fat and the other diets at one year, especially in those with insulin resistance where the difference was pretty profound. I have yet to see a study in which low carb compared unfavorably to low fat. I've seen numerous studies in which low carb diets were significantly more effect than low fat diets.
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A quick Google search reveals this, for one: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/#axzz1gSPYOx2Q
Make sure to click the links in the article.
So low fat still works is what you're saying.
neutralgamer02
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Instead of short pointless comments, why don't you show evidence of the what you are trying to say. I have been nice this entire time, but constantly insulted with "ignorant", "this guy". If you are so much more knowledgeable on nutrition than me then prove it with facts and not short worthless comments.
List me some bad foods which if eaten ONCE could be harmful for your health. Come on, list them.
This is what I am arguing also. They have shown no evidence yet to prove their point. They just keep saying studies say this and that. Well, then show these studies since it is so obvious.
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Really? That's how you're going to define 'bad'?
What? I guess that depends on how you define 'works'.
The study states that as far as weight loss is concerned, they are the same long-term. However, I was pointing out that as far as cardiovascular health is concerned, the study shows that low-carb does a better job than low-fat.
And I was just responding to you posting an article stating that low-carb wasn't any better than low fat.
It compares unfavorably to low carb. Any diet can work on an individual level.
NobleXenon
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Heck, wasn't there a recent study saying that low-carbing for just two days out of the week was better for weight-loss and health than calorie restriction for a full week?
Exercising makes most people hungrier.
Exercising makes most people hungrier.
Hari Seldon
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It seems like our economy benefits from us being fatasses. If we worked no more than 40 hour weeks we would all have time for working out and shopping to eat right. But if you want a career and a family you have to sacrifice, and that sacrifice is gym time and/or healthy food shopping.
neutralgamer02
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Yes, that is how I defined bad. There is no food that you can't eat that would harm your health unless it is poison. That was the point I was making which is why you can't list any. You can eat whatever you want in the right moderation and it won't harm your health.
Also, I am waiting for some studies on low carb diets being superior to low fat diets.
I'll take the sugar diet please.
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Okay. You're aware that there are plenty of 'poisons' that have no immediately apparent effects, right?
It's not...over time...for fat loss...
Maybe I am explaining myself unclearly, but the study clearly states that the low-carb dieters had overall higher HDL and lower triglycerides does it not?
neutralgamer02
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Name some. I want to know them.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
It feels like the American work force has developed a culture of working way too much. There's the hesitancy to hire people due to costs, the ease of making people work overtime for no compensation, and a willingness on the part of workers to suck it up without saying anything, because who are you to put yourself in that position when everyone else is working their asses off?
It sucks.
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It's not...over time...for fat loss...
Except that your evidence is of an uncontrolled diet that allows the low-carb camp to up their carb intake as time goes by for an unexplained reason.
Seriously, now? How about you do a search for "slow acting poison".
He's now defining "better" as strictly relating to loss of adipose tissue, so other health benefits apparently don't matter to him.
neutralgamer02
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Well, you brought it up so I expected you to list some. I assumed you knew what some were and wouldn't have to search it. I did a quick search and couldn't really find any so could you just list some from the top of your head? Seriously, I am curious what you mean.
What is this Fear Factor?
What's appalling is the resource drain fat people put on the planet and healthcare system with their appetites.
And fatty liver is implicated as the big player in metabolic syndrome. Low carb diets are the best for people with metabolic syndrome.
FallingEdge
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I lost fat on a low carb/paelo style diet and a traditional moderate carb/fat high protein diet that focus on calories in/out. Both work, just have to find the one that you are comfortable with. There are multiple ways to lose fat and finding a way that works for you is what really matters.
Did you start out on the low carb diet and then switch to a more traditional diet? It would make sense that a traditional diet would be easier to follow after starting out and losing weight on a low carb diet.
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It's not getting better until they start teaching exercise techniques, nutrition and food preparation in the schools. But not only are they not doing this, they're giving kids pizza and fries for lunch everyday.
The core problem is that being overweight is normalized, and unhealthy food is cheap, delicious and convenient. What incentive is there for people to change? It's easy for individuals to wave away the health issues because they come later down the road. Things will only get worse in the near future.
The core problem is that being overweight is normalized, and unhealthy food is cheap, delicious and convenient. What incentive is there for people to change? It's easy for individuals to wave away the health issues because they come later down the road. Things will only get worse in the near future.
neutralgamer02
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Ricin is a "bad" food that people normally eat that could kill you slowing over time?
I have heard of Ricin and that stuff is deadly and can kill you from just inhaling it. Not really the example I was looking for.
Anyway, I am going to drop it since it really has no bearing on this discussion and was a stupid point that the poster brought up.
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Is that... is that Macgyver?
Or is that Lex Luger? Either way Id be surprised.
TheLastCandle
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If it were Lex Luger the last pic would be of him body slamming that car, not unlike how he did it to Yokozuna.
neutralgamer02
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It does seem that there are some benefits to low carb diet over low fat. I still don't think those benefits are so significant that a person with a low fat diet should switch to a low carb diet. Also, these two studies test the benefits of diets for overweight individuals losing weight, not the benefits of the diets that normal healthy people eat in just maintaining their weight. Anyway, thanks for the studies.
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Really, dude? So now it has to be both a normally consumed food and a poison? I don't think you'll find much there outside of mercury content in fish or arsenic content in certain foods.
neutralgamer02
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Did you not understand the point I was trying to make in my original posts? I said no food is bad for you if you eat it once unless it is a poison. That is true. That is why you can't find anything and you are saying, "Really, dude." You were wrong. Get over it, I don't care anymore anyway.
Thats Richard Dean Anderson, so yes, Macgyver.
Brazil Nuts.
Okay then I will dump a series of links based on some quick research i did a few months ago on low-carb diets, feel free to read them and make your own judgements. They are all from the same medical news conglomerate:
Low Carbohydrate Diet May Reverse Kidney Damage In Diabetes
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/222845.php
Prostate Tumor Growth May Be Slowed By Carbohydrate Restriction
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/151456.php
AMD Progression May Be Slowed By Reducing Intake Of Refined Carbohydrates
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/84990.php
Reduced calorie and carbohydrate diet slows progression of Alzheimer's disease in mouse model
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/18850.php
More Protein And Less Refined Carbohydrate Is Best Way To Keep The Weight Off, Large Study
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/209291.php
Cutting Carbohydrates May Help Stunt The Growth Of Prostate Tumors
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/88772.php
Foods Rich In Protein, Dairy Products Help Dieters Preserve Muscle And Lose Belly Fat
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/233531.php
Low-Carb, Higher-Fat Diets Add No Arterial Health Risks To Obese People Seeking To Lose Weight
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/227042.php
Low-Carbohydrate, High-Protein Diets May Reduce Both Tumor Growth Rates And Cancer Risk
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/228497.php
Low-Carb Diet May Lead To Similar Benefits As Weight Loss Medication Combined With A Low-Fat Diet
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/178079.php
More Excess Liver Fat Burned By Low-Carbohydrate Diet Than Low-Calorie Diet, UT Southwestern Study Finds
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/136031.php
Low-Carb Diets Combat Metabolic Syndrome
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/77592.php
Low-Carb Dieters Eat More Vegetables
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/53685.php
A High-Protein Diet Can Be Good For The Heart, From Harvard Medical School
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/59423.php
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What does eating something once have to do with anything? What point are you trying to make? I think you need to look up the definition of poison, because the effects of plenty of poisons do not become apparent until a sufficient amount is built up in the body. This often occurs over a long period of time.
Sure, a bit of alcohol once won't cause most people any substantial damage. Prolonged consumption however, will.
Bay Maximus
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I don't think so. It's becoming more accepted by the day it would seem.
If fat people truly wanted to lose weight....they would.
And I'm no doctor, so take this with a grain of salt. But due to my individual research, if fat people started burning more calories then they took in, I think they would lose weight. I would sell this information in a book but fat people would be too lazy to go buy it.
If fat people truly wanted to lose weight....they would.
And I'm no doctor, so take this with a grain of salt. But due to my individual research, if fat people started burning more calories then they took in, I think they would lose weight. I would sell this information in a book but fat people would be too lazy to go buy it.
neutralgamer02
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Thanks, I will check them out, but I am not sure if it will convince me to change my diet.
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This is the problem. You share the widely accepted perception that obesity stems from laziness and lack of exercise. This isn't true.
GameplayWhore
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Yeesh, why are you guys so intent on helping the mainstream lose weight?
When I was an undergrad, most of the local nerd club was obese. One possible conjecture is that obese people were made fun of, which drove them to the more nerdly interests. As the mainstream has gotten fatter and fatter, this organization has gotten slimmer and slimmer. Now, this nerd group is very mostly normal weight, and some of them are ohfuckgod hot. I could attribute this to obesity no longer being a social stigma.
Obviously, we now need to convince the mainstream world to keep sitting and eating and then start making fun of children who like running and climbing and such.
When I was an undergrad, most of the local nerd club was obese. One possible conjecture is that obese people were made fun of, which drove them to the more nerdly interests. As the mainstream has gotten fatter and fatter, this organization has gotten slimmer and slimmer. Now, this nerd group is very mostly normal weight, and some of them are ohfuckgod hot. I could attribute this to obesity no longer being a social stigma.
Obviously, we now need to convince the mainstream world to keep sitting and eating and then start making fun of children who like running and climbing and such.
Bay Maximus
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I just came from the gym a couple of hours ago. There were muscular people, thin people, men, women, tall people, short people, black, white all working out together in harmony. It was fucking beautiful. Fat people were nowhere to be found. My feelings were hurt.
But it's all good anyway. Because obesity doesn't stem from lack of exercise, I'm sure they'll magically shed a few pounds between Whoppers.
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All you're saying is that thin and active people are more likely to be active. No shit.
You'll also find plenty of fat people busting their ass in the gym come January. You can also find any number of skinny people who are the definition of lazy.
None of this has anything to do with the causes of obesity.
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